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Post by CellarRat on Jan 26, 2014 11:38:29 GMT -5
I also believe the tea party is one of the worst things to ever happen to our political system. Funny - That's almost the exact same thing King George said about 240 years ago!  Lol. History repeats itself because people don't pay attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 18:58:27 GMT -5
I've obviously left this conversation due to the rhetoric that is for the most part verbatim from the national level on down. But when the tea party comes up. .. I definitely agree that this is walking a precarious cliff edge but.... I also believe the tea party is one of the worst things to ever happen to our political system. This is verbatim from the Dems play book..heels dug in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 19:07:38 GMT -5
I've obviously left this conversation due to the rhetoric that is for the most part verbatim from the national level on down. But when the tea party comes up. .. I definitely agree that this is walking a precarious cliff edge but.... I also believe the tea party is one of the worst things to ever happen to our political system. This is verbatim from the Dems play book..heels dug in. Can you give me a link to that play book? I agree with SF that the Tea Party is a disaster (for this country) in the making and voiced that opinion when they first emerged out of the shadows of the Republican Party. I'd like to read the playbook to see if my words have been plagiarized! |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 26, 2014 19:28:41 GMT -5
This is verbatim from the Dems play book..heels dug in. Can you give me a link to that play book? I agree with SF that the Tea Party is a disaster (for this country) in the making and voiced that opinion when they first emerged out of the shadows of the Republican Party. I'd like to read the playbook to see if my words have been plagiarized! Most liberals don't like the tea party so I'm not surprised about your position. Can you tell me exactly what you don't like. Smaller responsible government, lower taxes etc. And please spare me the crap about the tea party being radicals and racists. From what I see the only extremists in this thread are you and sf. Stop the hating and the censorship. When folks side with the likes of schumer, Reid, pelosi, gilibrand, we know what they are too bad you don't. Answer: A bunch of demagogues taking advantage of the many with class war politics just for the power and ultimately the expansion of government. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 26, 2014 19:43:13 GMT -5
I get the feeling cellar is one of those dudes with a fully stocked bunker and enough ammo for a small war. Maybe a foil hat or two
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:13:28 GMT -5
Can you give me a link to that play book? I agree with SF that the Tea Party is a disaster (for this country) in the making and voiced that opinion when they first emerged out of the shadows of the Republican Party. I'd like to read the playbook to see if my words have been plagiarized! Most liberals don't like the tea party so I'm not surprised about your position. Can you tell me exactly what you don't like. Smaller responsible government, lower taxes etc. And please spare me the crap about the tea party being radicals and racists. From what I see the only extremists in this thread are you and sf. Stop the hating and the censorship. When folks side with the likes of schumer, Reid, pelosi, gilibrand, we know what they are too bad you don't. Answer: A bunch of demagogues taking advantage of the many with class war politics just for the power and ultimately the expansion of government. Typical response - all I asked for was a link to the playbook and you come back, already in orbit, with venom and questions that you already know the answer to. I've listened to the Tea Party reps and they all speak hollow rhetoric with no specifics. When asked for specifics they respond with questions. They are a shell - like a tea bag after sitting in hot water for too long. They all may sound good to you but can you name one single specific recommendation that they have made let alone implemented. There are NONE! We always hear we should have smaller government but at the same time they don't have the political gravitas to name names and identify the actual cuts they would make. It's easier for them to hide behind the "Just cut, don't spend" crap. They want to move the burden to the states - what burden specifically is more efficient when run individually by 50 different states - if you can name one you should go into politics and get out of business. |
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Post by indian82 on Jan 26, 2014 20:20:52 GMT -5
Seriously, this discussion has potential and could be enlightening if both sides can present their case and ask questions without the hostility. I will refrain myself and ask Cellar Rat to detail what he thinks the Tea party stands for. If you can bullet it, that would be best. Then after that maybe SF & MP can comment on those points. I am sure we will get to a point where somebody says the other side omitted or mis-represented something, but can we start here? Seems like the best place to go on a message board. I'm not claiming to advocate everything they stand for (in fact, I admit I don't know everything they do stand for.) I will say I do think we need a smaller govt, reduce the debt/deficit and empower citizens all over the country. I just this piece on 60 Minutes where major companies are providing opportunities for underprivileged youth. To me, this type of 'aid' is much better than handing out other more tangible benefits. The private sector can do this more effectively than the public, but I would like to see the govt do what they can to encourage more private sector efforts like this. www.cbsnews.com/news/jobs-program-aids-fortune-500-underprivileged-youth/Here goes... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:30:01 GMT -5
The Tea Party took great pride in the recent Government shutdown yet they, talking out of the other side of their mouths, say they want to reduce government, cut spending, reduce the debt, yadda yadda yadda. Well the reality is the shutdown cost us billions - workers got paid for NOT WORKING, private businesses got hammered (yet the TP supposedly champions small business!), debt servicing cost more and the work that got DELAYED got done later and, in many cases, using overtime at an even higher cost. Insanity 101.
