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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 19:22:18 GMT -5
Wolfe "has to agree" to redshirt? What planet are you on? If the coach says "you aren't playing", do you honestly think a player will say, "that's okay, I'll throw away a year of eligibility"? Actually, it doesn't matter, because if you don't play, you keep your eligibility. But that statement was ridiculous. Who was at the Siena luncheon when Jimmy said he'd like to RS Wolfe , but it's up to him & his family? I'm not dreaming this stuff up, he said it; or said something to that point. A coach can't RS a player w/out their permission. How is that stmt ridiculous? Maybe he only wants to play 4 yrs, graduate & move on. It's happened. What planet am I from, that's funny. A coach asking a players opinion and you saying the player has to agree are two hugely different things. A coach can redshirt anyone he wants. It may cause hard feelings, but to say he can't , obviously you don't know the rules.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 15, 2013 23:04:51 GMT -5
Who was at the Siena luncheon when Jimmy said he'd like to RS Wolfe , but it's up to him & his family? I'm not dreaming this stuff up, he said it; or said something to that point. A coach can't RS a player w/out their permission. How is that stmt ridiculous? Maybe he only wants to play 4 yrs, graduate & move on. It's happened. What planet am I from, that's funny. A coach asking a players opinion and you saying the player has to agree are two hugely different things. A coach can redshirt anyone he wants. It may cause hard feelings, but to say he can't , obviously you don't know the rules. I think he means sure the coach can sit the player so he Is eligible to take a RS but the player does not have to come back for year 5....and that is an agreement the coach should want from the player and its still not guaranteed on either side
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 6:14:43 GMT -5
A coach asking a players opinion and you saying the player has to agree are two hugely different things. A coach can redshirt anyone he wants. It may cause hard feelings, but to say he can't , obviously you don't know the rules. I think he means sure the coach can sit the player so he Is eligible to take a RS but the player does not have to come back for year 5....and that is an agreement the coach should want from the player and its still not guaranteed on either side As has been said several times, Siena doesn't have many options for graduate school, so how many players would be here for a fifth year anyways? A player can agree to redshirt and leave for the fifth year, also. Erik Harris did. I'd be shocked if Wolfe redshirts and I'm not in favor of redshirting anyone, but to say they have to agree is just wrong. That was my only point. Lot's of people here try to make up rules as they go along.
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Post by nolesaint on Oct 16, 2013 7:24:04 GMT -5
I think he means sure the coach can sit the player so he Is eligible to take a RS but the player does not have to come back for year 5....and that is an agreement the coach should want from the player and its still not guaranteed on either side As has been said several times, Siena doesn't have many options for graduate school, so how many players would be here for a fifth year anyways? A player can agree to redshirt and leave for the fifth year, also. Erik Harris did. I'd be shocked if Wolfe redshirts and I'm not in favor of redshirting anyone, but to say they have to agree is just wrong. That was my only point. Lot's of people here try to make up rules as they go along. Ever heard of a double major...?
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Post by bigsaintg on Oct 16, 2013 7:31:12 GMT -5
Actually over the years a lot of players have been on the 4.5-5.0 year plan anyway just to graduate.They only need 12 credits a semester. At worse, they have extra credits and as someone said get a second major or a minor
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 16, 2013 8:55:27 GMT -5
Actually over the years a lot of players have been on the 4.5-5.0 year plan anyway just to graduate.They only need 12 credits a semester. At worse, they have extra credits and as someone said get a second major or a minor Correct. Stating the obvious 3 things will dictate the outcome of the MW RS issue: 1 what's best for the program 2 what's best for the player 3 an injury to another big
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 9:01:32 GMT -5
Actually over the years a lot of players have been on the 4.5-5.0 year plan anyway just to graduate.They only need 12 credits a semester. At worse, they have extra credits and as someone said get a second major or a minor These kids are also going to summer school now too because of practice. Most none athletes doing that all the time would graduate an entire year early not later. In theory, I think you could also get just 3 years of MW including the redshirt year without a transfer penalty. Just 2 years of playing. And I don't think D1 needs 12. I think that's DII and lower. D1 needs just 6 per semester but they have certain percentages they have to meet. www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/"All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution’s own GPA standards for graduation."
"In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. "
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 16, 2013 9:45:48 GMT -5
Who was at the Siena luncheon when Jimmy said he'd like to RS Wolfe , but it's up to him & his family? I'm not dreaming this stuff up, he said it; or said something to that point. A coach can't RS a player w/out their permission. How is that stmt ridiculous? Maybe he only wants to play 4 yrs, graduate & move on. It's happened. What planet am I from, that's funny. A coach asking a players opinion and you saying the player has to agree are two hugely different things. A coach can redshirt anyone he wants. It may cause hard feelings, but to say he can't , obviously you don't know the rules. I don't know what the rules on RS'ing are, but I 'm pretty sure at Siena the coach cannot unilaterally RS a player w/o the players permission, the AD's or possibly the college president. Maybe other colleges the coach rules but not at Siena. In addition to asking the player to agree there's a cost to allowing a player a 5th year that's where the AD & President get involved. Besides my original comment was to HJ. He's adamant that Wolfe is too talented/athletic to RS. If that was the case Jimmy wouldn't consider RS'ing him. Therefore, Jimmy must not think he's ready for mins, this yr. I'm still ok with Jimmy's decision either way. It's what's best for the Team IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 10:12:39 GMT -5
Correct. Stating the obvious 3 things will dictate the outcome of the MW RS issue: 1 what's best for the program 2 what's best for the player 3 an injury to another big You forgot #4: Silas and Bisping aren't very good. Just a friendly reminder. You forgot to take your daily supplement.
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Post by th24 on Oct 16, 2013 10:14:39 GMT -5
With THIS coaching staff...I think that players like Bisping will do VERY WELL!
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Post by mrsiena on Oct 16, 2013 10:37:28 GMT -5
Great post KK. I hope Bisping proves Mr. Know It All VERY WRONG!
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Post by mrsiena on Oct 16, 2013 10:43:17 GMT -5
HJ, You don't need a slice of Humble Pie, you NEED THE WHOLE PIE!
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 16, 2013 10:43:30 GMT -5
With THIS coaching staff...I think that players like Bisping will do VERY WELL! Do you have a PrObLeM with your keyboard?
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 16, 2013 10:49:41 GMT -5
Correct. Stating the obvious 3 things will dictate the outcome of the MW RS issue: 1 what's best for the program 2 what's best for the player 3 an injury to another big You forgot #4: Silas and Bisping aren't very good. Before I'm saying someone isn't very good I need to see them play under the new system. Unfortunately under Mitch it was hard to tell what we had at times. The OD centric offense didnt work so well. I'm waiting to see how everything shakes out after several games. We'll all have a much better idea about Bisping Oliver Audu and Silas.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 10:52:51 GMT -5
Correct. Stating the obvious 3 things will dictate the outcome of the MW RS issue: 1 what's best for the program 2 what's best for the player 3 an injury to another big You forgot #4: Silas and Bisping aren't very good. Does saying that somehow make you feel good or important?
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