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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 24, 2015 13:09:50 GMT -5
Scott, I don't know for sure if you are in the minority, but I am in agreement with you on holding the scholarship, with some limited exceptions. I agree with you given the class balance, which among current, signed and verbally committed will be 2-5-2-4 (seniors to freshmen in that order) next year. Bringing in another freshman will not improve the existing imbalance, assuming someone leaves. My exceptions would be the following: 1. There is a fifth year senior who fits what several think is the missing piece - a wing who can really shoot. 2. There is a JUCO who was a qualifier out of high school, is looking to move on after one year and is a wing who can really shoot. Such a player would enter as a sophomore and not harm the existing class imbalance. 3. There is a transfer with two years left who is thoroughly vetted and is someone who is better than anyone we could reasonably hope to get in the high school class of 2016. He would join the current freshmen as a junior and not hurt the class balance we would all like to see in place. Also to be considered is where the staff is with current juniors and whether they think having three to give next year will give us a better chance of bringing in better student-athletes than the arguably quicker fix which the first two of the exceptions I laid out would provide. That all sounds good. But, who cares about class imbalance when you're losing...for the last 5 years? 40% of kids transfer anyway. Some get injured and redshirt. Remember that big 6 player class Mitch recruited. It is about to graduate... 2 kids. Go out and get players. I don't think Iona is out there thinking class imbalance. They're thinking NOW. They never leave a scholly open unless a kid leaves in August. That's how you have to operate these days. Imagine if Siena left a scholly open this year. Our depth would be even worse right now. We all thought we had too many players. Didn't quite work out that way. Same with MBII. He left 1 open and look at what happened. agree 100% on this.......................Patsos & staff are still actively pounding the pavement for next yr................that should tell you all you need to know of the concerns and potential roster move..........................can't worry about roster imbalance when trying to build a program who hasn't had a winning season in a very long time (sans the CBI run of last yr)!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 24, 2015 13:51:23 GMT -5
One thing i for certain do from now until next year... is get the weight trainer HEAVILY involved with a plan for the incoming rookies for now through their arrival. Siena will most certainly need the rookies to be able to contribute out of the gate. Clareth is 6'4" 190, a relatively good size to start off his college career and quite possibly capable of playing the three at that size. Larose is 6'5" 190 but could probably use some upper body strength. He has a great frame to build on. Fisher is also relatively college ready but will take leaps in performance as he adds to his upper body in particular. Wormley is 6'3" and 170 and could use some mass. But the trainer needs to work on building explosiveness and getting the fast twitch fibers. JO will be really good if he can just go up a little faster and stronger. Looked better Saturday night doing that. All our big guys need to be living in the weight room also building their core strength and getting explosion doing a lot of box jumps and sled pulls. Just my 2 cents
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Post by saintsandeagles on Feb 24, 2015 14:42:51 GMT -5
I know you really want a transfer, but do you honestly have any reason to believe it will happen, or are we just dreaming here? I would say us taking some sort of transfer is about 90% Good to know - others have much better idea of what the staff is up to than I do. Thanks!
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Post by siena12077 on Feb 24, 2015 15:17:35 GMT -5
siena's issues have been at the following areas. Tell me which area(s) arent addressed next year: 1 - backup pg 2 - true sg with length who can score and defend 3 - true wing 4 - PF capable of defending the position if the above areas are addressed then we are looking at a contender. 1 - Wormley 2 - Clareth 3 - ? will Clareth spend time at the 3 or will having faster athletic two allow Lavon to flourish at the three? Does siena recruit a 2/3? 4 - Bisping, Silas, Fisher added to this year's roster, bolstering a front court that features a blossoming Ogunyemi. the only real question mark is what happens at the 3? Does siena go get a veteran wing with a year of eligibility at the three (which allows them to recruit huerter hard)? Do they attempt to play lavon there and move Clareth over when he picks up his fouls? Wouldn't be surprised if Oliver started at the 3 next year, at least early on. Wright - Clareth - Oliver - Bisping - JO. Protect Long and keep him out of foul trouble as 6th man like Drame or Laury last year, coming in at the 4 and 3 until he shows he can stay on the floor. Silas gives JO a rest for 15 min a game to keep JOs motor fresh. Brandwijk or Paige battle for some time at the 4, Paige and Larose battle for some time at the 3, Wormley spells Wright and Clareth, gets about 15 min a game.
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Post by saintsandeagles on Feb 24, 2015 15:45:25 GMT -5
siena's issues have been at the following areas. Tell me which area(s) arent addressed next year: 1 - backup pg 2 - true sg with length who can score and defend 3 - true wing 4 - PF capable of defending the position if the above areas are addressed then we are looking at a contender. 1 - Wormley 2 - Clareth 3 - ? will Clareth spend time at the 3 or will having faster athletic two allow Lavon to flourish at the three? Does siena recruit a 2/3? 4 - Bisping, Silas, Fisher added to this year's roster, bolstering a front court that features a blossoming Ogunyemi. the only real question mark is what happens at the 3? Does siena go get a veteran wing with a year of eligibility at the three (which allows them to recruit huerter hard)? Do they attempt to play lavon there and move Clareth over when he picks up his fouls? Wouldn't be surprised if Oliver started at the 3 next year, at least early on. Wright - Clareth - Oliver - Bisping - JO. Protect Long and keep him out of foul trouble as 6th man like Drame or Laury last year, coming in at the 4 and 3 until he shows he can stay on the floor. Silas gives JO a rest for 15 min a game to keep JOs motor fresh. Brandwijk or Paige battle for some time at the 4, Paige and Larose battle for some time at the 3, Wormley spells Wright and Clareth, gets about 15 min a game. I would be very surprised by that. If Oliver was ever going to start over Long he would have done so while Lavon's been hampered by his injuries. Could happen but much more likely that Oliver starts the season as the starting 2 and Nico has to work to earn that honor.
