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Post by siena7127 on Feb 14, 2014 10:23:07 GMT -5
(null)by similar you mean the freshman class right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 10:32:34 GMT -5
(null)by similar you mean the freshman class right? Yes I do.
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 14, 2014 10:54:38 GMT -5
One of the things everyone needs to remember is that kids need to fit the system. Ratings and who is recruiting against you are nice but whether or not the player fits the system of the program is an important part of the final evaluation and offer equation.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 14, 2014 11:03:20 GMT -5
i think Paige and (should he commit) Smithen bring some skills that are not on the roster currently.
Paige seems to be a tough nosed defender similar to White but he has a nice outside shot. So if hes similar to White ... hes similar on the defensive side of the ball. White seems to be more physical on offense and getting to the rim. Paige will add some athleticism and length on D which current players havent really done (aside from White) at the SG/SF positions.
Smithen... if you watch video on him... has a very good handle... from what ive seen, second only to Wright. He is a legit 6'3" ish guard with a game that is starting to draw attention from bigger programs. I believe the fact he is 160-170 lbs has prevented the big programs from really getting involved. He finishes around the rim better than anyone getting playing time this year... now .. does that translate at the D1 level... we would have to see. Siena has no guard on the roster with his quickness and skill set. The same for Taplin if he was the one to commit. Smithen actually looks a little quicker than taplin with the ball. Taplin is just very smoothe with the ball.
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 14, 2014 13:35:05 GMT -5
Who knows till he gets here-- I will say given his interest level -- doubtful he is a "impact" recruit. Kid was surely seen, but I agree Jimmy obviously saw something in him- but I'm not expecting much.Even less for Gottfried - hopefully they perform- but given the fact recruit rankings are right far more often than wrong ( and I'm willing to take ANYONE on with that statement) for every recruit you give me that the rankings were wrong on I'll give you 5 that they were right on..and again not saying they are infallible- we know they are not.. but neither of these kids are barely a blimp on D1 recruiting scene --odds are not good either of these kids are impact players-- but then again I dont believe either was recruited to be a impact player I'm waiting to see Jimmy win a recruiting battle for a highly ranked kid-- up to this point we have not seen that- hope that changes soon. And finally I'm more than willing to to wait until spring signing season is over before judging this class The team is going on its 4th losing season in a row. I thus wouldn't expect to win too many recruiting battles for highly ranked kids. They tend to want to go to teams that win titles and make the NCAAs regularly. If you are expecting Patsos to pick right up where Fran left off on the recruiting trail, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. The program has a long way to go to be in that place with recruits again. Patsos will have to rebuild with under the radar kids who are better than their offers like Hasbrouck, Franklin, Moore, etc. Let's hope Paige is one of those.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 14, 2014 14:12:54 GMT -5
I know you want A-10 type of recruits, but aside from Ubiles, not many prior Siena players have been up level recruits. Again, I understand and agree that that type of recruiting is what Siena needs, but I believe that until the track record improves, it will be difficult to achieve.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 14, 2014 14:16:42 GMT -5
Who knows till he gets here-- I will say given his interest level -- doubtful he is a "impact" recruit. Kid was surely seen, but I agree Jimmy obviously saw something in him- but I'm not expecting much.Even less for Gottfried - hopefully they perform- but given the fact recruit rankings are right far more often than wrong ( and I'm willing to take ANYONE on with that statement) for every recruit you give me that the rankings were wrong on I'll give you 5 that they were right on..and again not saying they are infallible- we know they are not.. but neither of these kids are barely a blimp on D1 recruiting scene --odds are not good either of these kids are impact players-- but then again I dont believe either was recruited to be a impact player I'm waiting to see Jimmy win a recruiting battle for a highly ranked kid-- up to this point we have not seen that- hope that changes soon. And finally I'm more than willing to to wait until spring signing season is over before judging this class The team is going on its 4th losing season in a row. I thus wouldn't expect to win too many recruiting battles for highly ranked kids. They tend to want to go to teams that win titles and make the NCAAs regularly. If you are expecting Patsos to pick right up where Fran left off on the recruiting trail, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. The program has a long way to go to be in that place with recruits again. Patsos will have to rebuild with under the radar kids who are better than their offers like Hasbrouck, Franklin, Moore, etc. Let's hope Paige is one of those. Don't kid yourself, the #1 reason kids pick a college, is for PLAYING TIME. It's the reason Frans recruiting went way downhill after the Big 3 were in the middle of their great run. You think any of these freshman came here because we're winning titles or going to the NCAA's? Is there a better known team in the MAAC for those than us? Is their a MAAC school that can even compare to us in fan support/arena? Those things, and of course their relationship with the coach, are important, but playing time will always be #1. This is why as Jimmy fills his roster with HIS players, he really needs to be selective. After this class, how do you sell Siena to kids? They'll be relunctant to sign with a team filled with a lot contributing underclassmen. I can see us only signing one kid in '15 because of this, and he bettter be an impact kid that puts us over the top.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 14:23:34 GMT -5
Agreed. If the speculation turns out to be fact and Hymes and Audu do leave the 2 recruits that take their ships have to be more than role players. Do not forget if Hymes leaves next year there are only 2 seniors whose scholarships open up for the '15 class (Poole and Silas) and by all accounts one of those is targeted for Gottfried which leaves only 1 scholarship. This recruiting class is going to have a lot to say on the future of the program. It is going to a very interesting and exciting next few months to see how all of this plays out