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Post by indian82 on Jan 26, 2014 20:37:07 GMT -5
The Tea Party took great pride in the recent Government shutdown yet they, talking out of the other side of their mouths, say they want to reduce government, cut spending, reduce the debt, yadda yadda yadda. Well the reality is the shutdown cost us billions - workers got paid for NOT WORKING, private businesses got hammered (yet the TP supposedly champions small business!), debt servicing cost more and the work that got DELAYED got done later and, in many cases, using overtime at an even higher cost. Insanity 101. Ok - You don't like some of the methods (I (and many mainstream republicans)agree, that was questionable, at best). But what about the policies? Let's see if Cellar Rat starts this. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 26, 2014 20:45:42 GMT -5
Seriously, this discussion has potential and could be enlightening if both sides can present their case and ask questions without the hostility. I will refrain myself and ask Cellar Rat to detail what he thinks the Tea party stands for. If you can bullet it, that would be best. Then after that maybe SF & MP can comment on those points. I am sure we will get to a point where somebody says the other side omitted or mis-represented something, but can we start here? Seems like the best place to go on a message board. I'm not claiming to advocate everything they stand for (in fact, I admit I don't know everything they do stand for.) I will say I do think we need a smaller govt, reduce the debt/deficit and empower citizens all over the country. I just this piece on 60 Minutes where major companies are providing opportunities for underprivileged youth. To me, this type of 'aid' is much better than handing out other more tangible benefits. The private sector can do this more effectively than the public, but I would like to see the govt do what they can to encourage more private sector efforts like this. www.cbsnews.com/news/jobs-program-aids-fortune-500-underprivileged-youth/Here goes... This was where I thought a positive direction for this thread might be but it rapidly turned into the usual attacks of being too liberal etc. |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 26, 2014 21:16:32 GMT -5
The Tea Party took great pride in the recent Government shutdown yet they, talking out of the other side of their mouths, say they want to reduce government, cut spending, reduce the debt, yadda yadda yadda. Well the reality is the shutdown cost us billions - workers got paid for NOT WORKING, private businesses got hammered (yet the TP supposedly champions small business!), debt servicing cost more and the work that got DELAYED got done later and, in many cases, using overtime at an even higher cost. Insanity 101. Does our president, the most divisive to date, share in the blame? You are just another homer fighting for your team. I am sure not many republicans supported nixon is his use of the irs against his enemies. Do you support this president. Let's be honest the media for the most part favors the dems, except fox and some talk radio. So basically 90 percent of the media supports the dems. If this Irs scandal happened under bush he would be done! Same with Benghazi. What about Obama constantly bad mouthing Fox News and essentially trying to censor it. This is antiamerican to say the least. No point in debating with homers, they are not free thinkers they are just interested in supporting the team. You guys don't have an objective bone in your body. I'm not a "team" guy, I'm a country guy. You guys should be proud if the tea party and it's dissent. Oh I forgot, dissent is only good or tolerable when the republicans are in office. Fools. Wake up. |
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Post by indian82 on Jan 26, 2014 21:23:07 GMT -5
The Tea Party took great pride in the recent Government shutdown yet they, talking out of the other side of their mouths, say they want to reduce government, cut spending, reduce the debt, yadda yadda yadda. Well the reality is the shutdown cost us billions - workers got paid for NOT WORKING, private businesses got hammered (yet the TP supposedly champions small business!), debt servicing cost more and the work that got DELAYED got done later and, in many cases, using overtime at an even higher cost. Insanity 101. Does our president, the most divisive to date, share in the blame? You are just another homer fighting for your team. I am sure not many republicans supported nixon is his use of the irs against his enemies. Do you support this president. Let's be honest the media for the most part favors the dems, except fox and some talk radio. So basically 90 percent of the media supports the dems. If this Irs scandal happened under bush he would be done! Same with Benghazi. What about Obama constantly bad mouthing Fox News and essentially trying to censor it. This is antiamerican to say the least. No point in debating with homers, they are not free thinkers they are just interested in supporting the team. And you're just throwing out rhetoric and supporting your home team. Do you want to discuss policies? If so, just list what you think are the main tenets of the Tea Party. |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 26, 2014 21:40:19 GMT -5
Does our president, the most divisive to date, share in the blame? You are just another homer fighting for your team. I am sure not many republicans supported nixon is his use of the irs against his enemies. Do you support this president. Let's be honest the media for the most part favors the dems, except fox and some talk radio. So basically 90 percent of the media supports the dems. If this Irs scandal happened under bush he would be done! Same with Benghazi. What about Obama constantly bad mouthing Fox News and essentially trying to censor it. This is antiamerican to say the least. No point in debating with homers, they are not free thinkers they are just interested in supporting the team. And you're just throwing out rhetoric and supporting your home team. Do you want to discuss policies? If so, just list what you think are the main tenets of the Tea Party. I don't belong to the tea party or the Republican Party. The platform for the tea party is on their site. And what I said isn't rhetoric to anyone but liberals. www.teaparty-platform.com/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 4:48:07 GMT -5
www.teaparty-platform.com/Yes this is pure insanity. What would anyone not agree with? I guess I should be considered a #hater because I don't agree with MP or SF on politics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 6:06:41 GMT -5
And you're just throwing out rhetoric and supporting your home team. Do you want to discuss policies? If so, just list what you think are the main tenets of the Tea Party. I don't belong to the tea party or the Republican Party. The platform for the tea party is on their site. And what I said isn't rhetoric to anyone but liberals. www.teaparty-platform.com/Thanks for the link Rat. Interesting! I would agree you can't argue with the apple pie and ice cream principles that they say they adhere to. Only Rand Paul is identified - strange given the others that have taken the national stage - I recall Michelle Bachmann's efforts to win various primaries, especially the nationally televised debates. I would suggest you go back and quickly navigate the site before you react to the following. Since I have repeatedly requested specifics and repeatedly received only nasty rhetoric, I was interested in the "Tea Party Ideas" page on the linked site. What I found says it all - "TeaParty.ideas.com 'My site is launching soon'" The movement was formed out of various protests in 2009 - we are now in 2014 and, like I stated earlier, there are no ideas or specifics just protests and actions to block any and all things this administration tries to do, even that stuff with some bipartisan support. Having Obama fail is the true goal, the people (despite the glowing red white and blue rhetoric of the "TeaParty Platform") be damned. |
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