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Post by knicksaint on Mar 15, 2020 21:49:43 GMT -5
My apologies. I forgot about the Craig Forth game.
However, the fact remains that even if Syracuse would do a 2 for 1, we would need to play a guarantee game the year of the second trip to Syracuse to maintain a balanced schedule. And if we agreed to a 3 for 1, we would need two home guarantee games, which would likely be with low majors. Some posters are complaining about home guarantee games but are advocating 2 for 1’s. These are not mutually exclusive.
Posters want to play A10 teams, but some are finding fault with St. Bona,. In the last five seasons, the Bonnies have finished tied for second, fifth, third, fourth and tied for fifth, never finishing with a record below 11-7. They are an upper level A10 team, but they’re not good enough to be on the schedule? Ridiculous.
Hofstra was on the schedule from the 15-16 through the 18-19 season. I don’t know why the series was not renewed, but I have to believe we could play Hofstra again and could also play other CAA teams.
I don’t think we will see home and homes with the likes of Cal Poly again, but that’s what it to to have 14 home game’s in 2018-19.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 15, 2020 22:17:19 GMT -5
Our scheduling has been frustrating for years.being in the northeast, we fail to take advantage of our geography. Same ol situation with the Bonnie's and maybe bucknell and Colgate. We reside in a cbb hotbed geographically, but fail year after year to provide an interesting nonconference for our fans and season ticket holders. We have the a10, mac, aac, caa, patriot, on and on....right in our back yard. Yet, we fail to play new and interesting teams that will improve out resume. For the very least: We should have a 2or3/1 with Syracuse A 2/1 with UMass, uri, and Dayton. Home and home with teams like UB, and most other mac teams. Why not? They have a very competitive and fun conference and UB, Kent st., wmu, ni, etc. Should be options. Then consider northeastern, Hofstra, and George Mason. I just touched on the potential here. The opportunities are endless given our geography and facility. Come on now... How many schools does it take to sign a contract before their teams will play each other? Answer is two, not one. Siena can't just take a list of schools and say "We'll play this one, this one and this one. We'll play each of them twice, with one game at the TUC, and the second game at their place". Doesn't work that way. I'm sure that there are any number of reasons why a school that Siena would like to schedule doesn't want to (or won't) play Siena , particularly at the TUC. As KnickSaint says, it takes time to build a schedule, which is usually in place at least two years in advance. All of us would like a more robust schedule, but it isn't at all easy to make that happen. Carm is handling all other aspects of the program pretty well, so no reason to believe that he won't work on the schedule, too. Sure, it takes two schools in agreement. Somehow, we get bucknell and the Bonnie's each year. Yes, a bit more effort for all the teams we have access to.
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Post by saintsgrad on Mar 15, 2020 22:17:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure how popular this would be but I would gladly have some low major guarantee games to allow a 3 for 1 with a Syracuse, Notre Dame, or even a St John's or a 2 for 1 with a BC or Rutgers. Get some big name schools to come even if much of the other ooc home games don't sound interesting at all.
If the price is having an extra away game or two a year to get a Syracuse or Notre Dame to come it's 100% worth it. Imagine the attendance?
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Post by saintsgrad on Mar 15, 2020 22:22:40 GMT -5
And it is easy to just pick and choose schools to play on this board but a 3 for 1 is quite an investment and attractive for some big schools looking to build and keep a presence in the Albany area. ND loves playing in the Northeast to attract attention, and it allows Syracuse to get a ton of exposure in Albany. It's not just financial for them it's the area they are playing in. Could be a win win.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 15, 2020 22:25:48 GMT -5
My apologies. I forgot about the Craig Forth game. However, the fact remains that even if Syracuse would do a 2 for 1, we would need to play a guarantee game the year of the second trip to Syracuse to maintain a balanced schedule. And if we agreed to a 3 for 1, we would need two home guarantee games, which would likely be with low majors. Some posters are complaining about home guarantee games but are advocating 2 for 1’s. These are not mutually exclusive. Posters want to play A10 teams, but some are finding fault with St. Bona,. In the last five seasons, the Bonnies have finished tied for second, fifth, third, fourth and tied for fifth, never finishing with a record below 11-7. They are an upper level A10 team, but they’re not good enough to be on the schedule? Ridiculous. Hofstra was on the schedule from the 15-16 through the 18-19 season. I don’t know why the series was not renewed, but I have to believe we could play Hofstra again and could also play other CAA teams. I don’t think we will see home and homes with the likes of Cal Poly again, but that’s what it to to have 14 home game’s in 2018-19. Not even wishing for the big boys. There is plenty of opportunity with the a10, missou valley, mac, patriot, and caa. The Bonnie's and bucknell has ran its course for the love of God. Is it carms call or JDs? Another hit on JD for his laxed regime here at Siena.
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Post by mrsiena on Mar 16, 2020 1:41:18 GMT -5
What about UConn with Jackson to preview?
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Post by gorvy on Mar 16, 2020 4:53:35 GMT -5
The point is it will take time and effort but I think Carm will get us a better home schedule. If the math works I have no problem with home low major guarantee games. We have a nice arena we should use it to our advantage instead of the unbalanced schedule we have now. The best mid majors hardly play any true non conference road games just like the big boys.
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 16, 2020 5:55:25 GMT -5
Not in favor of being paid to lose. Make no mistake about it in those 2 or 3 for 1 games the deck is seriously stacked against the Saints on the away games. Sing games with other quality MM, LM and winnable HM games which obviously is not likely to happen with anything less than a 2-1 deal but it has to be winnable. Just my two cents.
