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Post by OneIndian on Nov 11, 2013 20:52:43 GMT -5
Lavon is an absolute combination of Haddix and Franklin......it's scary actually! lol Agree! I agree as well. That's very good for us ... Long will have a nice run at Siena.
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Post by Quackman on Nov 12, 2013 9:22:32 GMT -5
I actually think Voekel (sp?) from UVM is a better comparison based on what I see. Great floor vision, can do everything well and doesnt have to score to be effective. He is one of my favorite mid major players out there.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 14, 2013 22:07:48 GMT -5
I agree as well. That's very good for us ... Long will have a nice run at Siena. I hate to be the one who disagrees, but find it hard to compare Lavon to Haddix. I view it almost as a slight insult to Lavon. Other than physical size they really have nothing in common. Haddix found it difficult to score on simple put backs. He'd miss his own shot one or two times (padding his total rebound #'s, he couldn't dunk (except the one time on Sr night), his ball handling skills are no where near Lavon's, couldn't hit a 3pt shot, etc.). Lavon is closer to Alex's skill set IMO. Haddix was a very good player but could have been great if he applied himself more. Haddix was more like an undersized C/PF and Alex & Lavon have more guard like skills. I'm hoping Lavon finishes his career more like Alex did.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 14, 2013 22:18:05 GMT -5
I agree as well. That's very good for us ... Long will have a nice run at Siena. I hate to be the one who disagrees, but find it hard to compare Lavon to Haddix. I view it almost as a slight insult to Lavon. Other than physical size they really have nothing in common. Haddix found it difficult to score on simple put backs. He'd miss his own shot one or two times (padding his total rebound #'s, he couldn't dunk (except the one time on Sr night), his ball handling skills are no where near Lavon's, couldn't hit a 3pt shot, etc.). Lavon is closer to Alex's skill set IMO. Haddix was a very good player but could have been great if he applied himself more. Haddix was more like an undersized C/PF and Alex & Lavon have more guard like skills. I'm hoping Lavon finishes his career more like Alex did. No one wants to believe a 6'6 234lb guy can handle the ball as well as Lavon can. He will show and folks will have to admit it..story of his life. Its usually one or the other physical inside force or ballhandler...to have both is rare esp in the MAAC.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 14, 2013 23:59:42 GMT -5
I agree as well. That's very good for us ... Long will have a nice run at Siena. I hate to be the one who disagrees, but find it hard to compare Lavon to Haddix. I view it almost as a slight insult to Lavon. Other than physical size they really have nothing in common. Haddix found it difficult to score on simple put backs. He'd miss his own shot one or two times (padding his total rebound #'s, he couldn't dunk (except the one time on Sr night), his ball handling skills are no where near Lavon's, couldn't hit a 3pt shot, etc.). Lavon is closer to Alex's skill set IMO. Haddix was a very good player but could have been great if he applied himself more. Haddix was more like an undersized C/PF and Alex & Lavon have more guard like skills. I'm hoping Lavon finishes his career more like Alex did. Did you ever stop to think that maybe their actual physiques, and the fact that they're both left-handed, contributed to the," he's like a COMBINATION of Alex and Haddix" observation?
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Post by Tony on Nov 15, 2013 5:28:18 GMT -5
Not only were they built alike--- and left handed. lets hope Lavon can score and rebound like Haddix, for a guy who ( supposedly) struggled to score on simple put backs ( Haddix is 9th on all time scoring list with 1594 points) and he must have really padded his rebound stats with those 800 plus rebounds ( 6th all time at Siena) and considering he shot close to 50% from the floor-- thats a pretty darn good career for a guy who couldn't dunk. Damn some of you guys just cant help yourself
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 6:00:40 GMT -5
Right on !
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Post by bagger on Nov 15, 2013 6:15:38 GMT -5
all i know is if Saintly Saint didn't wash his Dad's car, Siena probably wouldn't have got Haddix, a favorite Saint to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 6:17:49 GMT -5
Not only were they built alike--- and left handed. lets hope Lavon can score and rebound like Haddix, for a guy who ( supposedly) struggled to score on simple put backs ( Haddix is 9th on all time scoring list with 1594 points) and he must have really padded his rebound stats with those 800 plus rebounds ( 6th all time at Siena) and considering he shot close to 50% from the floor-- thats a pretty darn good career for a guy who couldn't dunk. Damn some of you guys just cant help yourself Some of these guys have selective memory or in this case, it sounds like he had a problem with Haddix. Right after he says Haddix couldn't hit a 3, he says Lavon's skill set is more like Alex. Guess what, IndianSaint? Alex didn't hit a 3 in his career. If anything, Alex's career looks similar to Haddix and Lavon looks much more versatile than either. He may or may not reach their rebounding totals, but he will at least get close, he will most likely have many more assists, and already has more 3's.
