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Post by $cott on Nov 13, 2013 16:10:34 GMT -5
I was at the game and it was not doubt one of the worst ever, obviously. UVM was without some top players as you know and they still made us look awful. If I was a UVM fan I would not have been happy with Siena for several reasons 1. Silas gets tied up and slams his defender to the floor early in the game 2. On the sideline across from the Siena bench a UVM player goes up to try to save the ball from going out of bounds and White undercuts him spinning him about 240 degrees 3. Bisping flagrant foul, no brainer, at that point Siena was still in the game after that it was over 4. In a scrum White grabs UVM player and slame him down. result, a near brawl 2 tech on players, 2 techs on coaches, about a 10 minute delay. These refs did let the game get away and perhaps that is the reason for Sienas over the top physical crap. Don't tell me Siena played tough, they played dumb phsyically, poorly defensively continually blocking and reaching in when it was apparent how the game was being called, and poor offensively passing and running around in an example of futility. Very disappointing. I have not seen any interviews with Jimmy about any of this, are there any? Also in the handshake line after the game Jimmy spent about 1 minute talking to #1 on uvm, his name escapes me, I would love to know what Jimmy said. I kept waiting for #1 to throw a punch in the second half. Yes it is early, yes we started 4 freshman, but this was a DEBACLE. Watching on the computer neither #1 nor #2 looked like anything out of the norm for a college basketball game. Silas was fighting for the ball and the ref didn't call for a jump ball quick enough (a mistake they made several times during the game). The White play was a total overreaction by UVM fans, I would love to see a replay of that one, sure looked like the UVM player was out of control leading to the contact that sent him spinning. I definitely agree that the Bisping foul was dumb and uncalled for. The scrum it was too hard to tell what exactly happened but was another case where the whistle wasn't blown for the jump ball quick enough.
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Post by a66 on Nov 13, 2013 16:21:08 GMT -5
Hey Scott$ good reply, you may be right, I was just really frustrated watching this. I do know for sure that our guys played hard and that is what makes it all the worse to take. But better days are ahead
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Post by hankla on Nov 13, 2013 16:49:23 GMT -5
I was at the game, Scott was correct in his assessment. The way I look at it many years ago basketball was a finesse game , big men were long and lanky with some exceptions (e. g. Wilt ). For the last however many years the sport has become more and more a contact and power one with weight training becoming more important than the original fundamentals. To take away murder in the post they came up with three point shot. Yet with the three point shot and the shot clock after twenty years because of physical defense scores on many occasions got ridiculously low. I don't understand refs who react to a" touch" hand check by a defender but allow the dribbler to clear out with his forearm. Maybe like in the NFL they want to favor the offense by hamstring the defense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 17:00:55 GMT -5
I agree with Scott$ - classic case of different people "seeing" the same thing differently and then combining like elements into opposing conclusions. Refs at UVM took much longer to call a jump ball than they (and two were the same refs) did in the UA game, as I recall it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 17:01:21 GMT -5
I still can't decide if the constant substitutions are part of a game plan or a symptom of JP's ADD. We need to settle down at the 2 so there can be a flow at some point in a game.
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Post by bagger on Nov 13, 2013 17:56:37 GMT -5
RPI
314
Siena (0-2)
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270 start
314....... 0-2
304...... 0-1
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Post by greenblood on Nov 13, 2013 19:41:31 GMT -5
I still can't decide if the constant substitutions are part of a game plan or a symptom of JP's ADD. We need to settle down at the 2 so there can be a flow at some point in a game. I could be way off base here, but I think it's a juggling act to see who is going to step up in what position. We have all seen (much to some posters disagreement) that Rob is definitely taking the team on his back...problem is, he's only one guy and as I have said previously, this is a team sport.
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Post by greenblood on Nov 13, 2013 20:13:06 GMT -5
from TU blog
“So what? I’ve got to try and win the game,” Patsos said. “I am trying to stay in games right now. This isn’t Boston Celtics vs. Lakers. I’m not trying to manage minutes right now. I’m trying to get guys to compete and play. Two fouls, four fouls, who cares? We have to put the guys out there who have a chance to win.”
and that explains the constant subs...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 21:19:58 GMT -5
Gotcha
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 13, 2013 21:46:44 GMT -5
I still can't decide if the constant substitutions are part of a game plan or a symptom of JP's ADD. We need to settle down at the 2 so there can be a flow at some point in a game. Jimmy subs a player out when that player make a dumb mistake, isn't hustling/playing as hard as Jimmy knows they're capable of, when the player misses an assignment/part of a designed play, etc.. Since I sit across from the teams at the TUC I can't hear him in TOs or when the subbed players come to the bench. At UVM you could hear some and see most. He was coaching, helping them develop, pointing out their mistake and puts them back in (however not right away depending on the reason for the yank). With Wolfe, it was numerous reasons (from not hustling, not knowing what to do, etc). After one TO the teams lined up for free throws. Before the first FT attempt Wolfe turns to the bench to ask a question or confirm the play. Jimmy just discussed the play in the TO. You guessed it, Wolfe taken out shortly after during a dead ball. Jimmy is trying to get Wolfe to focus and play hard. Jimmy knows Wolfe's capable of so much more and this is his technique (whether we agree with it or not). Same thing with Bisping. He sat him on the bench and talked with him numerous times for 5 game mins or so about not playing hard (or something like that). When Bisping went back in he played possessed and hard. It works, at least for Bisping this time. Watched him do this with Evan, Ryan, White, even Long. However, in Long's case Jimmy knows he plays hard and smart most of the time (that's why, IMO, he allows Long more latitude). Long & Poole don't appear to not get yanked as quick others. Yes, it may disrupt the flow, but if you wait to yank and instruct, it may not have the same effect as it's intended to have. Players get the message quicker.
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Post by gorvy on Nov 13, 2013 22:29:14 GMT -5
I noticed what IndianSaint posted at the TUC as well. There is a ton more instruction going on this year than last three. I still think the team will hold their own during Maac play. He is going to have to do something about the fouling though despite what he said in the paper. I don't think it is going to "ease up" for conference play, as some coaches have already asked that the calls be consistent for the entire year.
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