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Post by MTS on Nov 26, 2014 18:18:35 GMT -5
And now stay tuned for the morning farm report ! Really that's the best we can do? A10? We!re headed for D2 with that mentality. In case you missed it. .. the last ten years or so should tell you how small time this program is 5 NCAA bids, 3 NCAA wins, 2 Round of 32 trips, CBI title, 2 NIT bids in the last 15 years. If that's small time I'll take it.
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Post by hankla on Nov 26, 2014 18:32:01 GMT -5
How probable are large crowds with the televising of almost every game?
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Post by gorvy on Nov 26, 2014 18:43:33 GMT -5
How probable are large crowds with the televising of almost every game? Start winning the damn games and the fans will come--- good thing they are on tv or they won't see what they are missing.
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Post by CellarRat on Nov 26, 2014 19:09:47 GMT -5
How probable are large crowds with the televising of almost every game? Again with this nonsense. Should we get rid of the radio broadcast as well. Are you suggesting we get rid of the video feed as well?
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 26, 2014 21:33:20 GMT -5
In case you missed it. .. the last ten years or so should tell you how small time this program is 5 NCAA bids, 3 NCAA wins, 2 Round of 32 trips, CBI title, 2 NIT bids in the last 15 years. If that's small time I'll take it. Nice fluff thanks to Fran. .. but a solid shit bread for that sandwich with Lanier and mitch. More losing than winning over that stretch with a good taste of some of the worst basketball in all of D1.
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Post by Papi on Nov 26, 2014 21:46:40 GMT -5
5 NCAA bids, 3 NCAA wins, 2 Round of 32 trips, CBI title, 2 NIT bids in the last 15 years. If that's small time I'll take it. Nice fluff thanks to Fran. .. but a solid shit bread for that sandwich with Lanier and mitch. More losing than winning over that stretch with a good taste of some of the worst basketball in all of D1. Not even close. Life in the maac. When down they advertised. Are they so arrogant that they won the CBI that they don't need to advertise?
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Post by MTS on Nov 26, 2014 22:04:15 GMT -5
5 NCAA bids, 3 NCAA wins, 2 Round of 32 trips, CBI title, 2 NIT bids in the last 15 years. If that's small time I'll take it. Nice fluff thanks to Fran. .. but a solid shit bread for that sandwich with Lanier and mitch. More losing than winning over that stretch with a good taste of some of the worst basketball in all of D1. Nope the last 10 years (not counting the first three games of this season) Siena is 173-152 (.532) - 6 winning seasons, 4 losing seasons not great but not "more losing than winning either - those are the #facts As bad as Lanier was he went to two postseasons (not factored into the 10 year period).
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 27, 2014 0:07:44 GMT -5
Strange you quoted 15 years then chose the last 10 for your numbers. Looking back if this is year 15.... the last 14 years Siena was 8 winning seasons and 6 losing. Wouldve been 7-7 if it wasnt for the little sisters of the poor CBI tournament last year. For the most part... siena is mediocre over the long haul. Some nice highs. ..some devastating lows.
I think most fans would guess more like 10-5 over 15 years... until you look at it closely. Reality sets in that these guys essentially pick coaches with a dart board and the record shows it
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 27, 2014 0:56:05 GMT -5
Strange you quoted 15 years then chose the last 10 for your numbers. Looking back if this is year 15.... the last 14 years Siena was 8 winning seasons and 6 losing. Wouldve been 7-7 if it wasnt for the little sisters of the poor CBI tournament last year. For the most part... siena is mediocre over the long haul. Some nice highs. ..some devastating lows. I think most fans would guess more like 10-5 over 15 years... until you look at it closely. Reality sets in that these guys essentially pick coaches with a dart board and the record shows it Just like the Giants in football I checked back 30 years, and 21-9 is far from mediocre. And I'm betting it'll be 24-9 in spring of 2018. 2 horrible coaches, that are responsible for 6 of those 9, and one guy that did better than most think with a NCAA bid, NIT bid, and 52-46 in 3 years, before the wheels fell off in year 4. Last 30 years, I have the coaching hire scoreboard: 5-2-1 And when Jimmy is done, I think it'll be 6-2-1. Not bad dart throwing.