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Post by greengold4ever on Nov 15, 2013 9:15:25 GMT -5
Not only were they built alike--- and left handed. lets hope Lavon can score and rebound like Haddix, for a guy who ( supposedly) struggled to score on simple put backs ( Haddix is 9th on all time scoring list with 1594 points) and he must have really padded his rebound stats with those 800 plus rebounds ( 6th all time at Siena) and considering he shot close to 50% from the floor-- thats a pretty darn good career for a guy who couldn't dunk. Damn some of you guys just cant help yourself how true, AND if Haddix did not miss a bunch of games due to injuries.................he had a real chance of finishing at # 3 on the all-time scoring list, and close to 1,000 rebounds!!!!!!! side note.................Alex is simply more explosive than Lavon, he was a power play in every sense of the word, hid dunks were thunderous..............but Lavon has ability to knock down jumpers which we never really saw Franklin do that much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 11:58:49 GMT -5
Not only were they built alike--- and left handed. lets hope Lavon can score and rebound like Haddix, for a guy who ( supposedly) struggled to score on simple put backs ( Haddix is 9th on all time scoring list with 1594 points) and he must have really padded his rebound stats with those 800 plus rebounds ( 6th all time at Siena) and considering he shot close to 50% from the floor-- thats a pretty darn good career for a guy who couldn't dunk. Damn some of you guys just cant help yourself how true, AND if Haddix did not miss a bunch of games due to injuries.................he had a real chance of finishing at # 3 on the all-time scoring list, and close to 1,000 rebounds!!!!!!! side note.................Alex is simply more explosive than Lavon, he was a power play in every sense of the word, hid dunks were thunderous..............but Lavon has ability to knock down jumpers which we never really saw Franklin do that much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lavon is young and just started working with a D1 coaching and training staff. His explosiveness can catch up.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Nov 15, 2013 12:21:20 GMT -5
A little Flashback Friday video. Pretty sure this has been posted before, but I never get tired of seeing Alex at work. I only wish the short video had evidence of one of the many times he abused other players off the dribble in his senior year.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 15, 2013 12:24:52 GMT -5
I hate to be the one who disagrees, but find it hard to compare Lavon to Haddix. I view it almost as a slight insult to Lavon. Other than physical size they really have nothing in common. Haddix found it difficult to score on simple put backs. He'd miss his own shot one or two times (padding his total rebound #'s, he couldn't dunk (except the one time on Sr night), his ball handling skills are no where near Lavon's, couldn't hit a 3pt shot, etc.). Lavon is closer to Alex's skill set IMO. Haddix was a very good player but could have been great if he applied himself more. Haddix was more like an undersized C/PF and Alex & Lavon have more guard like skills. I'm hoping Lavon finishes his career more like Alex did. Did you ever stop to think that maybe their actual physiques, and the fact that they're both left-handed, contributed to the," he's like a COMBINATION of Alex and Haddix" observation? No I didn't think that was the only reason for the comparison (similar size & left handed ). If that's what the posters intended, then that sounds right to me. Of course one could have simply compared Lavon to a left handed version of Alex then. That would have made more sense to me at least. Any other skill comparison between Lavon & Haddix, I just don't see. Can't tell from my post , but I too liked Haddix but I simply don't see the comparison except size & left handed.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 15, 2013 12:38:17 GMT -5
Not only were they built alike--- and left handed. lets hope Lavon can score and rebound like Haddix, for a guy who ( supposedly) struggled to score on simple put backs ( Haddix is 9th on all time scoring list with 1594 points) and he must have really padded his rebound stats with those 800 plus rebounds ( 6th all time at Siena) and considering he shot close to 50% from the floor-- thats a pretty darn good career for a guy who couldn't dunk. Damn some of you guys just cant help yourself Tony, I never mentioned Haddix or Alex's career points/rebounds in my post. I agree if Lavon could have similar numbers as Haddix , I'd be thrilled. That wasn't my point. I don't see any comparison between Haddix & Lovon's skill set. As I said , IMO Lavon's skills are more comparable to Alex's (ball handling, defense, steals, position played, etc.). I'll say it again, I liked Haddix & thought he was a very good player. However, I consider Alex a great player (& more complete player). Haddix IMP was mor of a one dimensional type player. Yes, maybe my comment about missing put backs wasn't the most appropriate statement, but it had a little bit of truth, no one can deny. I would bet that at least 100 or more of Haddix's 800 rebounds were a direct result of his missed lay-up/put back shot attempts. I know we would have beaten Niagara in the MAAC tournament if Haddix didn't miss all those put backs that night. Alex only scored 20 that night. & he was a freshman.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 15, 2013 12:48:06 GMT -5
Not only were they built alike--- and left handed. lets hope Lavon can score and rebound like Haddix, for a guy who ( supposedly) struggled to score on simple put backs ( Haddix is 9th on all time scoring list with 1594 points) and he must have really padded his rebound stats with those 800 plus rebounds ( 6th all time at Siena) and considering he shot close to 50% from the floor-- thats a pretty darn good career for a guy who couldn't dunk. Damn some of you guys just cant help yourself Some of these guys have selective memory or in this case, it sounds like he had a problem with Haddix. Right after he says Haddix couldn't hit a 3, he says Lavon's skill set is more like Alex. Guess what, IndianSaint? Alex didn't hit a 3 in his career. If anything, Alex's career looks similar to Haddix and Lavon looks much more versatile than either. He may or may not reach their rebounding totals, but he will at least get close, he will most likely have many more assists, and already has more 3's. Dude. Do you even read what people post, or do you purposefully take one part of a sentence completely out of context? I was trying to show Lavon's skills and how they didn't compare to Haddix. I never said that Alex could shoot the 3, only said Lavon could & Haddix couldn't . I then said Lavon's skills were "closer" to Alex's. I didn't say they were exact matches. I get it, you think I hate Haddix but I don't. I simply don't see the comparison between Lavon & Haddix other than being similar size & left handed. I do see a skill comparison and size comparison between Lavon & Alex.
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