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Post by Sienafan on May 17, 2016 23:40:24 GMT -5
Smithen, WB, and increased production/efficiency from both Wright and Clareth. More production out of Wormley would do as well. Those are my keys this year. BB, JO, and LL can basically just do what they do. Everyone else on the team is just noise. We go 8 deep of experienced rotation guys before even talking about a newcomer. If you include Smithen cause of practicing with the team, it's 9. Joseph, Richard, Heurter, Gottfried...they are largely just background music this year. Who's your top 8 if Smithen isn't included? I think you already listed Smithen in your top 8 and then counted him again to reach your top 9. I like what I'm anecdotally hearing about Smithen. However, I'm going to reserve being overly enthusiastic about him until I see him in some games. After all, he couldn't get any run on a so-so Richmond team. That probably wouldn't have happened if he was capable of coming in and being an impact like Nico Clareth out of the gate. His lack of playing time at Richmond essentially makes him still relatively inexperienced. I mean, does anyone really think Richmond's coach completely failed to notice he had a stud rotting on the bench? I feel like people are putting a lot of expectations on the dude.
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Post by Tony on May 18, 2016 4:02:01 GMT -5
I wouldn’t put too much stock in how much he played at Richmond, The Spiders play the Princeton offense and the coach is notorious for not playing freshmen much unless he has to. Kadeem was behind 2 senior and 2 juniors. I like fact Kadeem was able to practice with team last year so he knows Jimmy’s system. After getting burned by Pat Cole is best player on team comments,. I’ll hold off on Kadeem, but I do think he will help
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 8:33:41 GMT -5
I wouldn’t put too much stock in how much he played at Richmond, The Spiders play the Princeton offense and the coach is notorious for not playing freshmen much unless he has to. Kadeem was behind 2 senior and 2 juniors. I like fact Kadeem was able to practice with team last year so he knows Jimmy’s system. After getting burned by Pat Cole is best player on team comments,. I’ll hold off on Kadeem, but I do think he will help Smithen had 5 assists vs. 1 turnover in 82 minutes as a frosh at Richmond. That stat alone tells me he's already better than Mo White. Jimmy's offense is geared to the 2 pt shot and getting to the line. His highlight video shows that he has a good handle and athleticism and some ability with both hands. I hope he can be a shooter but even if he isn't he's another athlete who can create. Jimmy's style tends to raise the 2pt FG% of the guards.
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Post by indian82 on May 18, 2016 8:38:12 GMT -5
Siena is full of potential stat category leaders. Wright has led the MAAC in Assists JO has led the MAAC in blocks Bisping has led the MAAC in rebounding And both Wright and Clareth are capable of leading the MAAC in steals. Not to mention the fact that Siena as a team just led the MAAC in rebounding margin, FG% offense, and was just behind Quinny in blocks overall....even with Fisher out there. Siena has a lot of ways to beat teams. Monmouth may be hungrier and more disciplined in their style but Siena has abilities that it has not even yet fully taken advantage of....most notably combining all of this established talent with Wright actually playing as PG. For various reasons, the ball was out of the hands of our most efficient passer and ballhandler most of last year. Siena turned it over 16 times per game vs. just 12.5 the year before. With him out there for a full year, as a PG, and combo guys like Smithen, Wormley, Richard, plus a more disciplined Clareth and Long...it would not be hard to see the turnovers drop dramatically. Lavon had a 109-104 assist ratio last year. He did a lot of things well but a 1 to 1 assist ratio out of your primary ballhandler is not good. On top of that, the absence of Wright and the youth of the frosh led to Bisping and JO handling the ball more than they should have. Wright had a 1.8 assist ratio over his 1st 2 years. Moving the ball out of less efficient hands back into his hands should go a long way towards cutting the turnovers down over the long haul. He just needs to be back to 100%. Because of that, I think Siena hasn't reached its peak yet. And that peak may be higher than Monmouths... All good points. Just one question - did you consider Lavon our 'primary ballhandler' last year - even when Wright was out?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 8:55:08 GMT -5
All good points. Just one question - did you consider Lavon our 'primary ballhandler' last year - even when Wright was out? Well, he led the team in both assists and turnovers. He may not have held the ball all the time but when he did have it, something happened, good or bad. In fact, Lavon led the MAAC in turnovers.
