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Post by hoopsforever on Jan 31, 2017 21:42:25 GMT -5
And as the song goes, we thought they would never end..... Just sorting out an old folder tonight and I ran across Siena's non-conference schedule from the 2005-2006 team - Fran's first year at Siena!
Non conference games included:
at the Palestra vs. University of Pennsylvania UMass Syracuse Fordham Holy Cross UAlbany Youngstown State UVM Bracket Buster
This was from a newspaper clipping of June, 2005, so the actual schedule may have changed a bit, but wow! Those were the days!
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Post by hoopsforever on Jan 31, 2017 21:45:16 GMT -5
A few short years later, I wrote a letter to Fran, urging him to stay at Siena and continue to build this program into an every year mid-major power - little good that did. The power of the pen vs. the power of the dollar! Oh well, loved that time as a Saints fan!
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Post by hoopsforever on Jan 31, 2017 22:03:19 GMT -5
Same folder - news clipping listing Siena's signings for the 2001-2002 basketball season -
Tommy Mitchell of Tyler, Texas Cantrell Fletcher of Philadelphia Gary Holle of CCHS Brent Sniezyk of Broadalbin
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Post by hoopsforever on Jan 31, 2017 22:05:16 GMT -5
OK - one last one - same article the signings for 01-02
Loyola signed Lucious Jordan !
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 1, 2017 4:54:00 GMT -5
I'll bet this years OOC schedule is better than the one you're drooling over.
The '05-'06 schedule I assume you're craving for again had 8 teams with a combined record of 133-113, so a +20. (I didn't include any bracketbuster game since this team cant have one of those).
I'm willing to bet THIS YEARS combined record of our OOC opponents is better than a +20. The '16-'17 OOC schedule that is so unappealing for some reason, to the typical Siena fan?? We faced 6 teams having GREAT seasons (Kansas, FGC, St. Bonnies, UNC-Ashe, UVM and Bucknell).
Frans first team faced ONE OOC team (Penn) with less than 11 losses, yet you're labeling that schedule, "Those were the days?" lmao
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Post by sky on Feb 1, 2017 5:55:35 GMT -5
Two factors that make some of those games desirable....name recognition and conference...thank you hoopsforever for the info...
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Post by Tony on Feb 1, 2017 6:27:18 GMT -5
Didn't Fran beat UA and Vermont his first year? and actually that team did play a Bracket buster vs Hofstra, Penn, Syracuse, UA were NCAA teams, Holy Cross was 1st place finisher in PL and were upset in PL tournament. 7 of the teams were .500 or better. Youngstown was only really weak team
This years schedule was so unappealing because the home portion of it sucked. at least 3 of the teams on this years schedule will be under 500 maybe 4 or 5 of them. Sorry when you have a large fan base, the home portion of Non COnf schedule is something you should be thinking about. Cornell and pine bluff? Vermont the highlight of home schedule and of course we lost to them again
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 6:58:37 GMT -5
Fran knew how to schedule - it was more than just fill in the blanks. HJ seems to have a rather lopsided view of Fran - Fran didn't drink, HJ makes his living off people who drink, hmmmmm....... Remember the Penn game well - team was going to the office - jackets and ties as they got off their team bus - big Siena contingent to greet them - it was a great first year - a sure sign of things to come - which did! Only negative is he gave us more than a taste of the big time and this administration has been unable to find a successor to enable us to even come close....OBTW, UA's stock took a huge nose dive yesterday - that could impact funding on a go forward basis - they, along with us, badly missed projections....
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 1, 2017 9:22:14 GMT -5
I'll bet this years OOC schedule is better than the one you're drooling over. The '05-'06 schedule I assume you're craving for again had 8 teams with a combined record of 133-113, so a +20. (I didn't include any bracketbuster game since this team cant have one of those). I'm willing to bet THIS YEARS combined record of our OOC opponents is better than a +20. The '16-'17 OOC schedule that is so unappealing for some reason, to the typical Siena fan?? We faced 6 teams having GREAT seasons (Kansas, FGC, St. Bonnies, UNC-Ashe, UVM and Bucknell). Frans first team faced ONE OOC team (Penn) with less than 11 losses, yet you're labeling that schedule, "Those were the days?" lmao Your constant and unwavering defense of all things Rex is hysterica. Lmao! At least Fran could beat AE teams .... 😂 When the numbers make you look bad, I don't blame you for spinning. This isn't about knocking Fran, and high-fiving Jimmy, it's just correcting a misconception about our OOC schedule that most haters wont let go of. You'd be justified in being angry about this season and how it's been going, BUT when you close your eyes to being wrong about the OOC schedule, it makes you look like an unwavering all things hater. Mae your argument that the schedule that the poster was raving about is somehow better in '05 is somehow better than the one we have now? I's not, and the numbers will support that. Just because you ripped our OOC all year long, and now the records PROVE that several of those teams you hated on, are actually having outstanding seasons.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 1, 2017 9:29:55 GMT -5
I (as most, I would guess) didn't have a problem with our OOC road schedule at all, it was the home portion that gave it a bad rap.
