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Post by siena95 on Nov 13, 2013 9:16:16 GMT -5
Amazing stat of the night: Siena's 2 centers both fouled out in a total combined 20 minutes. Wow. And Rob Poole shot 5-16, had 0 assists and 3 turn-overs, he didn't havbe the great game some of you think you saw. I was just going to quote those stats.... in one half of game time, both centers fouled out. Better learn quick or Hopper may be forced into game action! I guess the A10 talk can go to bed for a few years now. We have a team/program that can't beat AE teams consistently(or at all), so maybe we should consider moving down??? ok, that was tongue-in-cheek, but the reality is, we aren't very good and haven't been for a long time. This will be a long season, but with the caveat that the freshman are going to play a lot and ideally learn even more the next 4+ months and create hope for 14-15 and beyond. No idea what to expect the next few years and sadly I have next to no confidence in the athletic department to make correct calls..... so all i can do is sit back and hope these talented freshman can get this program back on the winning track....... or the AE may send us an invite!
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Post by clickclack on Nov 13, 2013 11:56:20 GMT -5
Amazing stat of the night: Siena's 2 centers both fouled out in a total combined 20 minutes. Wow. And Rob Poole shot 5-16, had 0 assists and 3 turn-overs, he didn't havbe the great game some of you think you saw. I was just going to quote those stats.... in one half of game time, both centers fouled out. Better learn quick or Hopper may be forced into game action! I guess the A10 talk can go to bed for a few years now. We have a team/program that can't beat AE teams consistently(or at all), so maybe we should consider moving down??? ok, that was tongue-in-cheek, but the reality is, we aren't very good and haven't been for a long time. This will be a long season, but with the caveat that the freshman are going to play a lot and ideally learn even more the next 4+ months and create hope for 14-15 and beyond. No idea what to expect the next few years and sadly I have next to no confidence in the athletic department to make correct calls..... so all i can do is sit back and hope these talented freshman can get this program back on the winning track....... or the AE may send us an invite! We don't take garbage athletic programs...you'd be dead last overall every year.
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Post by bigdog76 on Nov 13, 2013 14:21:13 GMT -5
Keeping things in perspective, the freshman are just out of high school up against juniors and seniors...patience people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:37:32 GMT -5
Keeping things in perspective, the freshman are just out of high school up against juniors and seniors...patience people. Other teams don't have freshmen or soph's? Siena is only playing against Jrs and Srs? Not entirely sure, but on quick glance, Vermont got 29 minutes from Freshmen. Didn't really break down Sophs or the Albany game yet.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 13, 2013 14:49:38 GMT -5
Keeping things in perspective, the freshman are just out of high school up against juniors and seniors...patience people. Other teams don't have freshmen or soph's? Siena is only playing against Jrs and Srs? Not entirely sure, but on quick glance, Vermont got 29 minutes from Freshmen. Didn't really break down Sophs or the Albany game yet. pretty sure UVM starts 4 seniors.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:52:12 GMT -5
Amazing stat of the night: Siena's 2 centers both fouled out in a total combined 20 minutes. Wow. And Rob Poole shot 5-16, had 0 assists and 3 turn-overs, he didn't havbe the great game some of you think you saw. That's 40% shooting and he was the focal point. I take that all year. Right now, I'd rather Poole take the shot than pass it to anyone else. His 1-6 assist ratio is a direct result of that. The team is running plays to get HIM open. As the offense settles down, he'll start getting more assists. Right now, his driving pump fakes and pivots are our best offense. When you get on Poole think about the fact that everyone knows now he's the guy we're trying to go to, like they did with OD. He's shooting only 25% from three so far AND he STILL has a FG% of over 41%. On top of that he's averaging 5.5 boards and 1.5 steals thru 2 games. He's playing very well. When the threes start falling, people will be talking 2nd team.
