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Post by Tony on Dec 12, 2014 20:54:24 GMT -5
I’m 95% sure this series is over after this year . Brown has said he will answer all questions and have plenty to say about 9:30 tomorrow night. You know he is going to blast Siena the TUC and the series how unfair it is etc etc., Personally I’m tired of hearing play the game at Sefcu( ahem no) or take the game out of Siena’s season ticket package and sell tickets—and what split the ticket sales with UA? I don’t think so… since about 7,000 of the 10,000 there tomorrow will be Siena fans- Siena will never agree to a 50/50 split nor should they. If Albany feels they have outgrown the obvious benefits this game provides them, more media attention, game 5 min from their campus etc etc, then UA should just walk away from the game. Siena will be just fine. And while Siena makes money off this game, so does UA- probably their best “home” payday of the year- let them go on road for guarantee game if they feel that’s better for their program, I don’t care, UA should do what they think is best for their program. But UA fans understand this, Siena isn’t going to Sefcu, Siena isn’t splitting the gate or any other silly scheme- can the contract be tweaked a bit, I’m sure, but there isn’t going to be wholesale changes to contract. If UA wants to walk away let them, let Benson take the heat.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 12, 2014 21:20:58 GMT -5
I think brown sees the writing on the wall and expects to lose this game from here on out. Better to quit while he still can.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 12, 2014 21:51:20 GMT -5
I’m 95% sure this series is over after this year . Brown has said he will answer all questions and have plenty to say about 9:30 tomorrow night. You know he is going to blast Siena the TUC and the series how unfair it is etc etc., Personally I’m tired of hearing play the game at Sefcu( ahem no) or take the game out of Siena’s season ticket package and sell tickets—and what split the ticket sales with UA? I don’t think so… since about 7,000 of the 10,000 there tomorrow will be Siena fans- Siena will never agree to a 50/50 split nor should they. If Albany feels they have outgrown the obvious benefits this game provides them, more media attention, game 5 min from their campus etc etc, then UA should just walk away from the game. Siena will be just fine. And while Siena makes money off this game, so does UA- probably their best “home” payday of the year- let them go on road for guarantee game if they feel that’s better for their program, I don’t care, UA should do what they think is best for their program. But UA fans understand this, Siena isn’t going to Sefcu, Siena isn’t splitting the gate or any other silly scheme- can the contract be tweaked a bit, I’m sure, but there isn’t going to be wholesale changes to contract. Is UA wants to walk away let them, let Benson take the heat. I hope you're right, but what makes you so sure siena won't cave to the demands?
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Post by Tony on Dec 12, 2014 21:59:10 GMT -5
Easy—what’s in it for Sena to cave? Not much, like UA Siena will do what’s in their best interest. Giving UA 3,00 tickets Siena doesn’t make a windfall off this game, so that part is off table. No way is Siena going to play 5 minutes from their campus and freeze out 99% of Siena fans. And no way will Siena split revenue with a team for a game on “our” home court when Siena fans comprise 70% or more of the crowd. Doesn’t make sense , no real benefit in any of those scenarios for Siena. And one thing those Franciscans can do is value the dollar. Nothing in any of those scenarios is in Siena best interest - so either benson and UA is bluffing or this series is going on hiatus.
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 12, 2014 22:03:05 GMT -5
If Siena draws between 6-7k in fans per game (paid vs actually in the stands), who should Siena cater to; the additional 3-4k for the Siena UA game only or the 6-7k regular crowd?
I vote for the hard core Siena fans and not the 3-4k who only show up for the one game.
3-4k for one game or the 6-7k for all 14 home games?
I think Siena should build the 6-7k for 14 home games vs cow towing to the extra 3-4k for one lousy game.
Penny wise vs dollar foolish!
