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Post by mjs72 on Mar 10, 2016 14:18:15 GMT -5
Misspractice, I assume you are referring to Paul Hewitt as Fran and Mike Deane never shirked from the limelight. JP has a huge personality but seems to care for the kids and want them to grow as people more than the usual coach. Sure he can, and probably should be, questioned about the recruiting year that brought in Paige and Gottfried but his first and third years seem to be working out well and the jury is still out on WB. Some on the board have been critical of Luscious Jordan's recruiting but a change there would likely make our relationship with the City Rocks even worse than it reportedly is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 14:20:15 GMT -5
Why is our relationship so bad? Because we won't take the players that aren't good enough and we don't land the ones that are?
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 10, 2016 14:27:50 GMT -5
Nico and Kenny were solid additions. Jury's still out in Fisher and LaRose both who have speed issues. JP was hesitant to use them consistently or vs quicker better MAAC programs. As far as the City Rocks goes we took LaRose who had no other D1 options. Too bad we haven't been able to cultivate a relationship with a major AAU program in our own backyard. I though this might be an area JP could bridge. Let's see what happens with Trueheart.
As far as Evan goes bigs take some time to develop I'm hoping he makes progress during the off season. You can't teach size. For LaRose with addition of more athletic guards (Smithen and Richards) and Tom H playing time is going to get harder and harder to come by unless he makes a major jump next season.
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Post by mjs72 on Mar 10, 2016 14:40:35 GMT -5
Why is our relationship so bad? Because we won't take the players that aren't good enough and we don't land the ones that are? Wasn't part of the problem when Siena passed over Carm Macariello (sp) for an assistant job?
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Post by th24 on Mar 10, 2016 16:26:02 GMT -5
Sarcasm?! What a load of crap! Jimmy has done a GREAT job for Siena- especially when you consider the lack of talent & athleticism from the Mitch era! This was the first year people can once again be proud of Siena Basketball! In large part because of talent that was recuited! And it's only going to get better under Jimmy! Mrs. Patsos, Please put the pom poms down for just a second. First, you are partially correct that people can again be proud of Siena Basketball. But it isn't the first year, far from it. In fact its not even the first year since JP has been our coach. Remember the CBI Championship. Right it wasn't a great year but boy did they finish strong. But, this blame it on Bush, err PW, is beyond old. There are only 4 PW guys on the team. 2 role players and two All MAACers one 1st and one 2nd team. JP has a couple on the roster that he recruited who have proven to be ALL MAAC level (Wright & Clareth) and a few more with real potential. But with all the advantages that Siena has over many other MM programs (which JP used to talk about all the time before he became our coach) I would hardly say he has done a "GREAT" job on the recruiting trail. I would also say he has improved as a coach but with loses this year to: Cornell, SPC, VT, Marist, FF, I would most definitely NOT say he has done a "GREAT" job. I Siena won 4 of those games think of how different the 25-8 Saints RPI would be and then there would likely be real talk about getting into the NIT. That would be a "GREAT" job. In conclusion, IMO JP has earned a B in his time as Siena's coach and no matter how much you wave the pom poms in our faces has not done a "GREAT" job. He grade will go down immensely if he doesn't land high level recruits, particularly at the 3 & 5 positions, for this coming or the following season. Mrs Patsos ?! Sorry, try again ! Wrong gender, nationality, and age! And it has been stated before - it takes time to build a program! And recruits have only gotten better during Jimmys tenure!
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Post by Tony on Mar 10, 2016 16:44:18 GMT -5
Misspractice, I assume you are referring to Paul Hewitt as Fran and Mike Deane never shirked from the limelight. JP has a huge personality but seems to care for the kids and want them to grow as people more than the usual coach. Sure he can, and probably should be, questioned about the recruiting year that brought in Paige and Gottfried but his first and third years seem to be working out well and the jury is still out on WB. Some on the board have been critical of Luscious Jordan's recruiting but a change there would likely make our relationship with the City Rocks even worse than it reportedly is. If you dont get anyone of any consequence from Rocks - how can it get worse? I think Jimmy needs to look at a replacement there- since from an outsider it doesn't look like Jordan is helping us with rocks--or anywhere else on recruiting trail for that matter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 16:53:40 GMT -5
Mrs. Patsos, Please put the pom poms down for just a second. First, you are partially correct that people can again be proud of Siena Basketball. But it isn't the first year, far from it. In fact its not even the first year since JP has been our coach. Remember the CBI Championship. Right it wasn't a great year but boy did they finish strong. But, this blame it on Bush, err PW, is beyond old. There are only 4 PW guys on the team. 2 role players and two All MAACers one 1st and one 2nd team. JP has a couple on the roster that he recruited who have proven to be ALL MAAC level (Wright & Clareth) and a few more with real potential. But with all the advantages that Siena has over many other MM programs (which JP used to talk about all the time before he became our coach) I would hardly say he has done a "GREAT" job on the recruiting trail. I would also say he has improved as a coach but with loses this year to: Cornell, SPC, VT, Marist, FF, I would most definitely NOT say he has done a "GREAT" job. I Siena won 4 of those games think of how different the 25-8 Saints RPI would be and then there would likely be real talk about getting into the NIT. That would be a "GREAT" job. In conclusion, IMO JP has earned a B in his time as Siena's coach and no matter how much you wave the pom poms in our faces has not done a "GREAT" job. He grade will go down immensely if he doesn't land high level recruits, particularly at the 3 & 5 positions, for this coming or the following season. Mrs Patsos ?! Sorry, try again ! Wrong gender, nationality, and age! And it has been stated before - it takes time to build a program! And recruits have only gotten better during Jimmys tenure! LMAO ! (In English that would be LMAO!).
