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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 22, 2022 9:14:42 GMT -5
If that is what he wanted he wouldn't have transferred to Penn State. He wanted to show he could produce at a Big Six conference and that is what he is doing. maybe so, or the thought was it would also build up his potential NBA draft profile.............however, that ship might have already sailed..........instead, he could have still gone to a power school that would have been a bonafide post season level candidate.......can't tell me that isn't what every college player dreams of, and not experiencing that can be extremely disappointing.......... I believe he’s following the advice he received from the NBA tryouts he attended (and any other advice needed to try and make it to the NBA). I don’t think transferring to a school that was going to make it to the post season was as important than getting a chance at meaningful mins to showcase is talents to the NBA at that higher level. I’m not saying he’ll succeed or not in reaching the NBA, just saying why he chose Penn St over other high majors. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 22, 2022 9:29:48 GMT -5
maybe so, or the thought was it would also build up his potential NBA draft profile.............however, that ship might have already sailed..........instead, he could have still gone to a power school that would have been a bonafide post season level candidate.......can't tell me that isn't what every college player dreams of, and not experiencing that can be extremely disappointing.......... I believe he’s following the advice he received from the NBA tryouts he attended (and any other advice needed to try and make it to the NBA). I don’t think transferring to a school that was going to make it to the post season was as important than getting a chance at meaningful mins to showcase is talents to the NBA at that higher level. I’m not saying he’ll succeed or not in reaching the NBA, just saying why he chose Penn St over other high majors. my feeling was that he could have accomplished all of that in picking the "right" school.............getting quality minutes to prove he could play at a higher level by being at a high profile program AND still getting to post season..............there is something to said for having the icing on the cake.......... |
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Post by $cott on Feb 22, 2022 11:30:37 GMT -5
I believe he’s following the advice he received from the NBA tryouts he attended (and any other advice needed to try and make it to the NBA). I don’t think transferring to a school that was going to make it to the post season was as important than getting a chance at meaningful mins to showcase is talents to the NBA at that higher level. I’m not saying he’ll succeed or not in reaching the NBA, just saying why he chose Penn St over other high majors. my feeling was that he could have accomplished all of that in picking the "right" school.............getting quality minutes to prove he could play at a higher level by being at a high profile program AND still getting to post season..............there is something to said for having the icing on the cake.......... I think part of the reason for Penn State was so his Mom could still drive to all his games. Limited options within driving distance of Rochester for a power conference team that also has a good shot at making the NCAAs. I don't think going and playing a zone at Syracuse would have been what the NBA Scouts were looking for. Five plus hour drives to UConn or Villanova vs 3 and a half to Penn State. |
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 22, 2022 13:16:54 GMT -5
Quick look at the teams of the players who left Siena (for whatever reason) that are or were (denoted with *) on an active D1 roster this season:
Don Carey - Georgetown - 6-20 lost 16 straight
Jalen Pickett - Penn St - 11-13
Jordan King - East Tennessee St - 14-15
Colin Golson - Eastern Michigan - 9-18 and lost 7 of last 8
Dana Tate - Norfolk St - 18-6 - (1st in MEAC)
Roman Penn - Drake - 20-9 won 3 straight only a game out of first in a very jumbled MVC
Sammy Friday - Eastern Illinois - 5-24
*Gary Harris Jr - Loyola Marymount - 9-16 and lost 9 straight
*Sloan Seymour - New Hampshire - 12-12
*Prince Oduro - Detroit Mercy - 12-13
Manny Camper - Grand Rapids Gold - 9-8 (kidding)
I was going to put up a blog post on this topic but I don't have the time. Couple quick thoughts:
- Haven't seen much on Golson or Tate, but both are putting up reputable stats (Golson - 7.8 ppg/4.1rpg in 23.5 mpg) (Tate - 9.1 ppg/5.2 rpg in 23.2 mpg)
- Kind of crazy that there are THREE former players (all the *) that just up and quit on their new teams during the season this year.
