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Post by Sienafan on Jun 6, 2013 10:10:33 GMT -5
I beg to differ- I would say you haven’t seen much of Taran playing if you think he is not good, in fact if he’s eligible this year , he will be ALL MAAC good. Listen we all understand taking Taran is a ‘gamble” , but the kid will be one of the most talented players in the MAAC this year, we are in June and currently have 1 experienced guard on the roster. We have no good options at the 2 spot. And if we play Poole at the two, it hurts us defensively as he will struggle to guard that position, by moving Poole back to the 3, it strengthens the 3 spot, shores up the two, and gives an experienced player that can play the one also. So this one signing really improves the team at 3 positions, gives an inexperienced team some much needed experience If Taran is eligible this year , I like the makeup of the team, we will have 3 good guards in Taran, Hymes and Wright. Poole at the 3, JO at the 4—and Lavon backing up both positions, Silas at the 5 backed up by Bisping. 8 solid players for the playing group-- with Audu and Oliver fighting for the 9th playing spot Overall no denying taking a chance on Buie is a risk, but if it pays off the reward will be great also - keep an open mind I get that he has the physical ability. I question his shooting stroke (28% career from three over 211 attempts), court IQ (31.5% career overall FG%), and decision making (career 57 to 100 assist to TO ratio). Also, for a quick 6-2 guard to only have 30 steals in over 1131 career mins brings up questions about his defensive intensity. He's also a sub 70% FT shooter. Now you can possibly chalk some of this up to being on bad teams, but he's clearly got an uphill climb to become an all-league type of player... in any D1 league. As someone who doesn't live in Albany anymore, I've noticed the local tendency to overrate capital region players a bit. Taran was highly thought of once but he's basically been a bust. I might even take an injured Brookins before him based on past history. At least he forces turnovers before chucking bad shots, and he shoots better from the FT line. As horrid as Brookins was last year, he still shot better overall than Buie did. Think about that. I don't think you can hold is freshman season in the Big 10 on a team that would have struggled in the MAAC against him. As Penn State's highest-ever rated recruit, they unfairly expected him to come in and save the program as a freshman. His sophomore year at Hofstra, he tried to carry the whole team as a result of all the suspensions. Opposing defenses keyed on him with no one else to worry about and the stats you see are the result. Despite all that he was Hofstra's leading scorer. He's a Bleacher Report top 20 transfer for a reason. And on a team where everyone contributes, he would be able to do his thing and be a star. SO I have to disagree with you on his talent level. He's definitely a stud. That said, I am with you and still don't want him at Siena. You don't get rid of one cancer only to replace him with another. Who wants to have to worry about locking up their iPhone around their teammate?
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Post by mjs72 on Jun 6, 2013 10:35:28 GMT -5
"In Jimmy I trust" or at least I think I do. But the ghosts of Richie Furr and Tezmar Caldwell keep haunting me on this signing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 10:41:34 GMT -5
I get that he has the physical ability. I question his shooting stroke (28% career from three over 211 attempts), court IQ (31.5% career overall FG%), and decision making (career 57 to 100 assist to TO ratio). Also, for a quick 6-2 guard to only have 30 steals in over 1131 career mins brings up questions about his defensive intensity. He's also a sub 70% FT shooter. Now you can possibly chalk some of this up to being on bad teams, but he's clearly got an uphill climb to become an all-league type of player... in any D1 league. As someone who doesn't live in Albany anymore, I've noticed the local tendency to overrate capital region players a bit. Taran was highly thought of once but he's basically been a bust. I might even take an injured Brookins before him based on past history. At least he forces turnovers before chucking bad shots, and he shoots better from the FT line. As horrid as Brookins was last year, he still shot better overall than Buie did. Think about that. I don't think you can hold is freshman season in the Big 10 on a team that would have struggled in the MAAC against him. As Penn State's highest-ever rated recruit, they unfairly expected him to come in and save the program as a freshman. His sophomore year at Hofstra, he tried to carry the whole team as a result of all the suspensions. Opposing defenses keyed on him with no one else to worry about and the stats you see are the result. Despite all that he was Hofstra's leading scorer. He's a Bleacher Report top 20 transfer for a reason. And on a team where everyone contributes, he would be able to do his thing and be a star. SO I have to disagree with you on his talent level. He's definitely a stud. That said, I am with you and still don't want him at Siena. You don't get rid of one cancer only to replace him with another. Who wants to have to worry about locking up their iPhone around their teammate? Bleacher Report? We make fun of that every year for a reason. Buie wasn't even the PG at Hoftra. Stevie Mejia was ALL year and Buie still turned it over 91 times, with only 48 assists. Mejia technically scored more points than Buie did and he found a way to have 63 steals, have a positive assist ratio, and shoot over 33% from three. Why couldn't Buie? The only reason Buie averaged more per game was because he played in 2 less games cause of a suspension was a complete gunner from everywhere when he played. Another inefficient gunner like Brookins was last year is not what we need, behavior aside.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 10:58:41 GMT -5
If he was a regular student, you wouldn't care how many schools he went to. Why does it matter with an athlete? This is a ridiculous question. Can you remind me of the last time we discussed an incoming transfer of a non athlete on this board please? Um, that was kind of my point. Nobody discusses that anywhere. College students transfer quite regularly. Why shouldn't a student athlete be able to?
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 6, 2013 11:30:07 GMT -5
Let Patsos do his thing, maybe Buie thrives under his guidance. KK give the kid a break freshman in the Big 10, toss those stats out and Hofstra was a train wreck last year.