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Post by Tony on Nov 27, 2014 5:20:21 GMT -5
Good post - Not sure what Saintsfans point is—over last 30 years Siena has had more success than any program in the MAAC – more NCAA wins, More NIT wins and yeah a CBI championship—get a kick out of those who brush it off--- if it was so easy to win CBI why hasn’t other MAAC team won the event? And yeah like other mids Siena has had its down years—21-9 is pretty good and agreed program is on the upswing, with no losing seasons on the horizon. Jimmy is in year two of rebuilding the program from one of the worst coaches in MAAC history. I think Saintsfan is the Grinch and with holiday season coming up in a foul mood
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 5:48:11 GMT -5
If the PR budget spent over the last couple of years didn't get MTS back on the season ticket list, why spend any more?
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Post by gorvy on Nov 27, 2014 8:31:17 GMT -5
Strange you quoted 15 years then chose the last 10 for your numbers. Looking back if this is year 15.... the last 14 years Siena was 8 winning seasons and 6 losing. Wouldve been 7-7 if it wasnt for the little sisters of the poor CBI tournament last year. For the most part... siena is mediocre over the long haul. Some nice highs. ..some devastating lows. I think most fans would guess more like 10-5 over 15 years... until you look at it closely. Reality sets in that these guys essentially pick coaches with a dart board and the record shows it Just like the Giants in football I checked back 30 years, and 21-9 is far from mediocre. And I'm betting it'll be 24-9 in spring of 2018. 2 horrible coaches, that are responsible for 6 of those 9, and one guy that did better than most think with a NCAA bid, NIT bid, and 52-46 in 3 years, before the wheels fell off in year 4. Last 30 years, I have the coaching hire scoreboard: 5-2-1 And when Jimmy is done, I think it'll be 6-2-1. Not bad dart throwing. We didn't know how good we had it with Lanier :-) In the D-1 era, Siena has never had a coach post a winning season after posting two losing seasons. If the Admin could just accept this fact and build it in to their mindset the coaching situation could improve. I got a chuckle when I watched an old Friday Night Lights episode-- Coach McGregor was fired after two GAMES!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 9:00:15 GMT -5
How probable are large crowds with the televising of almost every game? The goal should be to have every game televised. This is not 1970.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 9:05:07 GMT -5
Nice fluff thanks to Fran. .. but a solid shit bread for that sandwich with Lanier and mitch. More losing than winning over that stretch with a good taste of some of the worst basketball in all of D1. Not even close. Life in the maac. When down they advertised. Are they so arrogant that they won the CBI that they don't need to advertise? QU game will near 7k then Albany. Lets see if Jimmy can navigate those.
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Post by MTS on Nov 27, 2014 13:19:21 GMT -5
www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/siena/Here's a long term breakdown - Siena has played 38 D1 seasons before this season (spanning 10 head coaches): If you throw out the first couple as an independent from 1976-80 (which were 9-15, 13-10, 14-12, 14-14) that leaves you with 34 seasons - Siena has had 24 winning seasons and 10 losing seasons (one which produced an NCAA bid). They've made six NCAA tournaments (1989, 1999, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2010) - wins in 2002 (Play-in-game) 2008 (Vanderbilt) and 2009 (Ohio State) and five NIT tournaments (1988, 1991, 1994, 2000, 2003) with 9 NIT wins including a third place finish in the 1994 NIT. Siena has the 2014 CBI Championship title (A second rate tournament but won by mostly high-majors and elite mid-majors). Also Siena has won nine regular season championships (NAC, MAAC) Siena is 601-439 (.578) the past 34 years coming into this season. 15 seasons in the last 30 years they have won 20 wins or more. Included in that several BCS wins and other high-major conference wins (A10, MVC, Mountain West etc). Every MAAC team, most mid-major programs, a bunch of A10 teams and heck even a some BCS programs would like to do what Siena's done over the past 30+ plus seasons. The downside now (I am not a kool-aid drinker) is Siena has fired three coaches in the past 18 years and two of them were two of the worst in MAAC history. Also in the past 20 years we have had 11 winning seasons and nine losing ones because of those bad coaches (Griffin/Deane had 11 straight winning seasons from 1983-1994). Had the program made better hires Siena would absolutely be one of the top mid-major programs nationally. While I'd love a dominant coach like Fran McCaffery if Jimmy Patsos turns out to be more Mike Deane and stays 8-10 years - I wouldn't complain either (I'd like more than 1 NCAA of course). What has killed us is the horrible dips the program has taken after a successful coach has left. So I agree the Siena administration has to take a lot of heat for that.
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