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Post by jamalblack on Jan 31, 2014 10:05:46 GMT -5
can the science department combine the DNA of Hymes and White? you'd have a hell of a ball player there. you're absolutely right
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Post by musicman on Jan 31, 2014 10:49:29 GMT -5
To be honest, even Fran's championship teams would frequently play flat against supposedly inferior teams. I think it's tough to get energized to play at home against a team that you throttled on their court. Glad they were able to summon just enough sack to get this win. Gotta disagree on the fact Siena couldn't get energized for this game. Siena Siena isn't 17-5 and rolling the MAAC. Every game is and will be a struggle, if the kids don't know that, or Jimmy hasn't beaten that into them, well will be a quick exit come tourney..... Not very good match-ups last night. Hymes, did Hymes things.... i don't think it is his fault he was on Mason. that should never happen. And if we have to do offense for defense for him, so what?? no one else has shown they can score consistently like him (outside of poole), so especially in games like last night, he needs to be out there. same for Brett.... this roster is flawed, but just need to have the guys in there most comfortable spots. Brett has no chance of guarding 21, yet he was on him quite a bit and fouled out guarding him. great post, I totally agree with each point. I think most Saint fans think highly of Evan and are happy he's with us this year. But let's face it, he's probably the most controversial player we've had in 30 years. He can be such a electrifying player one moment, bringing the arena to a roar. Then a moment later, he makes the most bone-headed play that someone of his ability and experience should know better to even attempt. I love the kid, his heart and lack of fear, but he is frustrating. As far as Brett is concerned, I love how he was grown this year. Yes, he struggles at times, but his growth as a 2nd year player has been fantastic. He was carrying us in the early part of the first half, showing flashes of what he can be to our team. Ware (#21) at 6'8", didn't look that imposing (girth-wise), but he was an excellent athlete, very quick, and a red-shirt senior. Brett wasn't getting any help inside on him at all. Tough matchup. The kid's (#21) a good experienced player.
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Post by greenblood on Jan 31, 2014 10:51:10 GMT -5
LOL...I don't think the Siena Science department is that sophisticated so.....let's appreciate their differences and USE them to our advantage. I have faith that Maurice will make a sophomore jump and show more of what I think he is capable of. Evan is just who he is. The offensive/defensive subbing was the way to go with them. @ Coach Luke - great scout and congrats to the boys for holding Mason well below his season average. It was a nail biter and it was ugly at times, but it IS A W. They don't ask how, they just ask if you had more than the other team when all was said and done!
Let's go get Quinny boys!
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 31, 2014 11:42:13 GMT -5
can the science department combine the DNA of Hymes and White? you'd have a hell of a ball player there. I agree, but I also think white just needs more playing time and he will be a monster. My only criticism is that the shots near the hoop have to fall. We needed those shots last night. It seemed like that game could have been more easily won at the line and by making the chippies.
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Post by musicman on Jan 31, 2014 11:49:33 GMT -5
can the science department combine the DNA of Hymes and White? you'd have a hell of a ball player there. I agree, but I also think white just needs more playing time and he will be a monster. My only criticism is that the shots near the hoop have to fall. We needed those shots last night. It seemed like that game could have been more easily won at the line and by making the chippies. exactly. They're making it tough on themselves. A lot of it obviously are young players that will be making 3/4 of all those shots 2 years from now. Make half of those chippies and we could have won by 15. I think at one point last night, we missed 5 lay-ups in a row.
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Post by MTS on Jan 31, 2014 11:54:25 GMT -5
I sincerely believe (and hope) that next year Wright, White, Long, Wolfe and JO will all make big sophomore jumps. Everyone knows that is when a college player improves the most. If these put in the hard work in the weight room and improve their game (I am confident that they will) next year and the two after that are going to be really special potentially for Siena basketball. Jimmy is getting a lot out of this team...we have a flawed roster but our kids are playing their asses off. Jimmy's intensity has really brought out good things in the team.
