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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 12, 2014 13:50:44 GMT -5
Brandwijk and who else? thank you. Paige and Brandwijk i believe will be here for the Canisius game. Too bad it's this weekend ... My niece who lives in the Netherland's is coming to the States next weekend ... Maybe Siena can get the Tulip Festival Princess to come to the game
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 14:22:30 GMT -5
Have seen posts about Paige being under the radar and a diamond in the rough. Lets be realistic. Paige has been seen by the BCS schools playing for a nationally ranked HS team, who has a teammate going to a BCS program and seen at the AAU level. His game has been seen and evaluated by all levels of college hoops. Was listening to Brad Winton from Juco recruiting and he made a very interesting statement that I agree with. He said " HS kids and Jucos are the level they are recruited and offered by". Lets not expect him to come in and solve our weaknesses right away like Patsos stole him from BCS programs. Obviously Patsos sees something in his game he feels fits into his system and he can develop. Have to trust Patsos on this and hopefully he plays at a higher than expected level like Wright did this season. Sme goes for Gottfried.
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Post by saintsfan on Feb 12, 2014 14:34:57 GMT -5
i dont agree with what you are saying. No one is saying he was stolen from a BCS program. What he does bring is toughness and athleticism that is lacking in many on this current roster. So expecting him to bring those two things is far FAR from a reach.
now... you want to question where a kid is going to fit in a team that has already been built from the ground up and most defined roles... I'll buy it. But this is not the case here. A LOT of holes exist and a few of those holes dont take any magical recruiting coup to fill.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 12, 2014 14:58:27 GMT -5
When the Siena program can get back to being a top 100 program we will be able to compete head-to-head with many BCS teams for a higher level recruit . . . until then & right now we have to hope our coaches have a good eye and we can get some "diamonds in the rough" recruits . . . I think everyone is going to be pleasantly surprised after Paige lands in Loudonville
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 12, 2014 15:39:46 GMT -5
Have seen posts about Paige being under the radar and a diamond in the rough. Lets be realistic. Paige has been seen by the BCS schools playing for a nationally ranked HS team, who has a teammate going to a BCS program and seen at the AAU level. His game has been seen and evaluated by all levels of college hoops. Was listening to Brad Winton from Juco recruiting and he made a very interesting statement that I agree with. He said " HS kids and Jucos are the level they are recruited and offered by". Lets not expect him to come in and solve our weaknesses right away like Patsos stole him from BCS programs. Obviously Patsos sees something in his game he feels fits into his system and he can develop. Have to trust Patsos on this and hopefully he plays at a higher than expected level like Wright did this season. Sme goes for Gottfried. Actually I believe Paige's injury caused him to miss the AAU season. AAU games is where most BCS coaches do their recruit scouting as you see more talented players in one place playing against the best of the best. The H.S. games are not scouted as much. Lastly, Paige is not a BCS player, so it makes sense that he would not be considered by BCS coaches. I don't think anyone is claiming he's a BCS player that fell through the cracks. I think the suggestions being made are that he may be a mid-major player who is better than his current offers seem to suggest.
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Post by Tony on Feb 12, 2014 18:02:18 GMT -5
Who knows till he gets here-- I will say given his interest level -- doubtful he is a "impact" recruit. Kid was surely seen, but I agree Jimmy obviously saw something in him- but I'm not expecting much.Even less for Gottfried - hopefully they perform- but given the fact recruit rankings are right far more often than wrong ( and I'm willing to take ANYONE on with that statement) for every recruit you give me that the rankings were wrong on I'll give you 5 that they were right on..and again not saying they are infallible- we know they are not.. but neither of these kids are barely a blimp on D1 recruiting scene --odds are not good either of these kids are impact players-- but then again I dont believe either was recruited to be a impact player
I'm waiting to see Jimmy win a recruiting battle for a highly ranked kid-- up to this point we have not seen that- hope that changes soon. And finally I'm more than willing to to wait until spring signing season is over before judging this class
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 12, 2014 19:12:09 GMT -5
Have seen posts about Paige being under the radar and a diamond in the rough. Lets be realistic. Paige has been seen by the BCS schools playing for a nationally ranked HS team, who has a teammate going to a BCS program and seen at the AAU level. His game has been seen and evaluated by all levels of college hoops. Was listening to Brad Winton from Juco recruiting and he made a very interesting statement that I agree with. He said " HS kids and Jucos are the level they are recruited and offered by". Lets not expect him to come in and solve our weaknesses right away like Patsos stole him from BCS programs. Obviously Patsos sees something in his game he feels fits into his system and he can develop. Have to trust Patsos on this and hopefully he plays at a higher than expected level like Wright did this season. Sme goes for Gottfried. In case you're responding to my comment. I wasn't trying to say there was anything written but rather Siena coaches have been able to find diamonds in the rough that could have play at major programs but weren't offered or looked at by those majors. As evidence by the end if their careers at Siena. I'm saying that the harder our staff works on identifying talent and with the right motivation and the ability to help them improve their talent is who we might be trying to get (since we can't compete with high mid-major recruits right now). So while we board fans know about the higher ESPN rated recruits we won't be aware if these diamonds in the rough that the coaches may see. I'm hoping some if these will turn into those players. I already see this of Wright & Long after one season. It's possible that b the time White & Wolfe graduate they too could show they could have played at a higher level. That's what I'm hoping for a Cam or JP.
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Post by hockeyguy on Feb 12, 2014 19:39:25 GMT -5
Basketball is still a team game, sure it helps to have "a stud", but I would rather have 5 guys who can play together than some "under-the-radar" hotshot who plays for himself and little else.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 12, 2014 20:11:39 GMT -5
Just watched the last Saints Alive show. MJ asked Jimmy if he thought Q was going to be as good as he's been. Jimmy said Q's play in AAU wasn't flashy like others (who get noticed by bigs - didn't 't say it like this but maybe what he meant). Jimmy saw that Q could thrive in a more organized format.
