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Post by indian82 on Mar 22, 2016 21:23:29 GMT -5
Three round of 32 appearances in 28 years which is pretty good for a mid-major program. Iona and many other mid-majors would give their right leg for one. Manhattan has two which is pretty good. Siena and Manhattan are the only MAAC programs to really do anything on a national stage. Success 3 times in 27 years. Or on average every 9 years. JP will get his soon. Bahaha!!! Who in the MAAC has done better??? IT KILLS YOU!!!
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 23, 2016 6:20:16 GMT -5
What makes Siena different than the rest of the MAAC? Fan base, TUC.
What brings Siena back to the pack? Success of winning coaches and watching them move up. An administration that could have similar success at choosing coaches by playing a game of pin the tail on the donkey or Rock-paper-scissors
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Post by siena95 on Mar 23, 2016 12:20:28 GMT -5
What makes Siena different than the rest of the MAAC? Fan base, TUC. What brings Siena back to the pack? Success of winning coaches and watching them move up. An administration that could have similar success at choosing coaches by playing a game of pin the tail on the donkey or Rock-paper-scissors well put! The things that make Siena different are counterbalanced by an admin that is constantly playing both sides of the fence. The A10 was a pipe-dream and i for one am glad it never came to pass. Our Admin can't handle success on this level, how the hell would they handle any success or the financial ramifications of the next level? Siena has an issue with a HC making $300K (regardless of where the cash comes from) try paying a coach a million dollars and see what would happen! before everyone goes and quotes me how much fran made, i know exactly what he made, and how much that caused issues internally (again, regardless where the extra cash came from)... so when fran left, they cut that payroll in 1/3, partially to appease the college as a whole.
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Post by MTS on Mar 23, 2016 12:33:23 GMT -5
What makes Siena different than the rest of the MAAC? Fan base, TUC. What brings Siena back to the pack? Success of winning coaches and watching them move up. An administration that could have similar success at choosing coaches by playing a game of pin the tail on the donkey or Rock-paper-scissors well put! The things that make Siena different are counterbalanced by an admin that is constantly playing both sides of the fence. The A10 was a pipe-dream and i for one am glad it never came to pass. Our Admin can't handle success on this level, how the hell would they handle any success or the financial ramifications of the next level? Siena has an issue with a HC making $300K (regardless of where the cash comes from) try paying a coach a million dollars and see what would happen! before everyone goes and quotes me how much fran made, i know exactly what he made, and how much that caused issues internally (again, regardless where the extra cash came from)... so when fran left, they cut that payroll in 1/3, partially to appease the college as a whole. Do the academics have a problem when the team is doing well and the school is attracting better applicants? I don't think so. The head football/basketball coach in college sports makes a lot more than professors do. Deal with it. It's called supply and demand. Is it fair? Well life isn't fair. They should see how their colleagues feel who teach at BCS schools. These liberal elites can't see the forest through the trees.
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Post by siena95 on Mar 23, 2016 12:47:33 GMT -5
MTS, i wont get into it with you on this as you come at this from a completely different angle. Siena is lucky in the support they have, but lets face it, they are not endowed millions of dollars to run the program (do you honestly think Saban, Kelly etc get paid exclusively by the school? huge donors control that purse) and when a school who like it or not, is struggling financially like many other private institutions, when they see the highest paid employee is a basketball coach, it doesn't sit well with the academia.... i am not saying it doesn't suck and i am also not saying it is the way it should be, but the fact is the Athletic department has had the same faces for a long time and the bear very little power.... and i guarantee if you polled the science department at any BCS school, they would say it is ridiculous how much coaches make. as much as you want siena to be something it isn't, the fact remains we are in the MAAC for a reason and have had the wild rollercoaster ride of success and failure for a reason.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 23, 2016 13:00:21 GMT -5
MTS, i wont get into it with you on this as you come at this from a completely different angle. Siena is lucky in the support they have, but lets face it, they are not endowed millions of dollars to run the program (do you honestly think Saban, Kelly etc get paid exclusively by the school? huge donors control that purse) and when a school who like it or not, is struggling financially like many other private institutions, when they see the highest paid employee is a basketball coach, it doesn't sit well with the academia.... i am not saying it doesn't suck and i am also not saying it is the way it should be, but the fact is the Athletic department has had the same faces for a long time and the bear very little power.... and i guarantee if you polled the science department at any BCS school, they would say it is ridiculous how much coaches make. as much as you want siena to be something it isn't, the fact remains we are in the MAAC for a reason and have had the wild rollercoaster ride of success and failure for a reason. Adding fuel to the fire www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/03/22/straight-cash-tony-virginias-bennett-other-sweet-16-coaches-rake-in-bonus-money/