- I'm not bringing up the teams' records to suggest "oh look at how bad so-and-so's team is, they should have stayed at Siena instead." No vitriol, just interesting to see how teams are performing.
- I think Penn St. has an opportunity to be decent next year if Pickett returns. Wouldn't say he'll never play in a postseason just yet, year two of the Micah Shrewsberry experience could be interesting in Happy Valley.
- Georgetown is the only P6 team in the country winless in their conference.
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Post by phillyfan on Feb 22, 2022 14:03:26 GMT -5
Where is Tate playing? I missed it...
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 22, 2022 14:09:49 GMT -5
Where is Tate playing? I missed it... We don't drink We don't smoke Norfolk Norfolk Norfolk |
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 22, 2022 14:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by saints15 on Feb 22, 2022 14:43:04 GMT -5
As of today, Pickett leading PSU in scoring (13 per game), assists (4) and blocks (.6) and minutes played. Only weak stat is shooting % at 39.6. But pretty remarkable that he's picking up where he left off at Siena, only now it's in the Big Ten. I'm really happy for him. That 39% shooting stat isn’t going to help his NBA dreams. Someone that has been viewed as not athletic enough, and shoots below 40% isn’t a good combination for the NBA. Wish him the best though! |
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Post by phillyfan on Feb 22, 2022 16:58:07 GMT -5
the other thing i saw in watching thegame last night against Maryland , was how well he was setting up the PSU big man...just like he did Fischer, the center from ND and Stormo at Siena. He'd get into the belly of the defense , attract a doub;e team and then pass off to the big for the score.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 22, 2022 17:44:49 GMT -5
the other thing i saw in watching thegame last night against Maryland , was how well he was setting up the PSU big man...just like he did Fischer, the center from ND and Stormo at Siena. He'd get into the belly of the defense , attract a doub;e team and then pass off to the big for the score. He played well, just had an off shooting night. |
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2022 7:37:02 GMT -5
Quick look at the teams of the players who left Siena (for whatever reason) that are or were (denoted with *) on an active D1 roster this season: Don Carey - Georgetown - 6-20 lost 16 straight Jalen Pickett - Penn St - 11-13 Jordan King - East Tennessee St - 14-15 Colin Golson - Eastern Michigan - 9-18 and lost 7 of last 8 Dana Tate - Norfolk St - 18-6 - (1st in MEAC) Roman Penn - Drake - 20-9 won 3 straight only a game out of first in a very jumbled MVC Sammy Friday - Eastern Illinois - 5-24 *Gary Harris Jr - Loyola Marymount - 9-16 and lost 9 straight *Sloan Seymour - New Hampshire - 12-12 *Prince Oduro - Detroit Mercy - 12-13 Manny Camper - Grand Rapids Gold - 9-8 (kidding) I was going to put up a blog post on this topic but I don't have the time. Couple quick thoughts: - Haven't seen much on Golson or Tate, but both are putting up reputable stats (Golson - 7.8 ppg/4.1rpg in 23.5 mpg) (Tate - 9.1 ppg/5.2 rpg in 23.2 mpg) - Kind of crazy that there are THREE former players (all the *) that just up and quit on their new teams during the season this year. - I'm not bringing up the teams' records to suggest "oh look at how bad so-and-so's team is, they should have stayed at Siena instead." No vitriol, just interesting to see how teams are performing. - I think Penn St. has an opportunity to be decent next year if Pickett returns. Wouldn't say he'll never play in a postseason just yet, year two of the Micah Shrewsberry experience could be interesting in Happy Valley. - Georgetown is the only P6 team in the country winless in their conference. I don't know, I think it's telling and indicative that most of these guys were at the correct level before they left. Of course they left for various reasons not necessarily tied to how well Siena would do if they were here, such is the times. The one exception that most of us all coming is Roman Penn. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 23, 2022 9:53:42 GMT -5
