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Post by onionsbaby on Feb 19, 2013 20:46:04 GMT -5
Interesting Article- It is true D'Arg pretty much throw cold water on the C7 interest in Siena..... I know money has been brought up as an obstacle by the AD to a Siena move to C7 but when you look at the overall Athletic budgets and the Basketball budgets it is not like Siena is that far off from some of the more successfull Hoops colleges on the list (Xavier/Butler). Increased revenue from TV , game attendance, NCCA tourneys, enrollment, school exposure and applicants could offset additional costs alloveralbany.com/archive/2013/02/19/even-with-home-court-advantage-siena-to-the-cathol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 21:11:19 GMT -5
I don't believe increases in enrollment would be a benefit that Siena would be seeking by a move up and the associated additional national and strong regional interest that might acrue. Similar exposure in the past has increased applications and that has resulted in a higher quality of incoming student. Increased enrollments were not a desired outcome.
I also don't think a simple comparison of the men's basketball budget to the other schools is valid. All of Siena's D1 programs would need additional funding for increased travel, increased recruiting budgets, increased scholarship levels, and likely some facility improvements beyond those for basketball. It's not just about men's basketball as many would like to believe.
People complain about ticket prices today - a significant move up would bring with it significant jumps in ticket costs. Folks would love to have more big name competition but might not be willing to buy season tickets to see every home game.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 19, 2013 21:51:49 GMT -5
People are complaining about the ticket prices because they are paying them to watch our Arm Crossing Program Wrecker lose to the likes of Rider while playing a boring style and ruining a bunch of college kids' careers. Get a better coach and play Villlanova and Georgetown and people won't complain as much. When the team is good and brings in good name competition the fans come out and are willing to pay. My question is how much of that revenue does Siena get to keep? I was under the impression that the TU was mainly a marketing tool to increase the value of the college. I am assuming that increasing the quality of the student brings in more revenue--- better quality students become better donors -- I am sure that the admin is looking at all the angles on this one but I would be surprised if perceived ticket prices would end up being the deterrent.
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Post by airwolf on Feb 19, 2013 22:01:32 GMT -5
Misspractice do you work for Siena ?
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Post by Tony on Feb 20, 2013 4:57:07 GMT -5
Listen all we hear is a bunch of excuses- personally I don’t think there is anything to C7 but a bit of speculation. I think the C7 is too big a jump for Siena- given its administration and the vast budget gap- under no circumstances does TV revenue come close to covering revenue gap not to mention the change in mentality ( what type of students do you take) The story does in fact show a jump to A10 is possible Siena ‘s overall budget is 12 Mill while Butler Xavier St Louis are all about 14 million- so while 2 million is by no means chump change it is ”doable”
I mean if we were a good program with strong leadership in the admin..it might be doable.. Xavier, Butler and St Louis total budget isn't much different than Siena's..yet nobody is saying they cant do it... one reason for that administrative leadership
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Post by section2 on Feb 20, 2013 5:46:06 GMT -5
What nobody seems to be considering is that teams leaving the Big East may need to reduce their sports budget. Siena and the A-10 schools could raise theirs slightly and be middle of the pack. Win for a couple years and raise again. It's about business. Spend money to make money.
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Post by Tony on Feb 20, 2013 6:05:08 GMT -5
I dont want to piss on anyone's parade...but here is a dose of reality for you guys—the purpose of the C7 schools breaking off is too stay relevant in the college landscape. They didn’t want to get stuck with programs like “Tulane” so it would be a stretch to get Siena and sell them and their 3 straight losing seasons in the MAAC to a TV network . Not to mention a PR nightmare with their members- yes Schools admins can look past a bad year or two—at Siena it goes beyond that, Siena administration is “weak” and our good and bad cycle speaks volumes of the commitment of the school. I have serious doubts Siena will even pursue a move to the A10 let alone the C7- school admins don’t have that sort of vision- or at least have never shown that in the past
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Post by section2 on Feb 20, 2013 7:05:07 GMT -5
Actually, their purpose is to stay relevant in college BASKETBALL. The Big East is too focused on football for them. So, with location and tradition, Siena actually makes sense. You are right about the weak admin, which I'm sure is the main thing holding this up.
