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Post by OneIndian on Dec 15, 2014 20:21:43 GMT -5
BigD - here's another idea... when we play in our place there's enough capacity that all your fans can come - no shutouts. Since your gym can't accommodate that for us I think at least 25% of the tix (if not 50%) should be carved out for Siena fans. Your season holders can keep their sites, we'll take the ends, etc. Seriously what are their season tix numbers, is it over 250? Again, totally ridiculous to close out 6-7k who want to see the game.
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Post by knicksaint on Dec 15, 2014 23:57:52 GMT -5
Here is my proposed solution, assuming the two schools want to continue the series:
1. Calculate the number of season tickets each school sold, either for the previous season or as of a fixed date, perhaps September 15, for the upcoming season. 2. Divide each school's total by the combined total of both schools. 3. Each school gets that number of percentage of the seats in the10 lower bowl center sections (103-107 and 118-122). 4. Working on one side at a time and starting with the absolute center section (e.g., 120), move half of the displaced Siena STH to 119 and the other half to 121. 5. The same number of Siena STH as were displaced in 120 would be displaced by Albany STH in 119 and 121.They, along with the Siena STH displaced by what was done in 120, would move to either 118 (from 119) or to 122 (from 121). 6. The Dispaced Siena STH from 118 and 122 could go to 117 or 123 or move to the best seats available upstairs. 7. The same procedure would be followed on the other side of the TUC. 8. Non-STH from either school could buy the remaining tickets. They could identify which school they root for when buying the tickets and the proceeds of those sales could go to whichever school is designated by the purchaser. If no designation, Siena would get the revenue. 9. Anyone displaced in year 1 would be assured of not being displaced the following year.
Albany gets better seats, and their revenue is still determined by what they sell. Siena keeps the rest. No one is displaced more than one section and no one can be displaced more often than every second year and based on my guess of Albany's STH number, probably only every third year at most.
The questions remain: do the schools still want to play the game, and do the fans still want the game to be played?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 6:10:04 GMT -5
Easy fix - Brown wants to play us at Sefcu. New contract - next year we go to Sefcu for a closed scrimmage. Following year back to the TUC. Rinse, repeat... Who the hell does he think he is dictating conditions to us?
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Post by Tony on Dec 16, 2014 7:04:06 GMT -5
Just dump the game
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Post by gorvy on Dec 16, 2014 7:10:30 GMT -5
Here is my proposed solution, assuming the two schools want to continue the series: 1. Calculate the number of season tickets each school sold, either for the previous season or as of a fixed date, perhaps September 15, for the upcoming season. 2. Divide each school's total by the combined total of both schools. 3. Each school gets that number of percentage of the seats in the10 lower bowl center sections (103-107 and 118-122). 4. Working on one side at a time and starting with the absolute center section (e.g., 120), move half of the displaced Siena STH to 119 and the other half to 121. 5. The same number of Siena STH as were displaced in 120 would be displaced by Albany STH in 119 and 121.They, along with the Siena STH displaced by what was done in 120, would move to either 118 (from 119) or to 122 (from 121). 6. The Dispaced Siena STH from 118 and 122 could go to 117 or 123 or move to the best seats available upstairs. 7. The same procedure would be followed on the other side of the TUC. 8. Non-STH from either school could buy the remaining tickets. They could identify which school they root for when buying the tickets and the proceeds of those sales could go to whichever school is designated by the purchaser. If no designation, Siena would get the revenue. 9. Anyone displaced in year 1 would be assured of not being displaced the following year. Albany gets better seats, and their revenue is still determined by what they sell. Siena keeps the rest. No one is displaced more than one section and no one can be displaced more often than every second year and based on my guess of Albany's STH number, probably only every third year at most. The questions remain: do the schools still want to play the game, and do the fans still want the game to be played? This is going to alienate too many season ticket holders for one game. The whole point of a season ticket is the same seat for every game. What are they going to do, print two cards for every holder? I think the casual fan wants the game to be played, the season ticket holder couldn't care less based on the people around me. It also ignores the fact that it would still count as a home game for Siena every season. Just walk away, and see what happens. We existed just fine before UAlbany was around.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 16, 2014 7:22:48 GMT -5
Easy fix - Brown wants to play us at Sefcu. New contract - next year we go to Sefcu for a closed scrimmage. Following year back to the TUC. Rinse, repeat... Who the hell does he think he is dictating conditions to us? Ummm...The winner of the last 3 of 4, or 4 of 5, whatever it is now. I already said I like the game for a number of reasons. And I like Hoopjunkie's basic proposal. We need to get better, not bitter.
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Post by glen on Dec 16, 2014 7:47:34 GMT -5
This is the problem with losing...it costs in the negotiations too. While I understand Jimmy needs time I also think we should win this 4 out of 5 times, not the other way around. Mitch sucked and so far Jimmy is sucking too. He isn't doing well. He needed to recruit really well and so far I'm not seeing it. WB looks like he has potential as does Cole but Cole should hit the ground running. I'm disappointed that none of the frosh made the "sophomore jump" (so far).
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 16, 2014 8:27:44 GMT -5
This is the problem with losing...it costs in the negotiations too. While I understand Jimmy needs time I also think we should win this 4 out of 5 times, not the other way around. Mitch sucked and so far Jimmy is sucking too. He isn't doing well. He needed to recruit really well and so far I'm not seeing it. WB looks like he has potential as does Cole but Cole should hit the ground running. I'm disappointed that none of the frosh made the "sophomore jump" (so far). a correction... Marquis Wright has he is #1 in Scoring #1 in Assists #1 in Steals #2 in Blocks. That is not a misprint #3 in FG% #2 in 3pt FG% #4 in rebounding Wright and Brandwijk are two keepers. Guys we expect at Siena. If Lavon could harness the fouls... he is a third.