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Post by Tony on Mar 10, 2016 16:56:02 GMT -5
This thread is all over the place- my original intent was not to drag Jimmy thru the mud. I took exception to his comment “do it the Monmouth” way. Would much rather he said do it the Siena way- same way Mike Deane, Paul Hewitt and Fran did it- with 4 year players. I wanted him to get out and recruit, and not rest of his laurels ( not saying he was) if we are a safety school for truehart..fine, what other kids are in pipeline- we lost Barnes to BU—fine—what other kids are in pipeline. It never hurts to recruit 2 or 3 really good kids that play the same position. It’s rather early for some of you guys to be going off deep end
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 17:11:09 GMT -5
For th24:
"chúng tôi biết bạn là ai !"
now let's get back to talking about Siena's postseason chances.
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 10, 2016 21:24:04 GMT -5
Mrs. Patsos, Please put the pom poms down for just a second. First, you are partially correct that people can again be proud of Siena Basketball. But it isn't the first year, far from it. In fact its not even the first year since JP has been our coach. Remember the CBI Championship. Right it wasn't a great year but boy did they finish strong. But, this blame it on Bush, err PW, is beyond old. There are only 4 PW guys on the team. 2 role players and two All MAACers one 1st and one 2nd team. JP has a couple on the roster that he recruited who have proven to be ALL MAAC level (Wright & Clareth) and a few more with real potential. But with all the advantages that Siena has over many other MM programs (which JP used to talk about all the time before he became our coach) I would hardly say he has done a "GREAT" job on the recruiting trail. I would also say he has improved as a coach but with loses this year to: Cornell, SPC, VT, Marist, FF, I would most definitely NOT say he has done a "GREAT" job. I Siena won 4 of those games think of how different the 25-8 Saints RPI would be and then there would likely be real talk about getting into the NIT. That would be a "GREAT" job. In conclusion, IMO JP has earned a B in his time as Siena's coach and no matter how much you wave the pom poms in our faces has not done a "GREAT" job. He grade will go down immensely if he doesn't land high level recruits, particularly at the 3 & 5 positions, for this coming or the following season. Mrs Patsos ?! Sorry, try again ! Wrong gender, nationality, and age! And it has been stated before - it takes time to build a program! And recruits have only gotten better during Jimmys tenure! Too many details in your denial....must have really struck a nerve... GREAT coaches rebuild in 3 years or less, JP did not need to build a program as you allege. Again, JP has done a good job. B U T he has quite a bit of room for growth and your constant 'rah rah JP is great' don't any of you dare have critical, yet constructive, discussions has gone to far IMO. As I pointed out above and several others have in previous posts and threads there are a few very important things that JP needs to address before any objective sports fan should ever consider using a superlative like "GREAT" when describing the job he has done to this point. I sincerely hope in a couple years we all agree that he is great!
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Post by billmurray on Mar 10, 2016 21:42:27 GMT -5
I believe Patsos gave himself and the program a B this season. He doesn't seem to see the results as great. We all want improvement. Patsos, the players and the fans. Too many people parse every comment and miss the point that for the most part we are all on the same page. There is always room for improvement. We didn't win the MAAC championship, that is the goal and is not expected every year. Relax and move on to the post season, late signing period and next year's pre season. Everyone wants to take a step forward.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 10, 2016 22:20:09 GMT -5
This thread is all over the place- my original intent was not to drag Jimmy thru the mud. I took exception to his comment “do it the Monmouth” way. Would much rather he said do it the Siena way- same way Mike Deane, Paul Hewitt and Fran did it- with 4 year players. I wanted him to get out and recruit, and not rest of his laurels ( not saying he was) if we are a safety school for truehart..fine, what other kids are in pipeline- we lost Barnes to BU—fine—what other kids are in pipeline. It never hurts to recruit 2 or 3 really good kids that play the same position. It’s rather early for some of you guys to be going off deep end We need to recruit more athletic kids. I'm hoping Smithen and Richards help in that area. I couldn't give a rats ass how Iona and Monmouth choose to run their programs. As you correctly pointed out successful Siena coaches had no problem recruiting and competing. It all boils down to how much effort you want to spend tracking down players and how well you can sell them on all things that are Siena.
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Post by Papi on Mar 10, 2016 22:28:10 GMT -5
I haven't seen Jim Hart at a Siena game in a few years. He had court side seats for years.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 10, 2016 22:29:39 GMT -5
I haven't seen Jim Hart at a Siena game in a few years. He had court side seats for years. Was there during the Fran years and Ubiiles. Haven't seen him since.
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Post by Tony on Mar 11, 2016 6:00:22 GMT -5
We need to recruit more athletic kids. I'm hoping Smithen and Richards help in that area. I couldn't give a rats ass how Iona and Monmouth choose to run their programs. As you correctly pointed out successful Siena coaches had no problem recruiting and competing. It all boils down to how much effort you want to spend tracking down players and how well you can sell them on all things that are Siena. There we go Oneindian- really like the Jonathan Joseph commitment. Very athletic kid , who should be able to give us quality depth at 3. We are shaping up as a very good defensive team next year who should be able to really press opposing teams- the additions of Smithin, WB, Richard’s and now Joseph will make Saints as athletic a team as you’ll find in MAAC
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