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Post by hoopdad on Nov 25, 2024 17:25:01 GMT -5
Man this site is D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!! Carm put the program and the fanbase on life support the last few years. Hopefully both bounce back sooner than later! After a poor game peformance like this one there used to be pages and pages of posts. Not any more. Even the wins don't bring out many posts these days. Very Sad.
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Post by johndoh12 on Nov 25, 2024 17:30:10 GMT -5
I'm sure many of us had to work today, like I did. Can't comment on what I didn't see. I do count on the board to fill me in when this is the case. Seems like we will continue to have to grow and learn. I am still fully supportive of GMac and his staff.
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Post by hoopdad on Nov 25, 2024 17:51:23 GMT -5
I'm sure many of us had to work today, like I did. Can't comment on what I didn't see. I do count on the board to fill me in when this is the case. Seems like we will continue to have to grow and learn. I am still fully supportive of GMac and his staff. Valid point, though this activity on this site is way down this year. 100% in support of GMAC and his staff. This season is a learning experience for them in many ways. I do expect the team to improve throughout the year and be competitive in the MAAC. After a year of experience it will very interesting to see what adjustments Coach makes. |
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Post by MTS on Nov 25, 2024 18:04:37 GMT -5
Man this site is D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!! Carm put the program and the fanbase on life support the last few years. Hopefully both bounce back sooner than later! After a poor game peformance like this one there used to be pages and pages of posts. Not any more. Even the wins don't bring out many posts these days. Very Sad. It wasn’t just Carm. It was two of his predecessors too plus a third that ran out of town (and subsequently bombed out). The fans will be back but you have to win. Bigly. I also think people know there will be ups and downs. But 3-3 after 6 games with basically a whole new squad I think most would have taken that. I want to see us play our best basketball in February and March and not peak in December and January. |
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Post by Papi on Nov 25, 2024 20:21:56 GMT -5
Man this site is D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!! Carm put the program and the fanbase on life support the last few years. Hopefully both bounce back sooner than later! After a poor game peformance like this one there used to be pages and pages of posts. Not any more. Even the wins don't bring out many posts these days. Very Sad. You got that right. This place has died, any game would get 10 to 20 pages of posts. Nobody cares after Carm destroyed the program with his nonsense slogans and non coaching ability. Mitch and JP still had fans showing up and posting on here Carm killed it. When only 3k to 3500 show up at MVP for the first 2 games under a new coach things are definitely not what they should be. I have no idea what happens going forward but it is definitely a sign people found other options and Siena basketball is not on the top of the list. |
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Post by blockhead43 on Nov 25, 2024 21:15:12 GMT -5
The program is in the midst of a complete rebuild. I'd be happy with 10 to 12 wins this season. The program was literally run into the ground. It's going to take time to get people to return, and Siena will have to start being competitive and winning to get people to lay down money for tickets, parking and pre-gaming. People are ticked off about the past decade, where they were charged more money each season for tickets and the team was of championship caliber once or twice. That's on the admin for letting things get so bad. The revolving door with rosters each season because of the portal certainly won't help.
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Post by glen on Nov 26, 2024 6:22:15 GMT -5
An 11am game when people are working doesn't help but it is the decade of losing plus the nagging thought in the back of people's minds that any of these kids that do blossom are out of here leaving us exactly where we are today. Heck how many can even name the top 10 players? I've been a die hard since the mid-80's. It is hard to be that invested anymore. I'm supportive of GMac but he needs to deliver. His year-1 recruiting was decent and we'll see where we are in March. My gut is we need more on several fronts...and that's assuming we don't lose much. I put this not on any one coach but on the admins. Bad hire after bad hire. We should have been in a great position when NIL came around, instead we were on life support. I understand giving a coach latitude but when you see they aren't adjusting to the environment you need to step in and say something. You don't just let them crash and burn. D'Arg let it happen. He game Mitch way too much rope when everyone could see it wasn't going to work. He let Patsos take vaca during a prime recruiting time and he let Carm skip the portal. Even if you consider the head coach to be the CEO, the chairman of the board still has a responsibility!
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Post by greengold4ever on Nov 26, 2024 9:51:01 GMT -5
An 11am game when people are working doesn't help but it is the decade of losing plus the nagging thought in the back of people's minds that any of these kids that do blossom are out of here leaving us exactly where we are today. Heck how many can even name the top 10 players? I've been a die hard since the mid-80's. It is hard to be that invested anymore. I'm supportive of GMac but he needs to deliver. His year-1 recruiting was decent and we'll see where we are in March. My gut is we need more on several fronts...and that's assuming we don't lose much. I put this not on any one coach but on the admins. Bad hire after bad hire. We should have been in a great position when NIL came around, instead we were on life support. I understand giving a coach latitude but when you see they aren't adjusting to the environment you need to step in and say something. You don't just let them crash and burn. D'Arg let it happen. He game Mitch way too much rope when everyone could see it wasn't going to work. He let Patsos take vaca during a prime recruiting time and he let Carm skip the portal. Even if you consider the head coach to be the CEO, the chairman of the board still has a responsibility! Mitch-Patsos-Carm was overall not a good stretch for this program................there were some shining moments though, Siena won the CBI with Patsos and did lose a MAAC final in OT to Iona after an underperforming reg season, Carm's teams with Pickett & Camper were good......however none of them got us to the Big Dance (14yrs and counting) which is always the ultimate goal..........plus the common thread is the AD, a change would be welcomed just from the stance of getting some new blood in the position to reinvigorate the overall athletic programs.................AND probably the other gorilla in the room for the hoop program with regards to fan support is the new world of today's college basketball, with the transfer portal allowing anyone to leave & go anywhere, plus you add in the NIL piece as well and it becomes very difficult for a mid-major (if there is such a thing anymore) like Siena to have any continuity or sustained success for any long periods of time........I know some will argue that it isn't impossible (Becker at UVM is one that comes to mind who continues to win consistently), but there aren't many that do regularly keep players or a winning string of seasons together, and that puts a big strain on keeping the fanbase on board, just saying.............. |
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Post by glen on Nov 26, 2024 12:14:49 GMT -5
Well, I think sustained success will look different. You won't have a Rossiter developing for 4 years, you won't keep Ubiles, Moore and Franklin for 4 years. You can pull the parts you need from other sources though...D2, NAIA, JuCo, D1 down transfers, etc. Frankly I would probably not recruit a true freshman unless I thought they'd start day 1. I'd want proven capability, regardless of the level they are coming from. The Saints' NIL isn't BCS level by any stretch but we have to be in the mix with the rest of what's out there. The key is identifying the right talent.