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Post by Tony on Feb 20, 2013 7:11:40 GMT -5
Actually, their purpose is to stay relevant in college BASKETBALL. The Big East is too focused on football for them. So, with location and tradition, Siena actually makes sense. You are right about the weak admin, which I'm sure is the main thing holding this up. You are stretching things with Siena--I agree with location..tradition pales to other schools dicussed..other programs do not go thru the ups and downs to the degree Siena does.. I dont believe Xavier Butler VCU combined have a single losing season the last decade--Siena has 5. If Siena had strong leadership that wanted this move maybe.. just read Darg comments-- bottom line Siena isn't in a huge TV market-- we have little to no interest outside the capital district. We are coming off 3 straight losing seasons with a lame duck coach, Our budget isn't in ball park, administrative leadership doesn't look to be on board. Add it all up =no chance
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Post by airwolf on Feb 20, 2013 7:14:28 GMT -5
Pressure might come from NCAA to make this work with A10 or C7.
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Post by Tony on Feb 20, 2013 7:15:58 GMT -5
Pressure might come from NCAA to make this work with A10 or C7. why would NCAA care what conference Siena is in? I'd love to see better teams come into the TUC as much as the next guy- but lets be honest Siena is up and down more than a 5 dollar crack ho. If we cant be consistently good in MAAC, why should Siena go anywhere? ..and I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm asking you ( the poster) to convince me why they should? How will you fix the good coach bad coach problem? where will the revenue come from? ..I'm listening I'm all ears
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Post by airwolf on Feb 20, 2013 7:40:43 GMT -5
The same debate went on with Butler/Xavier before they joined the A10. " All that being said, switching to the Atlantic-10 would be a big risk that could pay off in a big way. Xavier left the Midwestern Collegiate Conference, now the Horizon League, in the mid 90s for the Atlantic-10. They are always up for at large consideration and while they haven't been to the Final Four like Butler, they have gained the university recognition in other ways. Forbes magazine ranked the Musketeer men's basketball program as the 17th most valuable college basketball team in the country. " bleacherreport.com/articles/1102979-butler-to-the-atlantic-10-hold-on-a-minute-do-the-cons-outweigh-the-pros/
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Post by gorvy on Feb 20, 2013 8:00:18 GMT -5
Pressure might come from NCAA to make this work with A10 or C7. I'd love to see better teams come into the TUC as much as the next guy- but lets be honest Siena is up and down more than a 5 dollar crack ho. If we cant be consistently good in MAAC, why should Siena go anywhere? ..and I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm asking you ( the poster) to convince me why they should? How will you fix the good coach bad coach problem? where will the revenue come from? ..I'm listening I'm all ears Honestly I'm not sure why you are so negative about this. Before John Feinstein, a well known sports guy wrote a story in the Washington Post, nobody here suggested that Siena would be in the Catholic 7. I'm just having some fun with it--- better than thinking about Mitch the program wrecker for a change.
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Post by hockeyguy on Feb 20, 2013 8:06:24 GMT -5
Tony, you could be right about Xavier, Butler, VCU not having any losing seasons.. now look at St Johns, Seton Hall, Providence (Yes I know, they are playing in the BE) but all are losers more often than winners and they are 3 of the 7 that "are in". While "past is prologue" I think you also have to look at potential. It would be a huge jump for Siena and no one knows what the revenue sharing plan would be. Siena is currently responsible for about $1,100,000 a year in NCAA moneyin the MAAC coffers, $0 in Siena's coffers (5 "shares at what was $220,000 a share the year they beat Vandy could be more in the other two years). I'd give it a (slight) chance.
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Post by $cott on Feb 20, 2013 10:39:44 GMT -5
While I think there are better options for the C7 that it is unlikely Siena will get offered, I don't buy the argument that they couldn't afford to compete in that league. Take that $3 million in TV revenue and put it directly into the men's basketball program and they are right on par with Providence. Then use the added revenue for increased attendance and ticket prices and use that to pay for the added expenses for the other athletic programs. Will they probably be the doormat of the league in those other sports at first? Most likely. Will that be worth it to have a legitimate major conference basketball program bringing top schools to Albany? I sure as hell think so and will reflect my belief in that by being all over returning as a season ticket holder and being willing to do it at a far higher price point if this move happens. I also know a bunch of Syracuse fans that have zero interest in going to more than a Siena game or two a year right now that would be in for season tickets in a heartbeat if Siena joined the C7.
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