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Post by ezrider on Dec 13, 2014 10:06:55 GMT -5
As has been stated, this is a community event & is important to the City of Albany and Albany County (owners of the TUC). I sense that negotiations between Siena & UAlbany will result in a stalemate, officials from the city & county will step in, present a 'more equitable' (cave to UAlbany demands to alternate 'home' games at the TUC; control of tickets, court logos, etc), and force the conditions down Siena's throat by threatening not to extent Siena's lease of the TUC.
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Post by Tony on Dec 13, 2014 10:18:54 GMT -5
As has been stated, this is a community event & is important to the City of Albany and Albany County (owners of the TUC). I sense that negotiations between Siena & UAlbany will result in a stalemate, officials from the city & county will step in, present a 'more equitable' (cave to UAlbany demands to alternate 'home' games at the TUC; control of tickets, court logos, etc), and force the conditions down Siena's throat by threatening not to extent Siena's lease of the TUC. Since SUNY is a state school much easier to "force" them into accepting Siena demands -- Suny is the one with the open hand begging for money from state- Suny would be the school walking away from there most lucrative home payday of the year- not Siena, Siena is the TUC's primary tenet - last thing they want to do is piss off Siena.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 13, 2014 10:19:20 GMT -5
As has been stated, this is a community event & is important to the City of Albany and Albany County (owners of the TUC). I sense that negotiations between Siena & UAlbany will result in a stalemate, officials from the city & county will step in, present a 'more equitable' (cave to UAlbany demands to alternate 'home' games at the TUC; control of tickets, court logos, etc), and force the conditions down Siena's throat by threatening not to extent Siena's lease of the TUC. If that becomes the case and I can see it happening, the ticket will come out of Siena season package. Then we can stay home and watch on TWC at no cost.
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Post by ezrider on Dec 13, 2014 10:40:58 GMT -5
As has been stated, this is a community event & is important to the City of Albany and Albany County (owners of the TUC). I sense that negotiations between Siena & UAlbany will result in a stalemate, officials from the city & county will step in, present a 'more equitable' (cave to UAlbany demands to alternate 'home' games at the TUC; control of tickets, court logos, etc), and force the conditions down Siena's throat by threatening not to extent Siena's lease of the TUC. Since SUNY is a state school much easier to "force" them into accepting Siena demands -- Suny is the one with the open hand begging for money from state- Suny would be the school walking away from there most lucrative home payday of the year- not Siena, Siena is the TUC's primary tenet - last thing they want to do is piss off Siena. 1. I'm not sure what UAlbany being a state school has to do with this issue. It is a city/county issue, not a state issue. 2. UAlbany would walk away on principal, and make up the lost revenue with a guarantee game. 3. I agree that Siena is a tenet the TUC does not want to/can't afford to lose. But I could invision them using the threat against Siena, and calling their bluff. I was only throwing a scenario out there. It could be completely senseless, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.