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Post by saints22 on Mar 16, 2020 8:25:58 GMT -5
I have said for years that we DO NOT take advantage of our program geography and facility. Our OOC schedule has been abysmal. We messed up the Albany thing, not even talks with Syracuse, teams like UMass, URI, UB, Hofstra, northeastern, army, on and on....all in a 3-4 hr bus radius. we used to have a relationship with IBM. Where did that go. We are atrocious in ooc scheduling. I get your point, but............. WE did not "mess[ed] up the Albany thing....."; Albany did. And how do you know that Siena has not contacted "....Syracuse, teams like UMass, URI, UB, Hofstra, northeastern, army, on and on......"? Just because they haven't been on the schedule doesn't mean that Siena hasn't tried to work out a contract with some or any of those schools. To be fair to the schools that you mention, Siena hasn't been a particularly attractive opponent over much of the past decade, so why would any of them want to schedule a series against us? As that changes.........and it has started to over the past two seasons..........and as Carm has a chance to place his own mark on the schedule, I'm hoping that we will see a significant upgrade in the OOC schedule, and in the quality of the teams coming to the TUC.
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Post by $cott on Mar 16, 2020 8:39:18 GMT -5
Guys, Syracuse makes way more money bringing Colgate in on a guarantee than they would ever make from going to Albany once and having Siena come without the guarantee for even 5 years! And that's without the humiliation of risking losing to a midmajor on their home court. Look around the country, none of the power 6 conferences are playing games at midmajors. Unless the NCAA requires so many road games in non-conference we will never see it happen. The one slim chance is if Girard is still at Syracuse his senior year they might be willing to start a 3 year series with the first year at the TUC. That's still a 'slim', an 'if', and a 'might' in our best case.
And that's not even getting into the scheduling logistics of a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1. It becomes impossible over time to schedule enough home games and you might lose out on quality home and home series because you are already tied into a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1. Realistically, those 2 for 1's are only going to bring in a UMass or Rhode Island anyways. As referenced before, would you really rather see UMass and Maryland Eastern Shore on the home schedule or Hofstra and Northeastern?
Also, do you guys really think it never occurred to the Siena coaches that it might be nice to have Syracuse come to the TUC? That they've never thought of that themselves?
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 16, 2020 8:49:48 GMT -5
It’s a L to a mid-major that is the big obstacle since it could come back to haunt a major in March... scheduling should focus on peer or one-notch up teams outside our geographical area ... our OOC schedule has been static w same teams year in and year out ... be nice to play a Big but seems to get harder to get a game unless your team looks like a guaranteed win ... we may only see them in tournaments
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Post by orange77 on Mar 16, 2020 10:22:21 GMT -5
This year's OOC schedule had some quality opponents even if they weren't blue bloods or long-established mid major powers. Xavier, Yale, Harvard, St Bona, and Colgate all had higher NET rankings than Northeastern, UMass, Murray State, Buffalo, Boston College, etc. That said, Holy Cross and Cal Poly were clunkers this year. I'd be happy to see Vermont and Hofstra, along with Buffalo and/or any upper A-10, AAC or Big East team.
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Post by Papi on Mar 16, 2020 10:52:10 GMT -5
Play UA, UB, Bonnie's and an Ivy team to start.
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Post by MTS on Mar 16, 2020 14:08:04 GMT -5
Siena's OOC schedule this year was fine a bunch quality mid-majors -
By final NCAA NET rankings -
Xavier (47) Yale (69) Harvard (107) Colgate (121) St. Bonaventure (122) American (197) Bucknell (239)
Cal Poly (323) Holy Cross (343)
Average 174....subtract the bottom two - 129
Siena played 5 teams in the top 122 of the NET.
American was solid. Bucknell did not have their typical strong year.
Two really weak teams weight it down (Cal Poly loss was a tough one)
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 16, 2020 15:14:16 GMT -5
I have said for years that we DO NOT take advantage of our program geography and facility. Our OOC schedule has been abysmal. We messed up the Albany thing, not even talks with Syracuse, teams like UMass, URI, UB, Hofstra, northeastern, army, on and on....all in a 3-4 hr bus radius. we used to have a relationship with IBM. Where did that go. We are atrocious in ooc scheduling. I get your point, but............. WE did not "mess[ed] up the Albany thing....."; Albany did. And how do you know that Siena has not contacted "....Syracuse, teams like UMass, URI, UB, Hofstra, northeastern, army, on and on......"? Just because they haven't been on the schedule doesn't mean that Siena hasn't tried to work out a contract with some or any of those schools. To be fair to the schools that you mention, Siena hasn't been a particularly attractive opponent over much of the past decade, so why would any of them want to schedule a series against us? As that changes.........and it has started to over the past two seasons..........and as Carm has a chance to place his own mark on the schedule, I'm hoping that we will see a significant upgrade in the OOC schedule, and in the quality of the teams coming to the TUC. You make alot of good points and I need to be put in my place when talking scheduling at times;) just get frustrated with the same programs year after year. Did like seeing Florida gulf coast; that's the kinda opponent I hope we see more of.we/I don't know what conversations have been had. Just hope due diligence is had and we are exploring every opportunity. I do not have much faith in JD. is scheduling more on the AD or HC, or is it a team approach?
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