SaintMisbehavin
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Mar 14, 2013 13:45:42 GMT -5
This year, scott. Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky. They might this year but only because their top team lost in the conference tourney. To me, a multi bid league is when your second place team is good enough to get in the NCAA. Had Siena lost in the conference tourney at least one of the years the MAAC would have got multiple bids. In the last 10+ years the Sun Belt only got 2 teams in once in 2008 where they went 0-2. They are probably as close to equal to the MAAC as you can find in college basketball over the past 10 years. +1. I'd consider them very similar to the MAAC. In fact, I believe WKU (with Courtney Lee) and Siena were the only two teams to win NCAA games in two consecutive seasons as teams seeded 9 or higher. |
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Post by billmurray on Mar 14, 2013 13:48:53 GMT -5
with Siena out and Quinnipiac and Monmouth in the low end may dip into the mid 20s on bad years If Siena is out, who cares where the MAAC might finish? I didn't want to bad mouth the MAAC too badly SF and S-2 where the bottom of the MAAC is matters in that it is a reason for leaving the MAAC. My point is that while a marginal move up may not seem too enticing, the ability to limit the downside, which impacts Siena's RPI, is worth the move in itself. |
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 13:57:22 GMT -5
The comparison only effects Siena if they stay, so it's not really meaningful to say what the MAAC would be without them.
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Post by brian on Mar 14, 2013 14:02:16 GMT -5
Sun Belt is losing FAU, FIU, MTSU, and North Texas after this year to CUSA anyhow.
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 14:07:57 GMT -5
You're right, Brian. They are adding some teams as well. All the conference realignment isn't done yet. Sun Belt lost several teams in last decade or so. Traditionally very strong league, though.
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Post by knicksaint on Mar 14, 2013 14:09:47 GMT -5
On what planet is the Sun Belt better than what would be left of the A10? The Sun Belt is similar to the MAAC, nowhere in the league of the teams that would be left in the A10. The Sun Belt is far superior to the MAAC. Traditionally a multi bid league and numerous players moving on to the NBA. Look it up. I did. Per an article in the Tennessean on March 4 talking about Middle Tennessee's chances for a bid if it didn't win the SBC tournament (which it did not do), the Sun Belt has had multiple bids once in the last 20 years, in 2008. I believe the MAAC has two in the same period. |
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 14:27:57 GMT -5
Actually, 1994 isn't 20 years ago, so the article was wrong. If that's how you define traditionally, as 20 years, the multi bids may be equal. The SUN BELT still has less bottom feeders, better players, and a better RPI, so it is better. However, the original comparison was to the "new" A-10 and most of those teams ARE bottom feeders.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 14, 2013 15:06:11 GMT -5
The comparison only effects Siena if they stay, so it's not really meaningful to say what the MAAC would be without them. With or without Siena I see the MAAC trending down. If Siena does not move, by association, Siena is moving down. |
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Post by $cott on Mar 14, 2013 15:16:21 GMT -5
Actually, 1994 isn't 20 years ago, so the article was wrong. If that's how you define traditionally, as 20 years, the multi bids may be equal. The SUN BELT still has less bottom feeders, better players, and a better RPI, so it is better. However, the original comparison was to the "new" A-10 and most of those teams ARE bottom feeders. The Sun Belt has more teams below 300 in the RPI this year than the MAAC, equal teams over 250, more teams over 200, and less teams in the top 150. And the MAAC is ahead in overall RPI. But don't let facts get in the way of your point. |
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Post by $cott on Mar 14, 2013 15:23:29 GMT -5
Also the MAAC has been ahead of the Sun Belt now in RPI for 5 straight years. So if anything, I was probably giving them too much credit by saying they were equal to the MAAC.
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 15:56:28 GMT -5
You win Scott. You are also the only one who cares about the Sun Belt so much. The point is and was, many leagues are better than the "new" A-10. The A-10 normally ranks 7-10 in RPI, occasionally slightly higher. They are losing their best teams, they won't be consistent top 10 league. Should Siena go? Yes. Is it a huge jump? No.
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Post by glen on Mar 14, 2013 16:05:32 GMT -5
Yep, the new A10 isn't nearly what it was with SLU/Xavier/Dayton/Butler but the MAAC isn't what it has been either. Still, the MAAC seems to be dropping like a rock. Moving (a hopefully improved) Siena to A10 and adding Quinny/Mon to the the MAAC over time will have a real impact on both leagues. Imagine a Fran-caliber coach running the ship in the new league. We'd realistically be looking at at-large seasons.
My prediction is that the new A10 becomes a 1-bid league in out of the 3 years with the 3rd year having 2 or 3 bids. That's still WAY better than the MAAC on average and definitely better after RPI crushers are added. La Salle, St. Joes, Bona, Siena (when fixed), VCU all have shown the propensity to have NCAA winning teams. It would definitely be the right move.
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Post by knicksaint on Mar 14, 2013 16:27:41 GMT -5
Actually, 1994 isn't 20 years ago, so the article was wrong. If that's how you define traditionally, as 20 years, the multi bids may be equal. The SUN BELT still has less bottom feeders, better players, and a better RPI, so it is better. However, the original comparison was to the "new" A-10 and most of those teams ARE bottom feeders. Who said anything about 1994? I didn't and neither did the article. And by the way, the MAAc's first year with two bids was 1995, when Manhattan, the at-large selecton, beat Oklahoma. |
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Post by billmurray on Mar 14, 2013 16:59:28 GMT -5
Well it looks like if the offer is made and accepted the fanbase would support a ticket price increase, but more corporate $ and Saints Alive cash would be needed if the exit and entrance fees are going to be covered. Get ready to pony up boys.
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 17:26:18 GMT -5
Actually, 1994 isn't 20 years ago, so the article was wrong. If that's how you define traditionally, as 20 years, the multi bids may be equal. The SUN BELT still has less bottom feeders, better players, and a better RPI, so it is better. However, the original comparison was to the "new" A-10 and most of those teams ARE bottom feeders. Who said anything about 1994? I didn't and neither did the article. And by the way, the MAAc's first year with two bids was 1995, when Manhattan, the at-large selecton, beat Oklahoma. I know you didn't,that doesn't mean it didn't happen. You read one article and believed it told everything. The Sun Belt had 2 bids in 1994. Now I'm done. Scott took us way off topic. To clarify, you DID say 2008 was only time in last 20 years. That's why 1994 was mentioned. |
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