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Post by Tony on Dec 13, 2014 11:23:17 GMT -5
Since SUNY is a state school much easier to "force" them into accepting Siena demands -- Suny is the one with the open hand begging for money from state- Suny would be the school walking away from there most lucrative home payday of the year- not Siena, Siena is the TUC's primary tenet - last thing they want to do is piss off Siena. 1. I'm not sure what UAlbany being a state school has to do with this issue. It is a city/county issue, not a state issue. 2. UAlbany would walk away on principal, and make up the lost revenue with a guarantee game. 3. I agree that Siena is a tenet the TUC does not want to/can't afford to lose. But I could invision them using the threat against Siena, and calling their bluff. I was only throwing a scenario out there. It could be completely senseless, so I don't necessarily disagree with you. If you dont understand how politics works on the local/ state level then I can see why you wouldn't understand that. Most of the state guys were once local guys . Because SUNY gets its funding via political means - they are much more susceptible to political pressure. Not saying Siena isn't, but SUNY is much easier target for politicians. And while Albany politicians wouldn't be happy with this game going away, they have much bigger fish to fry than to try and strong arm a private Franciscan College, especially so when its much easier to make a few phone calls to high ranking state officials asking that UA re consider walking away from this game
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 13, 2014 11:47:25 GMT -5
And Tony Siena has very good political connections in this area
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Post by ezrider on Dec 13, 2014 12:30:28 GMT -5
1. I'm not sure what UAlbany being a state school has to do with this issue. It is a city/county issue, not a state issue. 2. UAlbany would walk away on principal, and make up the lost revenue with a guarantee game. 3. I agree that Siena is a tenet the TUC does not want to/can't afford to lose. But I could invision them using the threat against Siena, and calling their bluff. I was only throwing a scenario out there. It could be completely senseless, so I don't necessarily disagree with you. If you dont understand how politics works on the local/ state level then I can see why you wouldn't understand that. Most of the state guys were once local guys . Because SUNY gets its funding via political means - they are much more susceptible to political pressure. Not saying Siena isn't, but SUNY is much easier target for politicians. And while Albany politicians wouldn't be happy with this game going away, they have much bigger fish to fry than to try and strong arm a private Franciscan College, especially so when its much easier to make a few phone calls to high ranking state officials asking that UA re consider walking away from this game Actually, I understand the politics of the situation pretty well. As you stated, 'most of the state guys were once local guys'. Very few of the state guys (Senate/Assembly) have any connection this area of the state. The downstate & western tier pols (really any outside of Albany County) could care less about about the Siena/UAlbany game, certainly don't care enough to pressure UAlbany to except TERMS of a game most of them don't even know exists. I doubt there is a lot of interest from the governor's office to get involved either. There is enough 'politics' involved in funding the SUNY system, no politician is in position, or has any incentive to bring any pressure to bear on UAlbany regarding a basketball game that no one outside of the capital region cares about. So where is the political pressure on UAlbany going to come from? If you believe the Albany politicians have bigger fish to fry than to pressure Siena, then why do you think the 'state guys' give a rat's a##?
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Post by Tony on Dec 13, 2014 12:51:49 GMT -5
If you dont understand how politics works on the local/ state level then I can see why you wouldn't understand that. Most of the state guys were once local guys . Because SUNY gets its funding via political means - they are much more susceptible to political pressure. Not saying Siena isn't, but SUNY is much easier target for politicians. And while Albany politicians wouldn't be happy with this game going away, they have much bigger fish to fry than to try and strong arm a private Franciscan College, especially so when its much easier to make a few phone calls to high ranking state officials asking that UA re consider walking away from this game Actually, I understand the politics of the situation pretty well. As you stated, 'most of the state guys were once local guys'. Very few of the state guys (Senate/Assembly) have any connection this area of the state. The downstate & western tier pols (really any outside of Albany County) could care less about about the Siena/UAlbany game, certainly don't care enough to pressure UAlbany to except TERMS of a game most of them don't even know exists. I doubt there is a lot of interest from the governor's office to get involved either. There is enough 'politics' involved in funding the SUNY system, no politician is in position, or has any incentive to bring any pressure to bear on UAlbany regarding a basketball game that no one outside of the capital region cares about. So where is the political pressure on UAlbany going to come from? If you believe the Albany politicians have bigger fish to fry than to pressure Siena, then why do you think the 'state guys' give a rat's a##? I actually dont think either way-- you were the one bringing up Siena could be "pressured" I just correctly stated its much easier to pressure UA than Siena. Not only for political reasons, but the City of Albany and county legislate would be more in line with Siena's way of thinking of keeping the game downtown every year instead of every other year- so if any pressure is brought to bear- easy to see it would be SUNY getting the pressure not Siena
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 13, 2014 12:56:00 GMT -5
Shut it down
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Post by clickclack on Dec 13, 2014 13:15:12 GMT -5
BTW, any Siena fan claiming it's UAs superbowl while your school is all over twitter pimping #beatalbany and selling beat Albany t-shirts is a complete and utter imbecile...
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