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Post by indian82 on May 18, 2016 9:00:58 GMT -5
All good points. Just one question - did you consider Lavon our 'primary ballhandler' last year - even when Wright was out? Well, he led the team in both assists and turnovers. He may not have held the ball all the time but when he did have it, something happened, good or bad. In fact, Lavon led the MAAC in turnovers. Interesting. Thanks. He can get out of control, but has pretty good vision to find teammates. If he can play more under control, he could shine next year. A big IF. We'll see.
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Post by $cott on May 18, 2016 9:14:01 GMT -5
8.3 MPG, 1.6 PPG, 1.2 RPG 11.0 MPG, 1.9 PPG, 2.9 RPG 10.8 MPG, 1.9 PPG, 1.8 RPG
Those are the freshman numbers of Evan Fisher, Ryan Rossiter, and Javion Ogunyemi. I'm as down as anyone on Fisher from what we saw as a freshman but let's see how he performs as a sophomore before we start completely dismissing him from the rotation. It is rare for MAAC big men to do much as freshman.
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Post by Sienafan on May 18, 2016 9:15:19 GMT -5
I wouldn’t put too much stock in how much he played at Richmond, The Spiders play the Princeton offense and the coach is notorious for not playing freshmen much unless he has to. Kadeem was behind 2 senior and 2 juniors. I like fact Kadeem was able to practice with team last year so he knows Jimmy’s system. After getting burned by Pat Cole is best player on team comments,. I’ll hold off on Kadeem, but I do think he will help A fair point. So maybe Richmond's coach did make an error by not giving a freshman some run who would have contributed had he be given a chance. In natural ability alone, Smithen appears to be an upgrade over what we've seen among Siena's reserve options the past few years. The team has been lacking in guard depth, speed and athleticism. He appears to provide all three. Smithen had 5 assists vs. 1 turnover in 82 minutes as a frosh at Richmond. That stat alone tells me he's already better than Mo White. Jimmy's offense is geared to the 2 pt shot and getting to the line. His highlight video shows that he has a good handle and athleticism and some ability with both hands. I hope he can be a shooter but even if he isn't he's another athlete who can create. Jimmy's style tends to raise the 2pt FG% of the guards. Being better than Mo White is a fairly low bar. That said, if someone as cautious about new recruit hype as you typically are can be optimistic about Smithen, that's probably a good sign.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 9:46:15 GMT -5
Well, he led the team in both assists and turnovers. He may not have held the ball all the time but when he did have it, something happened, good or bad. In fact, Lavon led the MAAC in turnovers. Interesting. Thanks. He can get out of control, but has pretty good vision to find teammates. If he can play more under control, he could shine next year. A big IF. We'll see. Lavon actually did ok in my opinion. But, let's face it, he's horrible in the open court. He's not a PG. He is a mismatch combo forward just like he's always been. He barrels into people and he's not quick or agile enough to avoid guys who step in front of him to draw the charge. Wright would not run into those charges. My point is that by playing Long more in his traditional role, let's say you replace half of Long's assists (109-104 ratio) and give them to Wright. So we say that Long, at his assist ratio, now has 55 assists and 52 turnovers. If Wright plays like his 1st 2 years, those other 54 assists have just 30 turnovers associated with them...because Wright has a higher assist ratio. So you still get those 109 assists, but now you only have 82 turnovers. You just saved the team 22 turnovers on the year....just by taking the ball out of Lavon's hands and putting it in Wright's. Now, Lavon is just one guy... Bisping, JO, Clareth, Oliver, and Wormley count in this thing too. Bisping had 80 turnovers last year. JO had 66. JO had 42 the year before and Bisping had 50 in 38 games during the CBI year. LL, Bisping, and JO handled the ball way too much last year. The 3 of them alone had 250 turnovers. Clareth was a frosh and had a 75-77 ratio as well. He had to do a lot too. Just by merely letting Wright be his freshman/sophomore pure PG self again, this team could easily cut 50-60 or more turnovers off its total. This is my point. We have great individual stars but they don't need to go 1 on 1 all the time. The offense can create the opportunities for them. Make Wright the actual PG full time again. Let him run the show, but not look to score as much...especially from three. Wright, by career numbers, has the lowest FG% of the group and outside of his early season tear he's been a poor 3pt shooter. Let Wright be Wright. Put the ball in his hands as more of a facilitator and the whole team will benefit.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 10:01:23 GMT -5
8.3 MPG, 1.6 PPG, 1.2 RPG 11.0 MPG, 1.9 PPG, 2.9 RPG 10.8 MPG, 1.9 PPG, 1.8 RPG Those are the freshman numbers of Evan Fisher, Ryan Rossiter, and Javion Ogunyemi. I'm as down as anyone on Fisher from what we saw as a freshman but let's see how he performs as a sophomore before we start completely dismissing him from the rotation. It is rare for MAAC big men to do much as freshman. RyRo's 2.9 boards equated to 7.9 per 30 minutes...not bad. JO's 1.8 boards equates to 5...he improved a little last year...to 5.8...still not great. Fishers' 1.2 boards equates to just 4.3 boards. But JO also was a good shotblocker as a frosh. Fisher isn't. Fisher's scoring could pick up, but his rebounding and defense is the real issue. That's where he needs to step up.