As of now I don't think we know what we have w/ Buie but potential, Lets see what the kid can do before we say he can't play or is overrated.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 6, 2013 11:31:26 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous question. Can you remind me of the last time we discussed an incoming transfer of a non athlete on this board please? Um, that was kind of my point. Nobody discusses that anywhere. College students transfer quite regularly. Why shouldn't a student athlete be able to? Non athletes aren't in the public eye, thereby in the position to damage the reputation of the school and its athletic programs if they screw up. Non athletes are also not in a position to poison a team's chemistry if they aren't good teammates. Taran may turn out to be a non-problem, which would be great. To suggest that an athlete's transfer is no different than any other student's transfer, however, is absurdly naive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 11:39:15 GMT -5
Let Patsos do his thing, maybe Buie thrives under his guidance. KK give the kid a break freshman in the Big 10, toss those stats out and Hofstra was a train wreck last year. As of now I don't think we know what we have w/ Buie but potential, Lets see what the kid can do before we say he can't play or is overrated. If I toss out his freshman year stats, his averages get worse lol.
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 6, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -5
My point is toss all stats and let the kid stand on his own at Siena. Let Patsos see if he can bring out the best in him and maybe we find out the kid matured. He showed flashes of playing well at Hofstra when he had players on the floor. It all appeared to tank after the suspensions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 12:04:07 GMT -5
My point is toss all stats and let the kid stand on his own at Siena. Let Patsos see if he can bring out the best in him and maybe we find out the kid matured. He showed flashes of playing well at Hofstra when he had players on the floor. It all appeared to tank after the suspensions. That's fine but then people shouldn't call him a "stud." They should call him a big risk that has some potential.
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 6, 2013 12:45:26 GMT -5
My point is toss all stats and let the kid stand on his own at Siena. Let Patsos see if he can bring out the best in him and maybe we find out the kid matured. He showed flashes of playing well at Hofstra when he had players on the floor. It all appeared to tank after the suspensions. That's fine but then people shouldn't call him a "stud." They should call him a big risk that has some potential. Remember guys - KK is the same guy that made every excuse in the book for the PW, overlooked an unbelievable amount of the PWs failures and early transgressions as Siena HC so take his judgement for what its worth...
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Post by $cott on Jun 6, 2013 12:45:47 GMT -5
My point is toss all stats and let the kid stand on his own at Siena. Let Patsos see if he can bring out the best in him and maybe we find out the kid matured. He showed flashes of playing well at Hofstra when he had players on the floor. It all appeared to tank after the suspensions. That's fine but then people shouldn't call him a "stud." They should call him a big risk that has some potential. Small risk that has a lot of potential. Regardless of how the last three years have turned out, Buie was the #95 recruit in the ESPN Top 100. As far as I know, Siena has never had a former top 100 recruit at any point. So I think there is a lot of potential. Plus, what is really the risk? One screwup and the kid is gone and we are in the same boat as if we had left the scholarship open. If he plays with a low shooting percentage and turns the ball over too much then Jimmy can always bench him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 13:15:13 GMT -5
That's fine but then people shouldn't call him a "stud." They should call him a big risk that has some potential. Remember guys - KK is the same guy that made every excuse in the book for the PW, overlooked an unbelievable amount of the PWs failures and early transgressions as Siena HC so take his judgement for what its worth... Ok, there it is. Because the board got overly negative towards the program, I tried to reign it in. Never said he was the answer. As a matter of fact, before MB1 started, I was the negative one towards how he was recruiting. I did pick 6 of the 10 places in the MAAC standings exactly last year. I'm certainly not infallible, but I'm certainly not 'bad' at predicting the outcomes either. But, if you're going to continue to bring up this battle again, please let me know, and I'll just leave now cause it makes the board no fun at all.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 6, 2013 13:27:55 GMT -5
Remember guys - KK is the same guy that made every excuse in the book for the PW, overlooked an unbelievable amount of the PWs failures and early transgressions as Siena HC so take his judgement for what its worth... Ok, there it is. Because the board got overly negative towards the program, I tried to reign it in. Never said he was the answer. As a matter of fact, before MB1 started, I was the negative one towards how he was recruiting. I did pick 6 of the 10 places in the MAAC standings exactly last year. I'm certainly not infallible, but I'm certainly not 'bad' at predicting the outcomes either. But, if you're going to continue to bring up this battle again, please let me know, and I'll just leave now cause it makes the board no fun at all. Any kid that was offered by Notre Dame and Ga. Tech can probably play a little in a MAAC program Now, IF he's eligible this year and has 2 left, i can see whay JP will take him. It's a "dead" scholarship right now anyways because we should be trying to balance the classes. Bringing in a junior eligible makes sense. With that, I'm still wary of Buies behavior. This could easily be a home run, as it could be a strikeout.
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 14:54:49 GMT -5
Agreed – it’s a gamble with Taran—but not for talent reasons.. I will say I get why some are wary of him, and justifiably so- but talent sure isn’t one of them .. the kid never has played for a coach and a system that fit him- with Taran, Hymes and Wright we will have a back court that can flat out play fast- on both sides of the ball – with Taran on the team, this Siena team might be top 4—without him we will struggle to win 13 games. If he can keep his nose clean this signing can easily be a home run, and as long as he is eligible this year- very little “downside’ ..
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 15:23:47 GMT -5
Because the board got overly negative towards the program, I tried to reign it in. . Sort of like the negativity you are showing against Taran -- but that's OK right? I should point out you dont know Taran and obviously never saw him play- because if you did you wouldn't be questioning his talent
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