The team is still learning how to win. We are getting there. Next step is beating a top level MAAC team at home. The first of those opportunities is against Quinnipiac tomorrow night.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 31, 2014 12:38:34 GMT -5
Hymes has his warts, like every player on this team except for maybe Poole and Wright, BUT we're definitely a better team with him. He does something no one on the team can do....create his own shot.
He gave us a real good 17 min last night. That was Jimmys fault when Mason hit that jumper with a minute to go and took the lead. No way should Hymes A)be on the floor at that point or B) start out guarding the leagues best scorer when he could have easily been on Jordan instead. The offense-defense situational subbing was a possession too late, and it almost cost us. Evan will have his 1000th point before Valentines Day, and has an outside shot at being one of the top 10 scorers of all-time at Siena (let that soak in;) Hardly a kid that's in "over his head." lol
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 31, 2014 13:08:00 GMT -5
Gotta disagree on the fact Siena couldn't get energized for this game. Siena Siena isn't 17-5 and rolling the MAAC. Every game is and will be a struggle, if the kids don't know that, or Jimmy hasn't beaten that into them, well will be a quick exit come tourney..... Not very good match-ups last night. Hymes, did Hymes things.... i don't think it is his fault he was on Mason. that should never happen. And if we have to do offense for defense for him, so what?? no one else has shown they can score consistently like him (outside of poole), so especially in games like last night, he needs to be out there. same for Brett.... this roster is flawed, but just need to have the guys in there most comfortable spots. Brett has no chance of guarding 21, yet he was on him quite a bit and fouled out guarding him. great post, I totally agree with each point. I think most Saint fans think highly of Evan and are happy he's with us this year. But let's face it, he's probably the most controversial player we've had in 30 years. He can be such a electrifying player one moment, bringing the arena to a roar. Then a moment later, he makes the most bone-headed play that someone of his ability and experience should know better to even attempt. I love the kid, his heart and lack of fear, but he is frustrating. As far as Brett is concerned, I love how he was grown this year. Yes, he struggles at times, but his growth as a 2nd year player has been fantastic. He was carrying us in the early part of the first half, showing flashes of what he can be to our team. Ware (#21) at 6'8", didn't look that imposing (girth-wise), but he was an excellent athlete, very quick, and a red-shirt senior. Brett wasn't getting any help inside on him at all. Tough matchup. The kid's (#21) a good experienced player. Hymes is far from the only player or even the most regularly and intensely debated player for Siena. Here are a few other names to quickly refresh your and everyone else's memories: Kyle Downey - played a ton. A lot to love about the kid but way to slow to play most MM or HM 2 guards. Edwin - everything came so easy to him and he did what his coached wanted him and Kenny to do so many thought he didn't give enough effort rebounding, etc. Hint he and Kenny were supposed to leak out asap and let RR & Franklin get the boards. James Clinton - oh my, size, talent, you name it rarely put it together. Dwayne Archbold - we used to get on him for some bonehead plays but in particular he had a penchant for using a teardrop floater on drives instead of just taking a normal mid-range jump shot. AND there have been many more over the years...