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Post by sienasaint3 on Dec 16, 2014 10:46:10 GMT -5
Couldn't the game just alternate as to who is the home team? Not ideal for Siena fans at all but there would still be plenty of tickets available to purchase when the game is a home game for Albany.
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Post by glen on Dec 16, 2014 11:01:00 GMT -5
SS3 - it could but realistically it is a problem for D'Arg in that he then needs to displace a boat load of season ticket holders.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 16, 2014 11:08:19 GMT -5
Couldn't the game just alternate as to who is the home team? Not ideal for Siena fans at all but there would still be plenty of tickets available to purchase when the game is a home game for Albany. Have to offer half the tickets (2200) to offer to our 4000 season ticket holders. This concept screws me too, because I'm not technically a STH.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 11:10:29 GMT -5
Siena is the draw, Albany couldn't even sell 750 tickets. It stays as is, they don't like it, let them walk away
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Post by bigd on Dec 16, 2014 11:52:01 GMT -5
Couldn't the game just alternate as to who is the home team? Not ideal for Siena fans at all but there would still be plenty of tickets available to purchase when the game is a home game for Albany.
The idea of alternating the designated “home team” at the TUC is a much less attractive option. As many have noted, Siena STH are strongly opposed to this, and do not want to be relegated to visitors seats on Siena’s home court. A few other points:
UA has earned the right to have a home game. It’s really a question of competitive fairness. Providence agrees to play at URI every other year even though thousands are closed out when the game is played at URI. Villanova plays in St. Joe’s small gym every other year. With UA winning 4 of last 5 games, these same principals of fairness should apply to Siena-UA going forward.
Dumping the game is the easy way out. Most people/fans of both teams look forward to the game. It’s certainly better than the usual non-conference games against Ivy, Patriot, MAAC/AE type teams that fill a big chunk of the non-conference home game slate for both Siena and UA. Siena might be able to get a high profile team to come to the TUC once every few years, but that would be the exception to the usual boring non-conference opponent.
Playing at SEFCU every other year would add some juice to the rivalry. I’d bet that at least 500 Siena fans (including most of the posters on this board) would find a way to see a Siena UA game live at SEFCU. It would be an excellent college basketball atmosphere. The rest can watch on TV and look forward to a home game at the TUC the following year.
The only way a home and home (TUC/SEFCU) deal hurts Siena is they have to play a true road game against a local rival. If that’s the reason why D’Argenio doesn’t want to play at SEFCU, then there is no room for compromise and the series will likely end. The ball is in his court.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 16, 2014 12:09:11 GMT -5
Couldn't the game just alternate as to who is the home team? Not ideal for Siena fans at all but there would still be plenty of tickets available to purchase when the game is a home game for Albany.
The idea of alternating the designated “home team” at the TUC is a much less attractive option. As many have noted, Siena STH are strongly opposed to this, and do not want to be relegated to visitors seats on Siena’s home court. A few other points:
UA has earned the right to have a home game. It’s really a question of competitive fairness. Providence agrees to play at URI every other year even though thousands are closed out when the game is played at URI. Villanova plays in St. Joe’s small gym every other year. With UA winning 4 of last 5 games, these same principals of fairness should apply to Siena-UA going forward.
Dumping the game is the easy way out. Most people/fans of both teams look forward to the game. It’s certainly better than the usual non-conference games against Ivy, Patriot, MAAC/AE type teams that fill a big chunk of the non-conference home game slate for both Siena and UA. Siena might be able to get a high profile team to come to the TUC once every few years, but that would be the exception to the usual boring non-conference opponent.
Playing at SEFCU every other year would add some juice to the rivalry. I’d bet that at least 500 Siena fans (including most of the posters on this board) would find a way to see a Siena UA game live at SEFCU. It would be an excellent college basketball atmosphere. The rest can watch on TV and look forward to a home game at the TUC the following year.
The only way a home and home (TUC/SEFCU) deal hurts Siena is they have to play a true road game against a local rival. If that’s the reason why D’Argenio doesn’t want to play at SEFCU, then there is no room for compromise and the series will likely end. The ball is in his court.
Again what don't you get about the demand for tix vs the size of UAs gym? You're about 7k seats short. I say just ditch the game it's not worth all of the crying.. I stuck around for a few minutes when the cup was awarded and other then UAs band I don't think there were 100 fans left in the building.. There are plenty of decent seats available at the TU. I don't think you had 1k fans at the game. Just a ridiculous argument. Your fan base is essentially non existent. You don't draw in your own building If you could get more fans to show it would feel less like a Siena home game. Fact remains UA B'ball = Apathy.
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Post by bigd on Dec 16, 2014 12:28:57 GMT -5
Once you start talking about fan base #s, the seat differential between the two home venues, I know you have no other argument except "I don't want to". Using your logic, Providence would never play at URI (5000 people get closed out) and yet they do, every other year. Villanova has a much bigger fan base than St. Joe's, and yet they travel to St. Joe's every other year. I understand why you want to make the argument about who has more fans, but that actually has nothing to do with whether the game continues as a true home and home series. Patsos was recently quoted as saying the Siena program measures itself against UAlbany. I know the measuring has not gone well in recent years, but if the Siena program is as good as many of you think it is, Siena can meet the challenge of a game at SEFCU every other year. Nothing wrong with a level playing field.
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