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Post by indian82 on May 18, 2016 10:04:29 GMT -5
Interesting. Thanks. He can get out of control, but has pretty good vision to find teammates. If he can play more under control, he could shine next year. A big IF. We'll see. Lavon actually did ok in my opinion. But, let's face it, he's horrible in the open court. He's not a PG. He is a mismatch combo forward just like he's always been. He barrels into people and he's not quick or agile enough to avoid guys who step in front of him to draw the charge. Wright would not run into those charges. My point is that by playing Long more in his traditional role, let's say you replace half of Long's assists (109-104 ratio) and give them to Wright. So we say that Long, at his assist ratio, now has 55 assists and 52 turnovers. If Wright plays like his 1st 2 years, those other 54 assists have just 30 turnovers associated with them...because Wright has a higher assist ratio. So you still get those 109 assists, but now you only have 82 turnovers. You just saved the team 22 turnovers on the year....just by taking the ball out of Lavon's hands and putting it in Wright's. Now, Lavon is just one guy... Bisping, JO, Clareth, Oliver, and Wormley count in this thing too. Bisping had 80 turnovers last year. JO had 66. JO had 42 the year before and Bisping had 50 in 38 games during the CBI year. LL, Bisping, and JO handled the ball way too much last year. The 3 of them alone had 250 turnovers. Clareth was a frosh and had a 75-77 ratio as well. He had to do a lot too. Just by merely letting Wright be his freshman/sophomore pure PG self again, this team could easily cut 50-60 or more turnovers off its total. This is my point. We have great individual stars but they don't need to go 1 on 1 all the time. The offense can create the opportunities for them. Make Wright the actual PG full time again. Let him run the show, but not look to score as much...especially from three. Wright, by career numbers, has the lowest FG% of the group and outside of his early season tear he's been a poor 3pt shooter. Let Wright be Wright. Put the ball in his hands as more of a facilitator and the whole team will benefit. I agree almost 100%. If Marquis still has that shot, I don't mind if he can hit at a decent clip, just that it shouldn't be his first option - only when open. That would even open things up for him even more to drive and dish. And I hope that MW and NC can run the open court some more with one of the bigger guys as a trailer to finish up if necessary.
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Post by knicksaint on May 18, 2016 10:26:24 GMT -5
Siena is full of potential stat category leaders. Wright has led the MAAC in Assists JO has led the MAAC in blocks Bisping has led the MAAC in rebounding And both Wright and Clareth are capable of leading the MAAC in steals. Not to mention the fact that Siena as a team just led the MAAC in rebounding margin, FG% offense, and was just behind Quinny in blocks overall....even with Fisher out there. Siena has a lot of ways to beat teams. Monmouth may be hungrier and more disciplined in their style but Siena has abilities that it has not even yet fully taken advantage of....most notably combining all of this established talent with Wright actually playing as PG. For various reasons, the ball was out of the hands of our most efficient passer and ballhandler most of last year. Siena turned it over 16 times per game vs. just 12.5 the year before. With him out there for a full year, as a PG, and combo guys like Smithen, Wormley, Richard, plus a more disciplined Clareth and Long...it would not be hard to see the turnovers drop dramatically. Lavon had a 109-104 assist ratio last year. He did a lot of things well but a 1 to 1 assist ratio out of your primary ballhandler is not good. On top of that, the absence of Wright and the youth of the frosh led to Bisping and JO handling the ball more than they should have. Wright had a 1.8 assist ratio over his 1st 2 years. Moving the ball out of less efficient hands back into his hands should go a long way towards cutting the turnovers down over the long haul. He just needs to be back to 100%. Because of that, I think Siena hasn't reached its peak yet. And that peak may be higher than Monmouths... I would not say Monmouth may be hungrier. We have four seniors who have not even played in the best of the rest tournaments, the NIT. They have not won a MAAC championship and have not even made it to Monday night. What was our best out of conference win the past three years - at Fresno State in 2014? Compare that to Monmouth and it is no contest. If our guys are not ravenous, I will be very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 10:32:07 GMT -5
