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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 25, 2017 10:51:56 GMT -5
Coaches recruit the best players. That "system" stuff is crap. Only applies if you have a guy like Pete Carrill running a "Princeton offense." The better players can make shots. Regardless if they play in Iona's system, or Manhattans. ATHLETES have the ability to run, jump etc...so they can press if need be. I GUARANTEE you, Kenny, Edwin, Alex, Ronald, RR, OD would fit into ANY "style" a coach ran. Great players do that.
A lot of the kids mentioned were before AAU took a stranglehold of the recruiting game. Brown, Bennerman had size issues for most coaches. MM take chance on kids like that, and they paid off...bigtime. The harder competition in recruiting is usually for the bigger kids. We beat some good schools for Prince. All 3 perimeter kids were lightly recruited and that does concern me. Camper plays at a very low level (Wincowski like), so it's hard to figure. Penn is real small, but has some good qualities in him. Not sure we'll see those for a year or so though. Horn looks like a solid combo back-up type kid.
With all that being said, I'm not real happy with the recruiting results, considering how much time we had to offer next year.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Jan 25, 2017 12:14:41 GMT -5
The reason beyond just being interested about who was highly recruited and who wasn't is this. I could be wrong on this but as far as I know, Edwin Eubiles was the most highly recruited Siena Saint ever.
And though I could be wrong on this as well, I believe guys like Kenny Hasbrouck and Ronald Moore and even Alex Franklin were lightly recruited, if at all?
I believe the four current seniors were also lightly recruited, if recruited at all?
Yes, Jimmy has his issues, especially with game time coaching decisions, and beyond Nico, as far as I know has not had any type of high recruits come in.
But that being said, if he win's the MAAC regular season title this year, which is a real possibility, and wins the tournament, you have to say, overall without having high recruits coming out of high school, that he has done a good job in developing players to date, and that it might be better to stick with him than to move beyond him?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 25, 2017 12:35:26 GMT -5
Since we haven''t played Monmouth or Iona yet, I'd say our chances of winning the MAAC title are about 15/1 today.....win 3 out of 4, we'd improve our odds greatly (4/1?)
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Post by gorvy on Jan 25, 2017 12:55:05 GMT -5
Iona already has four losses, same as Siena, and the tourney is at home, so I doubt the odds are 15/1.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 25, 2017 12:59:50 GMT -5
Iona already has four losses, same as Siena, and the tourney is at home, so I doubt the odds are 15/1. What does "home court advantage" have to do with winning the REGULAR SEASON MAAC title?? And we dont do well against the two aforementioned teams. Like I said, IF we go 3 for 4 in those games, we'd have a much more reasonable (4/1)shot.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 25, 2017 13:09:21 GMT -5
Iona already has four losses, same as Siena, and the tourney is at home, so I doubt the odds are 15/1. What does "home court advantage" have to do with winning the REGULAR SEASON MAAC title?? And we dont do well against the two aforementioned teams. Like I said, IF we go 3 for 4 in those games, we'd have a much more reasonable (4/1)shot. Sienafan was referring to the post season title too. But if you are talking just reg season I would agree as They have to beat Monmouth at least once and likely twice to do that, and they don't control their destiny with st petes either.
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Post by MTS on Jan 25, 2017 13:12:25 GMT -5
Iona already has four losses, same as Siena, and the tourney is at home, so I doubt the odds are 15/1. Regular season will be tough but Siena pretty much controls their own destiny with two games against Iona and Monmouth. Probably have to go 3-1 in those games and 5-1 against everyone else to have a chance. That would mean a 14-6 record and a tiebreaker over Monmouth (Monmouth would still have to lose two more games in that senerio). The tournament is much more realistic if Siena can finish second you play on Friday (vs 7-10 winner) and with a win don't play until Sunday (likely against the #3 who played Saturday) This is a fun page to look at - use it for the NFL too www.playoffstatus.com/metroatlanticbasketball/metroatlanticwinmagicnumbers.html
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Post by bigsaintg on Jan 25, 2017 13:32:50 GMT -5
The reason beyond just being interested about who was highly recruited and who wasn't is this. I could be wrong on this but as far as I know, Edwin Eubiles was the most highly recruited Siena Saint ever. And though I could be wrong on this as well, I believe guys like Kenny Hasbrouck and Ronald Moore and even Alex Franklin were lightly recruited, if at all? I believe the four current seniors were also lightly recruited, if recruited at all? Yes, Jimmy has his issues, especially with game time coaching decisions, and beyond Nico, as far as I know has not had any type of high recruits come in. But that being said, if he win's the MAAC regular season title this year, which is a real possibility, and wins the tournament, you have to say, overall without having high recruits coming out of high school, that he has done a good job in developing players to date, and that it might be better to stick with him than to move beyond him? James Clinton and Paul Williams were also highly recruited and would be in top 5 of highly recruited kids we got. Wignot had Temple and Penn St and OD had a bunch of those schools too.
