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Feb 22, 2013 18:26:19 GMT -5
Post by airwolf on Feb 22, 2013 18:26:19 GMT -5
The only way Siena ends up in the A10 is if pressure is put on the Admin - call and e-mail ! Since we haven't heard from Yoda in a bit, I'm assuming that you are Yoda using a new handle. The ! at the end is a dead giveaway. Surprised you used only one, though. Sorry..I'm just me
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Feb 27, 2013 9:52:54 GMT -5
Post by le on Feb 27, 2013 9:52:54 GMT -5
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Feb 27, 2013 10:15:53 GMT -5
Post by siena03 on Feb 27, 2013 10:15:53 GMT -5
When there is smoke there is FIRE ;D
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Feb 27, 2013 10:19:59 GMT -5
Post by DelmartianEd on Feb 27, 2013 10:19:59 GMT -5
Heh. Providence to the MAAC?
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Feb 27, 2013 10:40:03 GMT -5
Post by siena03 on Feb 27, 2013 10:40:03 GMT -5
Q- Could the C7/NCAA be putting pressure on Siena to get into the C7 ? You wonder
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Feb 27, 2013 11:04:54 GMT -5
Post by DelmartianEd on Feb 27, 2013 11:04:54 GMT -5
Q- Could the C7/NCAA be putting pressure on Siena to get into the C7 ? You wonder My guess is that schools like Detroit and Siena were mentioned as possibilities just to be used as bargaining chips with Butler and Richmond, to make sure that those schools know that they could be skipped over if they ask for more generous terms than the Catholic 7 is willing to give.
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Feb 27, 2013 11:10:43 GMT -5
Post by glen on Feb 27, 2013 11:10:43 GMT -5
Wow. Siena was casually thrown into that lot. Damn! As D'Arg noted it is an honor but might be a big lift. Here's how I see it...you can always step down. Stepping up only comes along rarely. Anything but the MAAC.
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Feb 27, 2013 11:28:04 GMT -5
Post by section2 on Feb 27, 2013 11:28:04 GMT -5
Q- Could the C7/NCAA be putting pressure on Siena to get into the C7 ? You wonder My guess is that schools like Detroit and Siena were mentioned as possibilities just to be used as bargaining chips with Butler and Richmond, to make sure that those schools know that they could be skipped over if they ask for more generous terms than the Catholic 7 is willing to give. I'm wondering how you get to that point when there was never any mention anywhere of Siena getting in instead of one of those teams? Siena or Detroit getting in would not shut Butler or Richmond out.
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Feb 27, 2013 12:23:36 GMT -5
Post by DelmartianEd on Feb 27, 2013 12:23:36 GMT -5
I'm wondering how you get to that point when there was never any mention anywhere of Siena getting in instead of one of those teams? Siena or Detroit getting in would not shut Butler or Richmond out. Well, there was, actually. The original story from Feinstein mentioned Siena as a possibility specifically in lieu of Richmond, and Detroit as a possibility specifically in lieu of Butler: "The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y. "The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture." Feinstein seems to be suggesting that the Catholic 7 is planning for a contingency where Butler would say no to them and stay in the Atlantic 10. This is speculation on my part, but I think it could be related to other stories I've read that suggested the Catholic 7 wanted a tiered payout model where the new members would receive less TV money than the 7.
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Feb 27, 2013 12:55:32 GMT -5
Post by glen on Feb 27, 2013 12:55:32 GMT -5
I can see the top-tier A10 teams telling the C7 to go scratch on the tiered payout, unless the C7 can keep the Big East name and NCAA units. I think Siena would be nuts to turn down a C7 offer - even tiered - unless we would never be allowed parity (ie: after 7 years we'd be brought up to parity). Personally, I think egos would get in the way of that but in business there's the partner with the money and the partner with the brains.
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Feb 27, 2013 13:10:55 GMT -5
Post by siena03 on Feb 27, 2013 13:10:55 GMT -5
Butler and Siena are going to be the same issue. They don't have the financial stability like the bigger schools in the C7. The only way this works...is if the C7 makes the deal sweeter($) for the smaller schools. Maybe via the T.V. deal.
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Feb 27, 2013 13:25:03 GMT -5
Post by gorvy on Feb 27, 2013 13:25:03 GMT -5
I'm wondering how you get to that point when there was never any mention anywhere of Siena getting in instead of one of those teams? Siena or Detroit getting in would not shut Butler or Richmond out. Well, there was, actually. The original story from Feinstein mentioned Siena as a possibility specifically in lieu of Richmond, and Detroit as a possibility specifically in lieu of Butler: "The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y. "The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture." Feinstein seems to be suggesting that the Catholic 7 is planning for a contingency where Butler would say no to them and stay in the Atlantic 10. This is speculation on my part, but I think it could be related to other stories I've read that suggested the Catholic 7 wanted a tiered payout model where the new members would receive less TV money than the 7. . This is accurate. In fact, I read a story wherein the catholic 7 spokesperson stated the new members would receive less tv money, and perhaps no tv for the entire length of the first tv contract.
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Feb 27, 2013 14:29:30 GMT -5
Post by glen on Feb 27, 2013 14:29:30 GMT -5
To some degree this is reasonable. Certainly Siena isn't a national draw like G'Town or 'Nova so we haven't "earned" the money. That said it puts the newbies at a HUGE disadvantage. IMO it would be worth it though.
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Feb 27, 2013 14:56:15 GMT -5
Post by mattglassman312 on Feb 27, 2013 14:56:15 GMT -5
I think a lot of posters are overestimating one of two things:
1. Siena's chances of being competitive in a C12 league; or 2. The value of being a lower-end team in a C12.
Yes, lightning can strike in any given year or two. And yes, lesser programs can be transformed into consistent BCS winners. But the BCS conferences *do* have bottom-feeders who go years and years without being competitive. There's a very serious chance Siena would assume that position in the C12.
But the more dangerous idea is the line of thinking that says "that's ok." Maybe it is, if all you want to do is get a chance to see the really good teams play in Albany eery year. But I don't think it's debatable that being a competitive upper-half A10 team would draw better attendance than being a bottom-feeder in the C12. And I think it's likely that playing in the A10 would generate more NCAA appearances.
It's entirely possible to improve the absolute quality of the basketball team, but end up with a losing hand that can't fill the stands and never plays in the post-season. I simply have no interest in being Northwestern. And there's a real danger of that if we were to get invited and accept the C12.
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Feb 27, 2013 15:17:56 GMT -5
Post by siena03 on Feb 27, 2013 15:17:56 GMT -5
There is a lot of NCAA politics with this issue..but I think in the next 3 years you will see Siena in the A10. It just makes too much sense from a business stand point. Right now, the A10 schools get $400k in annual media distribution rights. Pin that with competitive nature of the conference and the potential rivalries we could have. Siena would make a ton of money.
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