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Post by $cott on Nov 26, 2024 13:18:34 GMT -5
Well, I think sustained success will look different. You won't have a Rossiter developing for 4 years, you won't keep Ubiles, Moore and Franklin for 4 years. You can pull the parts you need from other sources though...D2, NAIA, JuCo, D1 down transfers, etc. Frankly I would probably not recruit a true freshman unless I thought they'd start day 1. I'd want proven capability, regardless of the level they are coming from. The Saints' NIL isn't BCS level by any stretch but we have to be in the mix with the rest of what's out there. The key is identifying the right talent. I actually think cause there is so much focus on the other sources that you mentioned that the best chance of the diamond in the rough is with the freshman. If I've got 15 scholarships to work with then I'm bringing in 3 or 4 freshman every year and then filling the remaining holes via the portal. With the freshman you at least are bringing in a kid who might actually want to spend 4 years at one program. With the transfers they have already indicated that they are willing to jump around year to year to find the best deal. |
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Post by fanimal1 on Nov 26, 2024 16:25:16 GMT -5
Man this site is D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!! Carm put the program and the fanbase on life support the last few years. Hopefully both bounce back sooner than later! After a poor game peformance like this one there used to be pages and pages of posts. Not any more. Even the wins don't bring out many posts these days. Very Sad. this site is dead but so was the team effort yesterday(last 4 mins they managed a tiny spark ..)- tournament site was dead too.We were there -sat behind the team.Siena was cold in shooting and the arena was freezing-wore our jackets ... Only highlight was reconnecting with a former Siena player-we attended with... Siena had ZERO -absolutely nothing for alum who arent big donors. No events, no get together... Like they could care less anyone was there in contrast we attended Gulf Coast game a few years back (under Patsos)and there were alumni and season ticket events both pre and post... Really disappointing and a lost opportunity for John D to schmooze with alumni and maybe even collect some NIL money. There was an event-invitation only for the big donors,but hey we all have something to offer maybe besides our continued fandom of Siena bball... |
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Post by MTS on Nov 26, 2024 17:32:08 GMT -5
Man this site is D-E-A-D, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!! Carm put the program and the fanbase on life support the last few years. Hopefully both bounce back sooner than later! After a poor game peformance like this one there used to be pages and pages of posts. Not any more. Even the wins don't bring out many posts these days. Very Sad. this site is dead but so was the team effort yesterday(last 4 mins they managed a spark but really it was an ember...)-the tournament site was dead too... we were there -sat behind the team.Our team was cold as in shooting and the arena was freezing-wore our jackets too... Only highlight was reconnecting with a former Siena player we attended Siena with... Siena also had zero -absolutely nothing for alum who arent big donors. No events, no get together... we also attended Gulf Coastback a few years back (under Patsos)and at least there was an alumni event both pre and post...Really disappointing and a lost opportunity for John D to schmooze with alumni and maybe even collect some NIL money. There was an event-invitation only for the big donors but hey we all have something to offer maybe besides our continued fandom of Siena bball... D’Arg needs to retire. It’s time. Way overdue. Give someone else a chance he’s been here for way too long. Hopefully GMAC will be a HR but it’s time for a new AD who is basketball centric. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 27, 2024 10:20:45 GMT -5
The interest, or lack thereof, is across the board at the MM level. Lets face it, NCAA D-1 basketball has become MLB. There's a 100 schools that fight over what players they're going to steal from the other 250.
Siena, Iona, Manhattan etc. are now officially minor league systems for the big boy$. The days of uncovering a diamond in the rough (Mark Brown, Doremus, Jalen etc....) and have them stay for a majority of their career is over.
Like a food chain, we are regulated to raiding the lower levels (D2, D3, JC), and even high schools (Doty & Jones) to fill our talent depleted rosters. Every kid looking to "get his" somewhere else. Obviously, in our case, a head coaching change certainly contributes to our roster getting ravaged.
The only thing that could maybe put a band aid on this bullet hole is bringing back the transfer/must sit year back. Right now its the Wild West and we're armed with water pistols
Its tough to ask such loyal fanbase like ours to learn the names of 10 new kids every year. The loyalty needs to go both ways, and right now kids are all playing with their suitcase still packed. Its demoralizing.
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Post by rizman on Nov 28, 2024 22:31:20 GMT -5
True that HJ...look at UA football, in the old days after last year their program would be on fire. Instead they all leave for $$. Sad
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Post by glen on Nov 29, 2024 6:21:01 GMT -5
Even if GMac gets kids to stay for a few years, if he gets us where we want to be (I hope he can) then he'll be gone too...along with most of the team. They need to change something to settle this down. I'm for 1-4 year committed scholarships with an out for a coaching change. This would provide a little more certainty for everyone involved.
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