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Post by mjs72 on Jan 25, 2017 13:39:53 GMT -5
The reason beyond just being interested about who was highly recruited and who wasn't is this. I could be wrong on this but as far as I know, Edwin Eubiles was the most highly recruited Siena Saint ever. And though I could be wrong on this as well, I believe guys like Kenny Hasbrouck and Ronald Moore and even Alex Franklin were lightly recruited, if at all? I believe the four current seniors were also lightly recruited, if recruited at all? Yes, Jimmy has his issues, especially with game time coaching decisions, and beyond Nico, as far as I know has not had any type of high recruits come in. But that being said, if he win's the MAAC regular season title this year, which is a real possibility, and wins the tournament, you have to say, overall without having high recruits coming out of high school, that he has done a good job in developing players to date, and that it might be better to stick with him than to move beyond him? Pretty sure the "highest" recruit ever was Richie Furr of Philadelphia back in the Billy Kirsch days. Street and Smith first team 'East" high school ranking.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jan 25, 2017 13:56:27 GMT -5
The reason beyond just being interested about who was highly recruited and who wasn't is this. I could be wrong on this but as far as I know, Edwin Eubiles was the most highly recruited Siena Saint ever. And though I could be wrong on this as well, I believe guys like Kenny Hasbrouck and Ronald Moore and even Alex Franklin were lightly recruited, if at all? I believe the four current seniors were also lightly recruited, if recruited at all? Yes, Jimmy has his issues, especially with game time coaching decisions, and beyond Nico, as far as I know has not had any type of high recruits come in. But that being said, if he win's the MAAC regular season title this year, which is a real possibility, and wins the tournament, you have to say, overall without having high recruits coming out of high school, that he has done a good job in developing players to date, and that it might be better to stick with him than to move beyond him? Pretty sure the "highest" recruit ever was Richie Furr of Philadelphia back in the Billy Kirsch days. Street and Smith first team 'East" high school ranking. That kid was great
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 13:58:48 GMT -5
Pretty sure the "highest" recruit ever was Richie Furr of Philadelphia back in the Billy Kirsch days. Street and Smith first team 'East" high school ranking. That kid was great And a gallon of milk only cost a nickel.
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Post by gosaints on Jan 25, 2017 15:28:57 GMT -5
The reason beyond just being interested about who was highly recruited and who wasn't is this. I could be wrong on this but as far as I know, Edwin Eubiles was the most highly recruited Siena Saint ever. And though I could be wrong on this as well, I believe guys like Kenny Hasbrouck and Ronald Moore and even Alex Franklin were lightly recruited, if at all? I believe the four current seniors were also lightly recruited, if recruited at all? Yes, Jimmy has his issues, especially with game time coaching decisions, and beyond Nico, as far as I know has not had any type of high recruits come in. But that being said, if he win's the MAAC regular season title this year, which is a real possibility, and wins the tournament, you have to say, overall without having high recruits coming out of high school, that he has done a good job in developing players to date, and that it might be better to stick with him than to move beyond him? Are you for real or in some way shape or form related to Mr Pastos? Pastos has done a good job developing players, seriously? is there anyone you can point to that supports this statement. Aside from Bisping and JO they're his recruits, way more misses than hits! If you take out the players that followed him from Loyola who on the current rooster that he recruited adds value besides Richards? Its an established fact, considering the resources he has available, that he does not recruit well. If he does win the MAAC and wins the tournament I would consider it to be more akin to the Lanier days and we all know where that wound up.
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Post by $cott on Jan 25, 2017 15:31:55 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see who the first kid is to graduate from Siena that Jimmy actually recruited initially for Siena.
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Post by musicman on Jan 25, 2017 15:52:34 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see who the first kid is to graduate from Siena that Jimmy actually recruited initially for Siena. ?
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Post by $cott on Jan 25, 2017 16:39:38 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see who the first kid is to graduate from Siena that Jimmy actually recruited initially for Siena. ? Of the seniors this year, two were Mitch recruits and the other two were Loyola recruits. Next year there will be no senior class. So the current sophomores would be the first chance for Jimmy to graduate a kid he recruited to Siena and none of them are looking like locks to stick around except Smithen who wouldn't have been at Siena all four years.
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