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Post by siena77 on Feb 24, 2015 16:20:26 GMT -5
If Ryan is to start at the 2 or 3, it has to be the Ryan we saw against Canisius--aggressive on offense, with pull-up jumpers and drives to complement his long-range shooting. We can't afford to have a guy at either position who plays 25 minutes and gets 3 points.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 24, 2015 16:28:31 GMT -5
This thread is going the fairy tale route Oliver is not starting next year he's a role player. Patsos needs to keep his job.
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Post by siena12077 on Feb 24, 2015 16:48:06 GMT -5
I think Ryan has a chance to start next year as the season begins if no more recruits are signed. Patsos likes to start upperclassmen until underclassmen can beat them out. Regardless if he starts or not, he would be okay playing next to Wright, Clareth, and Long as all 3 can drive and make things happen. Oliver would play under control and shoot 3s. I can see him getting 20mpg next year but he needs the right playing group around him.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 24, 2015 17:00:53 GMT -5
I think there's a very good chance Oliver starts at the 2 next year. Nico will get plenty of minutes there too though. No need to put pressure on an incoming freshman for a team that will be expected to finish in the top 3/4 next year. Oliver being a senior, and knowing the system, gives him a big advantage at the start of the season. Could Nico end up starting down the road next year? Definitely.
I'm all for giving Lavon 25 minutes, off the bench, as something thats best for the team, and him. That means an experienced wing/SF is still a must.
I think Wormley gets 10 min a game at the point. Evan will have to battle WB for minutes behind Brett. Imoh gets 12-15min at center behind JO.
The loser of the back-up 4 battle, Paige and LaRose will really have to fight to get on the court.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 24, 2015 17:03:45 GMT -5
I think there's a very good chance Oliver starts at the 2 next year. Nico will get plenty of minutes there too though. No need to put pressure on an incoming freshman for a team that will be expected to finish in the top 3/4 next year. Oliver being a senior, and knowing the system, gives him a big advantage at the start of the season. Could Nico end up starting down the road next year? Definitely. I'm all for giving Lavon 25 minutes, off the bench, as something thats best for the team, and him. That means an experienced wing is still a must. I think Wormley gets 10 min a game at the point. Evan will have to battle WB for minutes behind Brett. Imoh gets 12-15min at center behind JO. Oliver is way too easy to defend. If he's plays 20 min a game we're in deep sh&@ You can bank on it ..
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 24, 2015 18:01:40 GMT -5
I think there's a very good chance Oliver starts at the 2 next year. Nico will get plenty of minutes there too though. No need to put pressure on an incoming freshman for a team that will be expected to finish in the top 3/4 next year. Oliver being a senior, and knowing the system, gives him a big advantage at the start of the season. Could Nico end up starting down the road next year? Definitely. I'm all for giving Lavon 25 minutes, off the bench, as something thats best for the team, and him. That means an experienced wing is still a must. I think Wormley gets 10 min a game at the point. Evan will have to battle WB for minutes behind Brett. Imoh gets 12-15min at center behind JO. Oliver is way too easy to defend. If he's plays 20 min a game we're in deep sh&@ You bank on it He'll be better with more inside scoring options. Right now, our perimeter guys are easy to cover because we have no interior offense without Bisping. A true 3 man that can score would also help Olivers game. I hope Nico explodes on the scene and gets a ton of minutes, but there's no need to rush him with a compotent senior at the same position.
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Post by siena12077 on Feb 24, 2015 18:15:58 GMT -5
Oliver is way too easy to defend. If he's plays 20 min a game we're in deep sh&@ You bank on it He'll be better with more inside scoring options. Right now, our perimeter guys are easy to cover because we have no interior offense without Bisping. A true 3 man that can score would also help Olivers game. I hope Nico explodes on the scene and gets a ton of minutes, but there's no need to rush him with a compotent senior at the same position. I kind of think Nico will explode onto the scene once he gets his feet wet. I really hate hyping recruits, and really hate expecting much from freshmen. But for some reason it just seems like this kid is the athletic, all around 6'3 SG that the team hasn't had since hasbrouck. He very well may take some time to have an impact, but I think he is going to be a talent from the start.
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Post by siena12077 on Feb 24, 2015 18:33:23 GMT -5
IF a scholly was to open up, I wouldn't be opposed to 6'3 Marcel Thompson. Reminds me a little of Clarence Jackson on film.
And there's always Gary jefferson jr whose at lake Clifton now and has blown up lately. Another athletic, dynamic scorer not quite as polished yet. I understand the class imbalance thing but if no transfers or jucos are interested or worthy than i would grab one of these guys and not hold a scholly
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 24, 2015 18:52:45 GMT -5
I know we stopped recruiting him weeks ago. Character issues. Should fit in nicely at Iona. Are we looking at Marcel Thompson still? No we're off all freshman to be I'm pretty sure. Once the staff offered LaRose and knew he had major interest, guys like Eli Cain and Thompson were dropped from consideration. The only kid we'd take now is a transfer that was experienced, and preferably eligible right away. Five freshman isn't happening. Need to balance the classes with a Jr/Sr.
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 24, 2015 18:55:20 GMT -5
Did we ever have a shot at Cain?
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