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 23, 2016 13:29:16 GMT -5
MTS, i wont get into it with you on this as you come at this from a completely different angle. Siena is lucky in the support they have, but lets face it, they are not endowed millions of dollars to run the program (do you honestly think Saban, Kelly etc get paid exclusively by the school? huge donors control that purse) and when a school who like it or not, is struggling financially like many other private institutions, when they see the highest paid employee is a basketball coach, it doesn't sit well with the academia.... i am not saying it doesn't suck and i am also not saying it is the way it should be, but the fact is the Athletic department has had the same faces for a long time and the bear very little power.... and i guarantee if you polled the science department at any BCS school, they would say it is ridiculous how much coaches make. as much as you want siena to be something it isn't, the fact remains we are in the MAAC for a reason and have had the wild roller coaster ride of success and failure for a reason. not to mention, our society's priorities are sideways and have been for a long time. Like it or not MTS.... this statement is unequivocally true. Then again greed is supposedly what makes it all work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 13:38:51 GMT -5
Very true that success in whatever major sport(s) exist at a college or university attracts a larger pool of applicants from which the best can be chosen. We all know the economics governing that side of the business. Not much different on the academic side - schools must graduate students with degrees that have real value in the market place - success of graduates in whatever field increases the value of a degree from that institution AND the pool of applicants who come for academic reasons also increases. When professors see coaches making double, triple or higher multiples of their own salaries, the good ones (read that marketable) leave and the overall value of their department's degrees is diminished. Both factions must coexist and when one gets out of balance enrollment drops and budget issues get magnified.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 14:25:11 GMT -5
well put! The things that make Siena different are counterbalanced by an admin that is constantly playing both sides of the fence. The A10 was a pipe-dream and i for one am glad it never came to pass. Our Admin can't handle success on this level, how the hell would they handle any success or the financial ramifications of the next level? Siena has an issue with a HC making $300K (regardless of where the cash comes from) try paying a coach a million dollars and see what would happen! before everyone goes and quotes me how much fran made, i know exactly what he made, and how much that caused issues internally (again, regardless where the extra cash came from)... so when fran left, they cut that payroll in 1/3, partially to appease the college as a whole. Do the academics have a problem when the team is doing well and the school is attracting better applicants? I don't think so. The head football/basketball coach in college sports makes a lot more than professors do. Deal with it. It's called supply and demand. Is it fair? Well life isn't fair. They should see how their colleagues feel who teach at BCS schools. These liberal elites can't see the forest through the trees. Bernie,Bernie,Bernie!!!!!! He'll level the playing field. Hahaha
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Post by olddave on Mar 23, 2016 19:19:21 GMT -5
Very true that success in whatever major sport(s) exist at a college or university attracts a larger pool of applicants from which the best can be chosen. We all know the economics governing that side of the business. Not much different on the academic side - schools must graduate students with degrees that have real value in the market place - success of graduates in whatever field increases the value of a degree from that institution AND the pool of applicants who come for academic reasons also increases. When professors see coaches making double, triple or higher multiples of their own salaries, the good ones (read that marketable) leave and the overall value of their department's degrees is diminished. Both factions must coexist and when one gets out of balance enrollment drops and budget issues get magnified. Well said. And tome to put the school in financial order. Pendulum swings both ways hopefully new president can right the ship.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 24, 2016 8:52:12 GMT -5
Rodger W saying it's a done deal, just pending press release.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 9:06:41 GMT -5
Rodger W saying it's a done deal, just pending press release. He would know, viewing the world of Siena basketball from his perch high atop the UA campus!
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 24, 2016 9:48:30 GMT -5
I spoke to someone today who knows JP well and he confirmed too
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Post by melva on Mar 24, 2016 14:02:00 GMT -5
Thanks BigSaintg a barrel of information. You have at one time or another given the message board the depth chart of the womens team and now this. Thank you
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Post by billmurray on Mar 24, 2016 14:43:42 GMT -5
Thanks BigSaintg a barrel of information. You have at one time or another given the message board the depth chart of the womens team and now this. Thank you Odd yet troll-like response. ;-)
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