That sort of goes with what KnickSaint said that JP was injured & wasn't showcased in AAU for the big boys. I 'm still thinking Jimmy found something he liked about JP, and for now that's good enough for me. Of course we'll see but if JPs anything like his first 4 recruits he'll be fine here.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 12, 2014 20:16:02 GMT -5
Basketball is still a team game, sure it helps to have "a stud", but I would rather have 5 guys who can play together than some "under-the-radar" hotshot who plays for himself and little else. Of course it's a team sport. Other Diamonds in the rough were team players (Marc Brown, Bennerman, Kenny, Eddie, Alex, Rossiter, etc.). I'm not looking for a Sharon Fisher (always liked calling him by the girls name). With Jimmy's description of JP JYD, he definitely sounds like a team player.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 12, 2014 20:27:48 GMT -5
Who knows till he gets here-- I will say given his interest level -- doubtful he is a "impact" recruit. Kid was surely seen, but I agree Jimmy obviously saw something in him- but I'm not expecting much.Even less for Gottfried - hopefully they perform- but given the fact recruit rankings are right far more often than wrong ( and I'm willing to take ANYONE on with that statement) for every recruit you give me that the rankings were wrong on I'll give you 5 that they were right on..and again not saying they are infallible- we know they are not.. but neither of these kids are barely a blimp on D1 recruiting scene --odds are not good either of these kids are impact players-- but then again I dont believe either was recruited to be a impact player I'm waiting to see Jimmy win a recruiting battle for a highly ranked kid-- up to this point we have not seen that- hope that changes soon. And finally I'm more than willing to to wait until spring signing season is over before judging this class +1
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 14, 2014 8:56:04 GMT -5
some news on Cape Henry (Paige's team). anyone want to question the level of his competition? "Cape Henry continues to move up in one national poll. The Dolphins (19-0) moved up one spot to No. 19 in the CBS MaxPreps Xcellent poll. Paul VI, which is in VISAA Division I along with Cape Henry, dropped 14 spots to No. 25. See the complete rankings at t.maxpreps.com/MEDqu5The Dolphins are still on the bubble in the Student Sports FAB 50 poll. VISAA playoffs The VISAA Division I state private school basketball tournament begins in two weeks and it’s shaping up to be a great one. Cape Henry, the top-ranked team in South Hampton Roads, is currently the No. 1 team in Division I. The Dolphins, barring an upset, should keep that spot heading into the playoffs. Other teams in Division I include O’Connell, Paul VI and Benedictine. O’Connell (16-7) is ranked No. 50 nationally in the Student Sports FAB 50 poll and is No. 3 by The Washington Post. Paul VI (20-5) is ranked No. 24 in the Student Sports FAB 50 poll, No. 29 by USA Today and No. 4 by The Washington Post. And Benedictine (19-4) is the top-ranked team by The Richmond Times-Dispatch. The VISAA private school state championship games are March 1 at Virginia State University. Other local private school teams trying to win state titles are Norfolk Collegiate and Atlantic Shores in Division II and Greenbrier Christian in Division III. Norfolk Collegiate is ranked No. 3 and Atlantic Shores is No. 7. Greenbrier Christian is No. 5." His team has three standout players. Two of which are straight ball hogs. Ayron Hutton and Chris Clarke... both love to shoot that rock. Top three players on the team are Clarke Paige and Hutton. Hutton is headed to Qunnipiac next year. Clarke is the highest ranked of the three.
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2014 9:07:33 GMT -5
some news on Cape Henry (Paige's team). anyone want to question the level of his competition? " Just out of curiosity- who is questioning Paige's level of competition? or Taplin for that matter? Only potential recruits competition many question is Wincowski. And I certainly dont want to make this thread of Wincowski's level of competition-- because quite frankly the class D level up north is ..ummm lets be kind,... not good .. That doesn't mean Joel cant be a good recruit --I'll reserve judgment until I see him, but lets not change this so people are questioning the competition for all recruits( unless I'm missing something)
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 14, 2014 9:41:07 GMT -5
some news on Cape Henry (Paige's team). anyone want to question the level of his competition? " Just out of curiosity- who is questioning Paige's level of competition? or Taplin for that matter? Only potential recruits competition many question is Wincowski. And I certainly dont want to make this thread of Wincowski's level of competition-- because quite frankly the class D level up north is ..ummm lets be kind,... not good .. That doesn't mean Joel cant be a good recruit --I'll reserve judgment until I see him, but lets not change this so people are questioning the competition for all recruits( unless I'm missing something) im not going down this road again. Suffice it to say a couple people have ridden some of the recruiting of recent. Lets keep this about Paige. And now what looks like an attractive recruit in Smithen who is getting looks from Creighton and Providence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 10:13:57 GMT -5
Agree with Tony. Nobody has ever questioned Paige's level of competition. If anything it proves that Paige has been seen and evaluated by every level D-1 program and it seems by his offers he is considered a mid-major level recruit. Same as Smithen. Getting offers and getting looks are 2 totally different animals. Maybe I just expected to much from Patsos this quickly but while these recruits seem solid, too be honest they do not excite me. For example QPAC has a commit from the #2 ranked kid in New England (6'7'' forward) who had actual offers from Boston College, St. Bonnie, Rhode Island and St. Joseph's. Probably just the delusion in me at times thinking the rebuild will be quick, but those are the type of recruiting battles I want to see Patsos win. Too be clear not a knock on the current recruits but they just seem similar to what the Saints already have
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