I agree almost 100%. If Marquis still has that shot, I don't mind if he can hit at a decent clip, just that it shouldn't be his first option - only when open. That would even open things up for him even more to drive and dish. And I hope that MW and NC can run the open court some more with one of the bigger guys as a trailer to finish up if necessary. Wright, Wormely, Clareth, LL, Smithen, and Richard all have the handle and passing ability to have a positive assist ratio. Even Joseph had a 46-45 assist ratio last year in JUCO. And Bisping, JO, and WB all have decent handles as bigs and enough IQ to improve. There is absolutely no reason for Siena to be as turnover prone as it was last year. No reason whatsoever. You want to beat Monmouth. It starts here. They beat us because of points off of our own turnovers (25pts per game). Siena is providing easy offense for its competition. That has to stop right now. Fix that, we win it all.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 10:52:43 GMT -5
I would not say Monmouth may be hungrier. We have four seniors who have not even played in the best of the rest tournaments, the NIT. They have not won a MAAC championship and have not even made it to Monday night. What was our best out of conference win the past three years - at Fresno State in 2014? Compare that to Monmouth and it is no contest. If our guys are not ravenous, I will be very disappointed. Monmouth vs. Siena Boards = SienaSteals = Monmouth (Siena could close gap with Wright for a full year, and not having Oliver) Blocks = SienaAPG = SienaBall control = Monmouth(Wright as PG ....) FG% = SienaFT% = Monmouth FTA = Siena (neck & neck but Oliver never attacked) 3pt% = Siena by a nose (but we lose Oliver) Effective FG% Defense = Monmouth (ranked 26, us 57th) We get more athletic and get WB back. Fouling = Monmouth Siena is neck and neck with Monmouth but has a big advantage on the interior impact wise. Bisping and JO had some good games against them. If Siena fixes the turnover margin disparity, Monmouth loses its primary advantage. They depend on turning steals into points and not allowing their opponents to do the same to them. They depend on the turnover margin game as much as Siena depends on the rebound margin game. By improving this we simultaneously improve ourselves and diminish their strengths. Even this out, and Siena wins because of the rest of their strengths. Monmouth also has to make the decision on which direction to go post-Deon Jones. Guard or big? I'm not sure they have anyone who can do both as effectively as he could.
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Post by saintsandeagles on May 18, 2016 13:29:55 GMT -5
I would not say Monmouth may be hungrier. We have four seniors who have not even played in the best of the rest tournaments, the NIT. They have not won a MAAC championship and have not even made it to Monday night. What was our best out of conference win the past three years - at Fresno State in 2014? Compare that to Monmouth and it is no contest. If our guys are not ravenous, I will be very disappointed. Monmouth vs. Siena Boards = SienaSteals = Monmouth (Siena could close gap with Wright for a full year, and not having Oliver) Blocks = SienaAPG = SienaBall control = Monmouth(Wright as PG ....) FG% = SienaFT% = Monmouth FTA = Siena (neck & neck but Oliver never attacked) 3pt% = Siena by a nose (but we lose Oliver) Effective FG% Defense = Monmouth (ranked 26, us 57th) We get more athletic and get WB back. Fouling = Monmouth Siena is neck and neck with Monmouth but has a big advantage on the interior impact wise. Bisping and JO had some good games against them. If Siena fixes the turnover margin disparity, Monmouth loses its primary advantage. They depend on turning steals into points and not allowing their opponents to do the same to them. They depend on the turnover margin game as much as Siena depends on the rebound margin game. By improving this we simultaneously improve ourselves and diminish their strengths. Even this out, and Siena wins because of the rest of their strengths. Monmouth also has to make the decision on which direction to go post-Deon Jones. Guard or big? I'm not sure they have anyone who can do both as effectively as he could. Haven't looked at the numbers, but I would assume Monmouth takes more 3s per game. If they shoot the same percentage and take more of them that gives them a few extra points a game. We can overcome that with better 2 pt shooting and rebounding, but we can't afford to give them extra chances and good looks in transition.
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