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Post by Quackman on Nov 13, 2013 14:55:55 GMT -5
Keeping things in perspective, the freshman are just out of high school up against juniors and seniors...patience people. Other teams don't have freshmen or soph's? Siena is only playing against Jrs and Srs? Not entirely sure, but on quick glance, Vermont got 29 minutes from Freshmen. Didn't really break down Sophs or the Albany game yet. UVM is led by Voekel, Carlemisimo and Apfelt (my spelling on all 3 is atrocious sorry), all 3 are seniors that have played major minutes since they were freshman. Siena started 4 freshman, played a 5th and then had 3 sophs in the playing mix. They played 2 guys with more than 1 year of D1 experience. Yes, most every team gets minutes from their underclassman but few teams count so heavily on their underclassman. This is why Siena is expected to take their lumps this year. I would argue that it is not a talent deficit that is going to lead to the Saint's struggles this year, it's a lack of experience and physical size/strength. As physically gifted as JO, Wolfe and Long are this year, they will be even more so as Jr's and Sr's after 2 years in the program and working with the strength and conditioning coach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:57:08 GMT -5
Other teams don't have freshmen or soph's? Siena is only playing against Jrs and Srs? Not entirely sure, but on quick glance, Vermont got 29 minutes from Freshmen. Didn't really break down Sophs or the Albany game yet. pretty sure UVM starts 4 seniors..... Actually, 5. But that's not all they played. Some of these guys act like only Siena has freshmen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:59:56 GMT -5
Other teams don't have freshmen or soph's? Siena is only playing against Jrs and Srs? Not entirely sure, but on quick glance, Vermont got 29 minutes from Freshmen. Didn't really break down Sophs or the Albany game yet. UVM is led by Voekel, Carlemisimo and Apfelt (my spelling on all 3 is atrocious sorry), all 3 are seniors that have played major minutes since they were freshman. Siena started 4 freshman, played a 5th and then had 3 sophs in the playing mix. They played 2 guys with more than 1 year of D1 experience. Yes, most every team gets minutes from their underclassman but few teams count so heavily on their underclassman. This is why Siena is expected to take their lumps this year. I would argue that it is not a talent deficit that is going to lead to the Saint's struggles this year, it's a lack of experience and physical size/strength. As physically gifted as JO, Wolfe and Long are this year, they will be even more so as Jr's and Sr's after 2 years in the program and working with the strength and conditioning coach. I understand that and agree. But the post made it sound like Siena only has freshmen and everyone else only has Juniors and Seniors. I guess I just try to bring people back to reality a little. Albany got 56 minutes from freshmen and sophs, Vermont got 29. Not a ton, but not non-existant either.
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Post by Quackman on Nov 13, 2013 15:09:46 GMT -5
UVM is led by Voekel, Carlemisimo and Apfelt (my spelling on all 3 is atrocious sorry), all 3 are seniors that have played major minutes since they were freshman. Siena started 4 freshman, played a 5th and then had 3 sophs in the playing mix. They played 2 guys with more than 1 year of D1 experience. Yes, most every team gets minutes from their underclassman but few teams count so heavily on their underclassman. This is why Siena is expected to take their lumps this year. I would argue that it is not a talent deficit that is going to lead to the Saint's struggles this year, it's a lack of experience and physical size/strength. As physically gifted as JO, Wolfe and Long are this year, they will be even more so as Jr's and Sr's after 2 years in the program and working with the strength and conditioning coach. I understand that and agree. But the post made it sound like Siena only has freshmen and everyone else only has Juniors and Seniors. I guess I just try to bring people back to reality a little. Albany got 56 minutes from freshmen and sophs, Vermont got 29. Not a ton, but not non-existant either. Okay, I get it. Without looking, my guess is that Siena got at least 130 minutes (probably more in game 1) from freshman and sophs which is 2 1/2 times more than Albany and 4 times more than UVM. It may not be the only factor that affected the outcome but it is certainly a major piece of the puzzle.