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 31, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -5
Hymes has his warts, like every player on this team except for maybe Poole and Wright, BUT we're definitely a better team with him. He does something no one on the team can do....create his own shot. He gave us a real good 17 min last night. That was Jimmys fault when Mason hit that jumper with a minute to go and took the lead. No way should Hymes A)be on the floor at that point or B) start out guarding the leagues best scorer when he could have easily been on Jordan instead. The offense-defense situational subbing was a possession too late, and it almost cost us. Evan will have his 1000th point before Valentines Day, and has an outside shot at being one of the top 10 scorers of all-time at Siena (let that soak in;) Hardly a kid that's in "over his head." lol i would say it was more like a good five minutes. he did spend his first 12 minutes or so gathering two turnovers (bad ones) and three fouls and a number of defensive lapses. i guess we saw a different game. im big on trumpeting scoring success for winners. Hymes has had a luxury i would guess most others in the top 10 did not have.... the green light on some pretty bad teams. Hymes will also wind up top 5 or so in turnovers i would guess. Hymes is a D1 scorer. his division one abilities begin and end there. Defensively hes one of the biggest liabilities on the court at all times. In controlled situations he is necessary for this team. I would hope and expect that this coaching staff can find a better answer than the current one.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 31, 2014 13:45:10 GMT -5
great post, I totally agree with each point. I think most Saint fans think highly of Evan and are happy he's with us this year. But let's face it, he's probably the most controversial player we've had in 30 years. He can be such a electrifying player one moment, bringing the arena to a roar. Then a moment later, he makes the most bone-headed play that someone of his ability and experience should know better to even attempt. I love the kid, his heart and lack of fear, but he is frustrating. As far as Brett is concerned, I love how he was grown this year. Yes, he struggles at times, but his growth as a 2nd year player has been fantastic. He was carrying us in the early part of the first half, showing flashes of what he can be to our team. Ware (#21) at 6'8", didn't look that imposing (girth-wise), but he was an excellent athlete, very quick, and a red-shirt senior. Brett wasn't getting any help inside on him at all. Tough matchup. The kid's (#21) a good experienced player. Hymes is far from the only player or even the most regularly and intensely debated player for Siena. Here are a few other names to quickly refresh your and everyone else's memories: Kyle Downey - played a ton. A lot to love about the kid but way to slow to play most MM or HM 2 guards. Edwin - everything came so easy to him and he did what his coached wanted him and Kenny to do so many thought he didn't give enough effort rebounding, etc. Hint he and Kenny were supposed to leak out asap and let RR & Franklin get the boards. James Clinton - oh my, size, talent, you name it rarely put it together. Dwayne Archbold - we used to get on him for some bonehead plays but in particular he had a penchant for using a teardrop floater on drives instead of just taking a normal mid-range jump shot. AND there have been many more over the years... Outside of maybe Downey, none of the guys you listed generated the type of debate that Hymes or Bisping generate. As much as the other guys games were discussed, I never saw one poster who thought Siena would be better off without them.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 31, 2014 13:48:14 GMT -5
[/quote]i would say it was more like a good five minutes. he did spend his first 12 minutes or so gathering two turnovers (bad ones) and three fouls and a number of defensive lapses. i guess we saw a different game.
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This part I agree with (but I think it was more like 7 or 8 minutes). He was not playing well but once he hit that first 3, his energy level and confidence soared. He had a ridiculous assist and played well on defense in the key stretch of the 2nd half.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 31, 2014 13:54:56 GMT -5
i would say it was more like a good five minutes. he did spend his first 12 minutes or so gathering two turnovers (bad ones) and three fouls and a number of defensive lapses. i guess we saw a different game. agreed although the steal that people hyped was actually Wright not Hymes. Hymes wound up with the ball but it was Wright who tipped it away. I agree that if/when hymes is hitting shots his whole game elevates. Conversely when hes turning the ball over his shooting suffers as well and his whole game kind of goes off the rails a bit. Kid is silly fast with the ball
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 31, 2014 13:55:41 GMT -5
should have added ... that assist was sweet
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 31, 2014 16:04:56 GMT -5
Hymes is far from the only player or even the most regularly and intensely debated player for Siena. Here are a few other names to quickly refresh your and everyone else's memories: Kyle Downey - played a ton. A lot to love about the kid but way to slow to play most MM or HM 2 guards. Edwin - everything came so easy to him and he did what his coached wanted him and Kenny to do so many thought he didn't give enough effort rebounding, etc. Hint he and Kenny were supposed to leak out asap and let RR & Franklin get the boards. James Clinton - oh my, size, talent, you name it rarely put it together. Dwayne Archbold - we used to get on him for some bonehead plays but in particular he had a penchant for using a teardrop floater on drives instead of just taking a normal mid-range jump shot. AND there have been many more over the years... Outside of maybe Downey, none of the guys you listed generated the type of debate that Hymes or Bisping generate. As much as the other guys games were discussed, I never saw one poster who thought Siena would be better off without them. Ok....your point is?
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Post by th24 on Jan 31, 2014 16:32:40 GMT -5
How about this notable bit- if we didn't have Hymes this season..we would be in the bottom of the MAAC standings! So unless you God...and can make him 6'2 ..lay off the kid!
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