The schedule is the least of my concern with the current program. I'm more worried about recruiting, player development, player retention, coaching and the overall direction it has taken over the past 6 years.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 1, 2017 9:33:23 GMT -5
Two factors that make some of those games desirable....name recognition and conference...thank you hoopsforever for the info... So because you don't know who Florida Gulf Coast (18-6) or UNC Asheville (16-7) is, they are inferior opponents than UMass (13-15) or Fordham (16-16)?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 1, 2017 9:38:15 GMT -5
Didn't Fran beat UA and Vermont his first year? and actually that team did play a Bracket buster vs Hofstra, Penn, Syracuse, UA were NCAA teams, Holy Cross was 1st place finisher in PL and were upset in PL tournament. 7 of the teams were .500 or better. Youngstown was only really weak team This years schedule was so unappealing because the home portion of it sucked. at least 3 of the teams on this years schedule will be under 500 maybe 4 or 5 of them. Sorry when you have a large fan base, the home portion of Non COnf schedule is something you should be thinking about. Cornell and pine bluff? Vermont the highlight of home schedule and of course we lost to them again Yeah, he beat UAlbany in OT, and he and 16 other teams beat Vermont that year. Our 3 home OOC games that year were: UMass (13-15), Holy Cross (20-12) and Youngstown St (7-21). For a combined 40-48. Thank Fran for the home schedules nowadays. After the success he/we had a decade ago, made good teams NOT want to come here. Could you blame them? Why pull a Stanford and go to the Pepsi? Nothing to gain.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 1, 2017 9:42:49 GMT -5
The schedule is the least of my concern with the current program. I'm more worried about recruiting, player development, player retention, coaching and the overall direction it has taken over the past 6 years. Well, that's what this particular thread was about. I just addressed it because I've been following how well our OOC opponents this year have been playing. Surprised me too.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 1, 2017 9:47:50 GMT -5
Fran knew how to schedule - it was more than just fill in the blanks. HJ seems to have a rather lopsided view of Fran - Fran didn't drink, HJ makes his living off people who drink, hmmmmm....... Remember the Penn game well - team was going to the office - jackets and ties as they got off their team bus - big Siena contingent to greet them - it was a great first year - a sure sign of things to come - which did! Only negative is he gave us more than a taste of the big time and this administration has been unable to find a successor to enable us to even come close....OBTW, UA's stock took a huge nose dive yesterday - that could impact funding on a go forward basis - they, along with us, badly missed projections.... I have a good view of Fran. He was a great coach for this program. There's no arguing the success he attained here. I just didn't like the way he went out, and that will always be sore subject with me, but it is what it is.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 1, 2017 9:52:14 GMT -5
Didn't Fran beat UA and Vermont his first year? and actually that team did play a Bracket buster vs Hofstra, Penn, Syracuse, UA were NCAA teams, Holy Cross was 1st place finisher in PL and were upset in PL tournament. 7 of the teams were .500 or better. Youngstown was only really weak team This years schedule was so unappealing because the home portion of it sucked. at least 3 of the teams on this years schedule will be under 500 maybe 4 or 5 of them. Sorry when you have a large fan base, the home portion of Non COnf schedule is something you should be thinking about. Cornell and pine bluff? Vermont the highlight of home schedule and of course we lost to them again Yeah, he beat UAlbany in OT, and he and 16 other teams beat Vermont that year. Our 3 home OOC games that year were: UMass (13-15), Holy Cross (20-12) and Youngstown St (7-21). For a combined 40-48. Thank Fran for the home schedules nowadays. After the success he/we had a decade ago, made good teams NOT want to come here. Could you blame them? Why pull a Stanford and go to the Pepsi? Nothing to gain. you are correct HJ, remember under Fran, we won 39 straight home games (then he left), man that was an awesome time at the TUC, truly a DEAD ZONE for any team who dared entered the building...........it wasn't until Mitch era took over and we lost that first home game of his tenure to Vermont (that started our Catamount slide), it probably should have gotten to 40 at least because after UVM, they had Butler come in and we weren't beating them with the remaining roster right after Fran left..................also should be noted that during one particular season, Fran played NJIT in a home and home in the same season, it might have been NJIT's first season as D1, not sure he was throwing them a bone and/or he had issues getting teams on his schedule.................
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