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Post by $cott on Jun 6, 2013 15:52:39 GMT -5
If there is ever a time to take a gamble it is now with conference realignment ongoing. The biggest reason no one wants to add us right now is cause we sucked so bad. There is nothing sexy about adding a team with an RPI around 300. Turn things around quick and not only are we the clear cut #1 on the A10 wish list but if the Big East were to hold off on expanding and Siena were to have a big year in two years then couldn't we suddenly be very much in the discussion as an alternative to Dayton or Richmond? Obviously that is a slim chance but turning things around quick is the only way to change it from no chance to slim chance so I am all for taking gambles.
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Post by billmurray on Jun 6, 2013 15:53:39 GMT -5
On a positive note Patsos said he wanted to go hard after the best local talent even if they are a real reach because he wanted them to keep us in mind should they want to transfer. If this happens and it works out well for the kid and Siena, it demonstrates the viability of Siena for a high major local talent to stay home at Siena or to return home if things don't workout on the Higher level.
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 16:57:54 GMT -5
If there is ever a time to take a gamble it is now with conference realignment ongoing. The biggest reason no one wants to add us right now is cause we sucked so bad. There is nothing sexy about adding a team with an RPI around 300. Turn things around quick and not only are we the clear cut #1 on the A10 wish list but if the Big East were to hold off on expanding and Siena were to have a big year in two years then couldn't we suddenly be very much in the discussion as an alternative to Dayton or Richmond? Obviously that is a slim chance but turning things around quick is the only way to change it from no chance to slim chance so I am all for taking gambles. Great post- Absolutely “spot on” . The main reason why we are in the MAAC today is the work the PW did the last 3 years As long as Taran is eligible next year we have almost nothing to lose. The way it currently stands. We have 1 experienced guard . We have no good options at the 2, you are kidding yourself if you think Poole, Adu or Oliver is the answer at the 2. At best with that trio we are looking at game or two over/under 500. With Taran ,( if he buys in) we will probably be a top 4 MAAC team and depending on how the freshmen develop, a tough” out” come MAAC tournament time Even if he doesn’t work out we are no worse off than we currently are, as Hoopjunkie points out it helps balance the classes and in Taran Siena will have one of the more talented guards in the MAAC- a good step in the right direction of putting Siena back on top of the MAAC where we belong
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 17:08:46 GMT -5
Sort of like the negativity you are showing against Taran -- but that's OK right? I should point out you dont know Taran and obviously never saw him play- because if you did you wouldn't be questioning his talent Ok so we know he was suspended at both schools he was previously at but we shouldn't question his character because he is on "our" team now. TOP 100 in high school means nothing to you prove it in college, show me where he has done that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 17:15:52 GMT -5
If we have to have opinions that are always right or are in line with everybody else what's the point of the board then. If people don't agree you don't have to listen were all adults. This fascination with having to be right is silly. I hope the people that are making the decisions for the program are the ones who always right not some poster on a message board.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jun 6, 2013 17:18:33 GMT -5
I agree that he is a risk? But the upside is much greater than the down side at this point. If he screws up then he is gone and we learn a lesson. If he plays close to potential, we win and put fannies in the seats and gain the corresponding revenue. We are also probably gaining goodwill with the Rocks. Having him and JO can only help with Hood and others
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Post by bigsaintg on Jun 6, 2013 17:20:08 GMT -5
I agree that he is a risk? But the upside is much greater than the down side at this point. If he screws up then he is gone and we learn a lesson. If he plays close to potential, we win and put fannies in the seats and gain the corresponding revenue. We are also probably gaining goodwill with the Rocks. Having him and JO can only help with Hood and others
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 17:21:09 GMT -5
Ok so we know he was suspended at both schools he was previously at but we shouldn't question his character because he is on "our" team now. TOP 100 in high school means nothing to you prove it in college, show me where he has done that. I never said that-- if you dont want him because of his past-- then that's your opinion. To say the kid cant play is beyond ridicules - especially if the people saying he cant play never saw him play. I dont think anyone said taking him is without risk, but the upside potential is considerable. Tell me what the downside is of taking Buie-- other than you dont like his past-- he is a proven double digit scorer that played on a team offense worse than the PW's last year -- and even if you dont like him, looks very likely he is coming, so you wanna bash him all year?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 17:24:52 GMT -5
I never said that-- if you dont want him because of his past-- then that's your opinion. To say the kid cant play is beyond ridicules - especially if the people saying he cant play never saw him play. Tell me what the downside is of taking Buie-- I'm not interested in your or anyone else bashing the kid. Tony how is it bashing the kid to say he has had off the court issues in the past.
