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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 14, 2013 12:31:04 GMT -5
If Siena were looking to move up and with that came an increase in ticket prices, how much would you be willing to pay? Think about what you pay now and what you would be willing to part with?
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 12:39:59 GMT -5
I think it depends on how far "up" they move. The new A-10 doesn't look nearly as strong as before, it's not actually a huge move. They will be lucky to be a top 10 league any year. Big 10, Big 12, Big East, PAC-12, America 12, MWC, and MVC are easily better. Possibly CUSA and Sun Belt most years. WCC most years. The new A,10 shouldn't require a huge increase. The stronger the new league, the more I'd be willing to increase.
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Post by greenblood on Mar 14, 2013 12:43:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the poll. I was thinking it would be another good service the board could provide the AD!
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Post by mattglassman312 on Mar 14, 2013 13:05:08 GMT -5
Here are the attendance figures from last year in the A-10:
Dayton 12,154 Xavier 10,155 Temple 8,165 Saint Louis 7,757 VCU 7,622 Butler 6,599 Charlotte, 6,001 Richmond 5,660 UMASS 4,279 St. Joe's 4,197 St, Bona 3,926 Rhode Island 3,829 Dusquene 3,204 GW 2,561 Fordham 2,343 LaSalle 2,209
The key question, of course, is what were they charging to get these numbers, and what would we have to charge.
If they are charging the same as Siena does right now, we certainly look competitive as far as turnout goes. If they are charging less, we look even better. But if they are charging a lot more, I don't see a lot of room for attendance growth for us. Even four years ago, when we arguably had a team that could have won the A-10, I don't think we draw 10k for any game on this list. Maybe Xavier.
I think people are kidding themselves if they think our attendance will go through the roof in the A-10. I can't imagine us getting to much more than 8-9k, even if we don't raise prices.
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Post by $cott on Mar 14, 2013 13:11:04 GMT -5
I think it depends on how far "up" they move. The new A-10 doesn't look nearly as strong as before, it's not actually a huge move. They will be lucky to be a top 10 league any year. Big 10, Big 12, Big East, PAC-12, America 12, MWC, and MVC are easily better. Possibly CUSA and Sun Belt most years. WCC most years. The new A,10 shouldn't require a huge increase. The stronger the new league, the more I'd be willing to increase. On what planet is the Sun Belt better than what would be left of the A10? The Sun Belt is similar to the MAAC, nowhere in the league of the teams that would be left in the A10.
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Post by mjs72 on Mar 14, 2013 13:13:23 GMT -5
Hasn't the cost been projected to be $2ml for a move to the A10 for all sports? No way that gets made up just by increasing ticket prices. Aren't we looking at things like seat licenses to get season tickets, greatly increasing premium seating options and costs etc. Without real involvement by high end boosters and corporate sponsors, this would be a difficult move for the college to make
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 14, 2013 13:16:23 GMT -5
I think it depends on how far "up" they move. The new A-10 doesn't look nearly as strong as before, it's not actually a huge move. They will be lucky to be a top 10 league any year. Big 10, Big 12, Big East, PAC-12, America 12, MWC, and MVC are easily better. Possibly CUSA and Sun Belt most years. WCC most years. The new A,10 shouldn't require a huge increase. The stronger the new league, the more I'd be willing to increase. On what planet is the Sun Belt better than what would be left of the A10? The Sun Belt is similar to the MAAC, nowhere in the league of the teams that would be left in the A10. and this new A-10 or whatever they name it...............will at the very least be a top 10 league...............so example even if it is #10, that is much better than the MAAC, because adding Monmouth & Qunnipiac isn't raising the league rating, in fact the loss of Loyola along with those additions pushes the rating closer to the AEast!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 13:17:12 GMT -5
I think it depends on how far "up" they move. The new A-10 doesn't look nearly as strong as before, it's not actually a huge move. They will be lucky to be a top 10 league any year. Big 10, Big 12, Big East, PAC-12, America 12, MWC, and MVC are easily better. Possibly CUSA and Sun Belt most years. WCC most years. The new A,10 shouldn't require a huge increase. The stronger the new league, the more I'd be willing to increase. On what planet is the Sun Belt better than what would be left of the A10? The Sun Belt is similar to the MAAC, nowhere in the league of the teams that would be left in the A10. The Sun Belt is far superior to the MAAC. Traditionally a multi bid league and numerous players moving on to the NBA. Look it up.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 14, 2013 13:24:07 GMT -5
Bottomline, moving to the A-10, if offered, is not going to be a major league jump. The realigned A-10 is probably a top 10-12 type league year in and year out. The MAAC with Quinny and Monmouth is probably maxed out at 14 with a low end in of 18-20. It would be a marginal move up most years, but it significantly delimits the downside. It has the potential to be a two bid league, the realigned MAAC will not afford that possibility. Iona's bid last year for the MAAC was a once in a lifetime event for the MAAC.