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Post by knicksaint on Nov 13, 2013 15:23:47 GMT -5
Vermont's six seniors played 156 out of a possible 200 minutes last night (78%).
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 13, 2013 15:30:58 GMT -5
taking a page from KK
51% of the minutes are coming from Freshman.
64% if you include freshman and sophomores.
Maurice White and Lavon Long combined have scored as many points as Rob Poole and Evan Hymes combined.
our assists leader is a freshman our rebounding leader is our sixth man our steals leader is a freshman our blocks leader is a sophomore our fg% leader is a freshman our ft% leader is a freshman our second third and fourth leading scorers are freshman our second leading rebounder is a sophomore our first second and third leading assist leaders are freshman
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 15:34:48 GMT -5
Amazing stat of the night: Siena's 2 centers both fouled out in a total combined 20 minutes. Wow. And Rob Poole shot 5-16, had 0 assists and 3 turn-overs, he didn't havbe the great game some of you think you saw. That's 40% shooting and he was the focal point. I take that all year. Right now, I'd rather Poole take the shot than pass it to anyone else. His 1-6 assist ratio is a direct result of that. The team is running plays to get HIM open. As the offense settles down, he'll start getting more assists. Right now, his driving pump fakes and pivots are our best offense. When you get on Poole think about the fact that everyone knows now he's the guy we're trying to go to, like they did with OD. He's shooting only 25% from three so far AND he STILL has a FG% of over 41%. On top of that he's averaging 5.5 boards and 1.5 steals thru 2 games. He's playing very well. When the threes start falling, people will be talking 2nd team. UVM did their homework beyond worrying about Robbie and also elected to keep life difficult for Lavon down low. He was doubled very effectively and shut out of the scoring until very late game. Evan is also a known quantity now - even more so when not at the point. UVM is anything but a flashy team but they played hard and did their job.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 15:41:07 GMT -5
I understand that and agree. But the post made it sound like Siena only has freshmen and everyone else only has Juniors and Seniors. I guess I just try to bring people back to reality a little. Albany got 56 minutes from freshmen and sophs, Vermont got 29. Not a ton, but not non-existant either. Okay, I get it. Without looking, my guess is that Siena got at least 130 minutes (probably more in game 1) from freshman and sophs which is 2 1/2 times more than Albany and 4 times more than UVM. It may not be the only factor that affected the outcome but it is certainly a major piece of the puzzle. Wow, very close, nice! But actually 3 more against Vemont(126 vs Albany , 129 vs Vermont). Like I said, I agree. The post I disagreed with said Siena's freshmen are playing against juniors and seniors. It was a little misleading is all.
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Post by a66 on Nov 13, 2013 15:56:35 GMT -5
I was at the game and it was not doubt one of the worst ever, obviously. UVM was without some top players as you know and they still made us look awful. If I was a UVM fan I would not have been happy with Siena for several reasons 1. Silas gets tied up and slams his defender to the floor early in the game 2. On the sideline across from the Siena bench a UVM player goes up to try to save the ball from going out of bounds and White undercuts him spinning him about 240 degrees 3. Bisping flagrant foul, no brainer, at that point Siena was still in the game after that it was over 4. In a scrum White grabs UVM player and slame him down. result, a near brawl 2 tech on players, 2 techs on coaches, about a 10 minute delay.
These refs did let the game get away and perhaps that is the reason for Sienas over the top physical crap.
Don't tell me Siena played tough, they played dumb phsyically, poorly defensively continually blocking and reaching in when it was apparent how the game was being called, and poor offensively passing and running around in an example of futility.
Very disappointing.
I have not seen any interviews with Jimmy about any of this, are there any?
Also in the handshake line after the game Jimmy spent about 1 minute talking to #1 on uvm, his name escapes me, I would love to know what Jimmy said. I kept waiting for #1 to throw a punch in the second half.
Yes it is early, yes we started 4 freshman, but this was a DEBACLE.
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