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2014 14:53:02 GMT -5
Agree with Tony. Nobody has ever questioned Paige's level of competition. If anything it proves that Paige has been seen and evaluated by every level D-1 program and it seems by his offers he is considered a mid-major level recruit. Same as Smithen. Getting offers and getting looks are 2 totally different animals. Maybe I just expected to much from Patsos this quickly but while these recruits seem solid, too be honest they do not excite me. For example QPAC has a commit from the #2 ranked kid in New England (6'7'' forward) who had actual offers from Boston College, St. Bonnie, Rhode Island and St. Joseph's. Probably just the delusion in me at times thinking the rebuild will be quick, but those are the type of recruiting battles I want to see Patsos win. Too be clear not a knock on the current recruits but they just seem similar to what the Saints already have I must have missed this- are you talking about a 2015 recruit? -- the #2 kid in NE committed to NC-- Quinny's guy( a undersized PF named Samuel Dingba is ranked 17th in New England)
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2014 14:54:28 GMT -5
I know you want A-10 type of recruits, but aside from Ubiles, not many prior Siena players have been up level recruits. Again, I understand and agree that that type of recruiting is what Siena needs, but I believe that until the track record improves, it will be difficult to achieve. Answer-- who is Clarence Jackson- Owen Wignot_ Ryan Rossiter - Alex Franklin- Edwin Ubiles-- all "up" level recruits
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2014 14:56:29 GMT -5
Who knows till he gets here-- I will say given his interest level -- doubtful he is a "impact" recruit. Kid was surely seen, but I agree Jimmy obviously saw something in him- but I'm not expecting much.Even less for Gottfried - hopefully they perform- but given the fact recruit rankings are right far more often than wrong ( and I'm willing to take ANYONE on with that statement) for every recruit you give me that the rankings were wrong on I'll give you 5 that they were right on..and again not saying they are infallible- we know they are not.. but neither of these kids are barely a blimp on D1 recruiting scene --odds are not good either of these kids are impact players-- but then again I dont believe either was recruited to be a impact player I'm waiting to see Jimmy win a recruiting battle for a highly ranked kid-- up to this point we have not seen that- hope that changes soon. And finally I'm more than willing to to wait until spring signing season is over before judging this class The team is going on its 4th losing season in a row. I thus wouldn't expect to win too many recruiting battles for highly ranked kids. They tend to want to go to teams that win titles and make the NCAAs regularly. If you are expecting Patsos to pick right up where Fran left off on the recruiting trail, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. The program has a long way to go to be in that place with recruits again. Patsos will have to rebuild with under the radar kids who are better than their offers like Hasbrouck, Franklin, Moore, etc. Let's hope Paige is one of those. I'm pretty well grounded... I'd be happy with Willem Brandwijk ,Sterling Taplin or Kadeem Smithen all are solid recruits-- with decent rankings and interest
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 14:58:50 GMT -5
Stand corrected Tony. #2 in Conn. and #17 in New England according to NERR. I did have his official offers correct. Not a bad list for a MAAC recruit
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2014 15:05:14 GMT -5
Stand corrected Tony. #2 in Conn. and #17 in New England according to NERR. I did have his official offers correct. Not a bad list for a MAAC recruit NO I agree.,.. but he is a undersized PF---- as another point of comparison Quinny also signed a player off cape Henry-- and its fairly well recognized Paige is a better player than his Cape Henry teammate and Qunny recruit Ayron Hutton. a
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Post by Quackman on Feb 14, 2014 15:11:37 GMT -5
I think this debate is way overblown.
With the young talent on the roster, Siena poised to have a nice run. Wright and Long are kids to build around. As I've said, I see White developing into a Faison/Archbold type player ... I don't have a good feel for what JO and Wolfe will develop into. With a full year under their belt plus an off season to work on strength and individual skills, I do not believe it is a stretch to expect improvement from all the freshman in 2014/2015.
Then, Poole will be a 1st or 2nd team all maac preseason pick next year. Bisping may be headed towards all maac status given his play in conference this year. I wont discuss Hymes other than to say he is a valuable role player and Silas has shown flashes of what could be.
Finally, you have Cole and whatever freshman are brought in. Not sure what to expect out of them.
The maac is losing an awful lot of talent from teams at the top of the standings: Baron, Perez, Heath, Beamon, Brown, Alvarado, Azotan, Shannon, Bowman, Armand, Myles and Stewart graduating (among others and in no particular order). (Interesting to note how senior dominant all of the top teams are this year)
Outside of Iona, all of those teams have major questions to answer.
I don't think Siena needs to rely on next years freshman to head to the top of the maac. Jimmy and his coaching staff have the players in the program, now they just need to "coach them up".
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Post by billmurray on Feb 14, 2014 15:33:06 GMT -5
I know you want A-10 type of recruits, but aside from Ubiles, not many prior Siena players have been up level recruits. Again, I understand and agree that that type of recruiting is what Siena needs, but I believe that until the track record improves, it will be difficult to achieve. Answer-- who is Clarence Jackson- Owen Wignot_ Ryan Rossiter - Alex Franklin- Edwin Ubiles-- all "up" level recruits I agree on Wignot, but I didn't add him because while he had up offers and was solid, he did not produce as an impact player. Jackson had Richmond as I recall which is up, but not A-10 level and Rossiter had the red shirt Providence offer. I don't recall Franklin's offers but if you say so I'll buy it. But I think we agree that it will be a couple more winning seasons for Siena to get back into that type of hunt, but you can always dream.
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