Quick look at the teams of the players who left Siena (for whatever reason) that are or were (denoted with *) on an active D1 roster this season: Don Carey - Georgetown - 6-20 lost 16 straight Jalen Pickett - Penn St - 11-13 Jordan King - East Tennessee St - 14-15 Colin Golson - Eastern Michigan - 9-18 and lost 7 of last 8 Dana Tate - Norfolk St - 18-6 - (1st in MEAC) Roman Penn - Drake - 20-9 won 3 straight only a game out of first in a very jumbled MVC Sammy Friday - Eastern Illinois - 5-24 *Gary Harris Jr - Loyola Marymount - 9-16 and lost 9 straight *Sloan Seymour - New Hampshire - 12-12 *Prince Oduro - Detroit Mercy - 12-13 Manny Camper - Grand Rapids Gold - 9-8 (kidding) I was going to put up a blog post on this topic but I don't have the time. Couple quick thoughts: - Haven't seen much on Golson or Tate, but both are putting up reputable stats (Golson - 7.8 ppg/4.1rpg in 23.5 mpg) (Tate - 9.1 ppg/5.2 rpg in 23.2 mpg) - Kind of crazy that there are THREE former players (all the *) that just up and quit on their new teams during the season this year. - I'm not bringing up the teams' records to suggest "oh look at how bad so-and-so's team is, they should have stayed at Siena instead." No vitriol, just interesting to see how teams are performing. - I think Penn St. has an opportunity to be decent next year if Pickett returns. Wouldn't say he'll never play in a postseason just yet, year two of the Micah Shrewsberry experience could be interesting in Happy Valley. - Georgetown is the only P6 team in the country winless in their conference. I don't know, I think it's telling and indicative that most of these guys were at the correct level before they left. Of course they left for various reasons not necessarily tied to how well Siena would do if they were here, such is the times. The one exception that most of us all coming is Roman Penn. It looks to me that the guys that are still playing, are all excelling at the higher level. Pickett, Carey and King are arguably the best players on their respective teams. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 23, 2022 10:48:15 GMT -5
I don't know, I think it's telling and indicative that most of these guys were at the correct level before they left. Of course they left for various reasons not necessarily tied to how well Siena would do if they were here, such is the times. The one exception that most of us all coming is Roman Penn. It looks to me that the guys that are still playing, are all excelling at the higher level. Pickett, Carey and King are arguably the best players on their respective teams. and Roman Penn has excelled as well in the tough MVC............ |
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2022 10:51:43 GMT -5
I don't know, I think it's telling and indicative that most of these guys were at the correct level before they left. Of course they left for various reasons not necessarily tied to how well Siena would do if they were here, such is the times. The one exception that most of us all coming is Roman Penn. It looks to me that the guys that are still playing, are all excelling at the higher level. Pickett, Carey and King are arguably the best players on their respective teams. They didn't make a difference though as far as their team actually winning games. Pickett I know was told to show something at the higher level which is ridiculous but sure, he's doing that. So they all pretty much could have stayed here and accomplish much of the same things and more. As I stated in the op penn was the exception. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 23, 2022 12:10:19 GMT -5
It looks to me that the guys that are still playing, are all excelling at the higher level. Pickett, Carey and King are arguably the best players on their respective teams. They didn't make a difference though as far as their team actually winning games. Pickett I know was told to show something at the higher level which is ridiculous but sure, he's doing that. So they all pretty much could have stayed here and accomplish much of the same things and more. As I stated in the op penn was the exception. Pickett has done a great job of proving that his halfcourt, pick and roll game can work effectively at the Big 10 level. Some NBA teams will be attracted to how well he plays in a half court set. His jumper isnt as good as it was at Siena. He needed to keep it at the 35-37% level. The league is also playing a lot more zone principals so his lack of foot speed wont be glaring. I think he needs to play another year at Penn State, and shoot 38%^ from 3, and at least 75% from the FT line, and lead them to a tourney. Might be a good guy to have at the end of your bench. Slim chance, but a better one then I honestly thought he'd ever have. |
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