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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 22, 2016 12:14:49 GMT -5
Would be interesting to know how many MAAC coaches have moved to greener $$$ pastures in those 12 years. i believe all of the coaches that were here when Patsos started ... are all gone (and then some). The Magarity types never win much but win just enough to stick around. In the MAAC, if youre good, you eventually move up. If you arent... youre eventually fired and wind up an assistant somewhere.
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Post by Papi on Mar 22, 2016 12:18:03 GMT -5
In case you guys haven't noticed this is the maac and once in a while a team will have a good run of conference titles and tournament titles, no team has dominated this conference for more than a few years at a time. Just comes down to a real good recruiting class or a stud player or an impact transfer.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 22, 2016 13:30:10 GMT -5
In case you guys haven't noticed this is the maac and once in a while a team will have a good run of conference titles and tournament titles, no team has dominated this conference for more than a few years at a time. Just comes down to a real good recruiting class or a stud player or an impact transfer. In a conference like the MAAC if you can really excel you usually move on (Fran Paul Mike) this leads to the yo yoing effect (Mitch Beyer Rob). Now if your admins / AD are smart and have a decent vetting process you can hit on a good coach more often unfortunately Siena's AD is a 500 guy. The danger is hiring the forever 500 coach that does just enough every once in awhile but languishes until the program falls into an unrepairable state of irrelevance.
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Post by melva on Mar 22, 2016 14:16:18 GMT -5
The coach that just provides hype and hope every year gets paid again (extension) If you are a MAAC lifer consistency ( aka Mr. 500) of being mediocre will always be there. Not many 500 coaches become consistent winners. Hey I m making money why fix it? Siena basketball IMO opinion can be great. Sad : (
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Post by Papi on Mar 22, 2016 14:19:20 GMT -5
How many championships does Siena have in the maac? If the answer is less than 10, Siena in no different than most Maac teams. They will win every so often its part of life as a maac team. If JP is here 10+ years they will win one or two.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 22, 2016 14:52:09 GMT -5
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Post by billmurray on Mar 22, 2016 15:39:15 GMT -5
So all this and it hasn't happened. LOL
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Post by olddave on Mar 22, 2016 16:29:12 GMT -5
What bothers me the most is that Patsos has a pretty bland MAAC resume and really hasn't recruited all that well outside of Wright and Nico at Siena. So given the below recap why would anyone be excited about a contract extension. 12 years is a pretty good sampling of who you are as a coach.... Why do some think he'll improve? Serious question. To me it screams mediocre. Jimmy Patsos after 12 Years in the MAAC MAAC Accomplishments: 0 First Place Finishes (MAAC Titles Regular Season) 2 Second Place Finishes 3 Thirds Place Finishes 0 Fourth Place Finishes 2 Fifth Place Finishes 5 Sixth or Lower Place Finishes 1 MAAC Tournament Championship Post Season: 1 NCAA Appearance 3 āCā Tournament Appearances Winning Percentage: Loyola - .518 Siena - .505 MAAC Life Time - .514 Trying to be neutral, and yes JP does pies me off at times, lets ne fair. Five of the years used in above evaluation was when JP had to coach against the beloved St. Fran. Sorry can't have it both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 16:40:43 GMT -5
What bothers me the most is that Patsos has a pretty bland MAAC resume and really hasn't recruited all that well outside of Wright and Nico at Siena. So given the below recap why would anyone be excited about a contract extension. 12 years is a pretty good sampling of who you are as a coach.... Why do some think he'll improve? Serious question. To me it screams mediocre. Jimmy Patsos after 12 Years in the MAAC MAAC Accomplishments: 0 First Place Finishes (MAAC Titles Regular Season) 2 Second Place Finishes 3 Thirds Place Finishes 0 Fourth Place Finishes 2 Fifth Place Finishes 5 Sixth or Lower Place Finishes 1 MAAC Tournament Championship Post Season: 1 NCAA Appearance 3 āCā Tournament Appearances Winning Percentage: Loyola - .518 Siena - .505 MAAC Life Time - .514 Trying to be neutral, and yes JP does pies me off at times, lets ne fair. Five of the years used in above evaluation was when JP had to coach against the beloved St. Fran. Sorry can't have it both ways. Your argument might have a little merit had the Greyhounds finished right behind Siena during the years you want to discount. No one is looking at JP to fill Fran's shoes, he couldn't keep one on with both his feet in it!
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Post by indian82 on Mar 22, 2016 16:47:08 GMT -5
How many championships does Siena have in the maac? If the answer is less than 10, Siena in no different than most Maac teams. They will win every so often its part of life as a maac team. If JP is here 10+ years they will win one or two. Most fans of decent programs are not satisfied with one or twice every 10 years. That's a tad above mediocrity. If you're satisfied with that, then fine. Most are not. And you're either uninformed, crazy, drunk or just trying to be antagonistic if you believe Siena is no different than most MAAC teams because we don't have 10 championships. That's just a stupid comment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 16:53:32 GMT -5
How many championships does Siena have in the maac? If the answer is less than 10, Siena in no different than most Maac teams. They will win every so often its part of life as a maac team. If JP is here 10+ years they will win one or two. Most fans of decent programs are not satisfied with one or twice every 10 years. That's a tad above mediocrity. If you're satisfied with that, then fine. Most are not. And you're either uninformed, crazy, drunk or just trying to be antagonistic if you believe Siena is no different than most MAAC teams because we don't have 10 championships. That's just a stupid comment. My bet is antagonistic.
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Post by melva on Mar 22, 2016 17:02:32 GMT -5
Serious attack of lunacy in administration. They re just giving away money ( extensions) in men and womens basketball. Someone else should take over power of attourney!!!
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Post by olddave on Mar 22, 2016 17:11:39 GMT -5
Trying to be neutral, and yes JP does pies me off at times, lets ne fair. Five of the years used in above evaluation was when JP had to coach against the beloved St. Fran. Sorry can't have it both ways. Your argument might have a little merit had the Greyhounds finished right behind Siena during the years you want to discount. No one is looking at JP to fill Fran's shoes, he couldn't keep one on with both his feet in it! Fran vs. JP 6/10. 06-08 those 2 years Loyola beat Siena 4 straight. Other 3 years Siena swept.
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Post by Papi on Mar 22, 2016 18:33:24 GMT -5
How many championships does Siena have in the maac? If the answer is less than 10, Siena in no different than most Maac teams. They will win every so often its part of life as a maac team. If JP is here 10+ years they will win one or two. Most fans of decent programs are not satisfied with one or twice every 10 years. That's a tad above mediocrity. If you're satisfied with that, then fine. Most are not. And you're either uninformed, crazy, drunk or just trying to be antagonistic if you believe Siena is no different than most MAAC teams because we don't have 10 championships. That's just a stupid comment. It's called reality. Please tell me the difference in Siena and the rest of the maac and the number of championships they have in the past 25 years?
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Post by olddave on Mar 22, 2016 19:07:30 GMT -5
FUI, p the MAAC Iona 8 Siena 5 Manhattan 5 LaSalle 4 FF,SP 3 each
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