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 17:28:45 GMT -5
Tony how is it bashing the kid to say he has had off the court issues in the past. I wasn't insinuating you were bashing him . Like I said I understand people having issues with Taran because of his past.. not because of his talent- he is clearly an upgrade at the two over anything we currently have- the kid has BCS level talent
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 17:41:11 GMT -5
I wasn't insinuating you were bashing him . Like I said I understand people having issues with Taran because of his past.. not because of his talent- he is clearly an upgrade at the two over anything we currently have- the kid has BCS level talent Talent that we currently have yes...as talented maybe as we could possibly recruit? At what cost that's all I'm sayin.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 6, 2013 17:56:19 GMT -5
If there is ever a time to take a gamble it is now with conference realignment ongoing. The biggest reason no one wants to add us right now is cause we sucked so bad. There is nothing sexy about adding a team with an RPI around 300. Turn things around quick and not only are we the clear cut #1 on the A10 wish list but if the Big East were to hold off on expanding and Siena were to have a big year in two years then couldn't we suddenly be very much in the discussion as an alternative to Dayton or Richmond? Obviously that is a slim chance but turning things around quick is the only way to change it from no chance to slim chance so I am all for taking gambles. Great post- Absolutely “spot on” . The main reason why we are in the MAAC today is the work the PW did the last 3 years As long as Taran is eligible next year we have almost nothing to lose. The way it currently stands. We have 1 experienced guard . We have no good options at the 2, you are kidding yourself if you think Poole, Adu or Oliver is the answer at the 2. At best with that trio we are looking at game or two over/under 500. With Taran ,( if he buys in) we will probably be a top 4 MAAC team and depending on how the freshmen develop, a tough” out” come MAAC tournament time Even if he doesn’t work out we are no worse off than we currently are, as Hoopjunkie points out it helps balance the classes and in Taran Siena will have one of the more talented guards in the MAAC- a good step in the right direction of putting Siena back on top of the MAAC where we belong That's where you're mistaken. Siena would most definitely be worse off. You have to look at the big picture and play the long game. The school's APR will already take a hit after the departure of Burdine and Brookins (it is unlikely they graduate elsewhere). If Buie blows up in their face, Siena is in serious APR trouble. He is not worth that. As an alumus of the school, the value of my degree means too much to me to allow kids like this into the school.
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 17:59:03 GMT -5
Talent that we currently have yes...as talented maybe as we could possibly recruit? At what cost that's all I'm sayin. Come on get serious -- where are we going to recruit a kid as talented as Taran in mid June--that can play in 2013/14. Like I said if you dont want him.. but we are not going to get anyone anywhere near his talent level in mid June..if he doesn't work out we are no worse off then we currently are-- if he does work out , Siena will be one of the better tams in MAAC next year-- so whats the downside ?
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 6, 2013 18:11:22 GMT -5
Come on get serious -- where are we going to recruit a kid as talented as Taran in mid June--that can play in 2013/14. Like I said if you dont want him.. but we are not going to get anyone anywhere near his talent level in mid June..if he doesn't work out we are no worse off then we currently are-- if he does work out , Siena will be one of the better tams in MAAC next year-- so whats the downside ? There's no question that Buie is talented. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. But the kid has a criminal past, and they just got rid of another of those. Also, if he doesn't work out, that's three recent players who didn't graduate. Do you have any idea what that does to the APR? Plus Siena prides itself on its top 10 nationally graduation rates. Buie is not worth all the potential damage he could cause to all these statistics. Let's be honest - if he was in play for Iona, most here would be all over them for taking him. Let's not be hyprocrites. Players of this sort are not what Siena is all about. I want to win as much as anyone, but not like this.
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 6, 2013 18:33:50 GMT -5
Come on get serious -- where are we going to recruit a kid as talented as Taran in mid June--that can play in 2013/14. Like I said if you dont want him.. but we are not going to get anyone anywhere near his talent level in mid June..if he doesn't work out we are no worse off then we currently are-- if he does work out , Siena will be one of the better tams in MAAC next year-- so whats the downside ? There's no question that Buie is talented. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. But the kid has a criminal past, and they just got rid of another of those. Also, if he doesn't work out, that's three recent players who didn't graduate. Do you have any idea what that does to the APR? Plus Siena prides itself on its top 10 nationally graduation rates. Buie is not worth all the potential damage he could cause to all these statistics. Let's be honest - if he was in play for Iona, most here would be all over them for taking him. Let's not be hyprocrites. Players of this sort are not what Siena is all about. I want to win as much as anyone, but not like this. OMG! Relax, it's not the end of the world! You are so wrong on so many fronts I don't know where to start. Maybe if the kid has some stability w/ a coach and good kids around him, he'll rise to the occasion. I really believe Patsos gets through to kids. Maybe this is all Buie needs.
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