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 14, 2013 13:31:10 GMT -5
Bottomline, moving to the A-10, if offered, is not going to be a major league jump. The realigned A-10 is probably a top 10-12 type league year in and year out. The MAAC with Quinny and Monmouth is probably maxed out at 14 with a low end in of 18-20. It would be a marginal move up most years, but it significantly delimits the downside. It has the potential to be a two bid league, the realigned MAAC will not afford that possibility. Iona's bid last year for the MAAC was a once in a lifetime event for the MAAC. with Siena out and Quinnipiac and Monmouth in the low end may dip into the mid 20s on bad years
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Post by $cott on Mar 14, 2013 13:31:15 GMT -5
On what planet is the Sun Belt better than what would be left of the A10? The Sun Belt is similar to the MAAC, nowhere in the league of the teams that would be left in the A10. The Sun Belt is far superior to the MAAC. Traditionally a multi bid league and numerous players moving on to the NBA. Look it up. The Sun Belt has had exactly one team win an NCAA tournament game since 1992. The MAAC has had three different teams win a game since 2004. I remember Western Kentucky and South Alabama getting in a few years back for the Sun Belt. When else have they got multiple bids recently?
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 13:35:49 GMT -5
Thank you, bill. It is a decent move, no doubt. Not nearly as good as some seem to think. Based on the attendance numbers just posted, Siena is already #1. Siena has much more recent tourney success than the teams left. It's not a huge leap and doesn't deserve a huge increase. Over the last decade, Siena averages almost exactly 100,000 fans per year at about $$18 per seat. A 15-20% increase in price and an extra 1-2,000 fans is still a huge total for the school.
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 13:38:35 GMT -5
Bottomline, moving to the A-10, if offered, is not going to be a major league jump. The realigned A-10 is probably a top 10-12 type league year in and year out. The MAAC with Quinny and Monmouth is probably maxed out at 14 with a low end in of 18-20. It would be a marginal move up most years, but it significantly delimits the downside. It has the potential to be a two bid league, the realigned MAAC will not afford that possibility. Iona's bid last year for the MAAC was a once in a lifetime event for the MAAC. with Siena out and Quinnipiac and Monmouth in the low end may dip into the mid 20s on bad years If Siena is out, who cares where the MAAC might finish?
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Post by section2 on Mar 14, 2013 13:39:45 GMT -5
This year, scott. Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky.
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Post by $cott on Mar 14, 2013 13:42:56 GMT -5
This year, scott. Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky. They might this year but only because their top team lost in the conference tourney. To me, a multi bid league is when your second place team is good enough to get in the NCAA. Had Siena lost in the conference tourney at least one of the years the MAAC would have got multiple bids. In the last 10+ years the Sun Belt only got 2 teams in once in 2008 where they went 0-2. They are probably as close to equal to the MAAC as you can find in college basketball over the past 10 years.
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