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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 21:40:16 GMT -5
Coach was on Roger Wyland radio show today and said Poole was the MVP of the Montreal games. He also said when he took the job, he thought this year would be a rebuilding year. After Montreal, it’s not a rebuilding year. He believes they can compete in the MAAC this year. He also said he may red shirt someone this year. Boy this guy can speak. Before the Albany game, he may be on Rogers show with Brown. They said there should be 12,000 at that game.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 12, 2013 7:42:51 GMT -5
Glad to hear some optimism.
I think Wolfe should, and will, redshirt for a number of reasons. The benefit of having a 5th year, mature Wolfe on your roster (and at this time, he would be the lone senior in that 5th year) outweighs the benefits of the limited game minutes he may see this year. He is young for his class, it gives him a year to mature, strengthen, and he can hit the ground running having already learned the system. Lastly, it would at least minimally help balance out the classes.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 12, 2013 8:42:15 GMT -5
Redshirting Wolfe leaves us only 3 guys over 6'6" on the roster (sorry, but Hopper can never be included when it comes to possible playing time), so IF Wolfe is the guy he's considering RS'ing, Long will definitely be seeing a lot of his minutes at the 4 spot.
....or, he could be sending a subtle message to certain players that they won't ever play here and may want to consider transferring so I'll keep your remaining eligibility intact if you want to look elsewhere at the Christmas break.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 8:43:25 GMT -5
I'm a little afraid of redshirting one of our best athletes this year.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 12, 2013 9:24:04 GMT -5
If Wolfe DIDN'T redshirt, what's his Wins Over Replacement value? If he doesn't redshirt and plays 5 MPG, is that significantly beneficial to this year's team OR to Wolfe himself? That equates to 160 minutes of on-court time, or about the amount of playing time of the first five games of Evan Hymes' career.
To want him to play right away to provide minimal front-court assistance this year is shortsighted. It looks like he has significant upside and could be a fine player for the Green & Gold. An even better one in four years than this year.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 12, 2013 9:38:59 GMT -5
It's almost certainly Wolfe is who Patsos is referring to redshirting. Both sides of the debate over whether he should sit out have made very good points. My take is this: what happens if there's a frontcourt injury that's season-ending? Plus factor in that Silas is overally foul prone. Then all of a sudden you have a depth problem. Bisping has had a history of health issues since high school (though he seems fine now), and who knows if JO's surgically repaired ankle holds up? Wolfe provides insurance, and it's not like he's a stiff. The kid can play.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 12, 2013 9:44:36 GMT -5
It's almost certainly Wolfe is who Patsos is referring to redshirting. Both sides of the debate over whether he should sit out have made very good points. My take is this: what happens if there's a frontcourt injury that's season-ending? Plus factor in that Silas is overally foul prone. Then all of a sudden you have a depth problem. Bisping has had a history of health issues since high school (though he seems fine now), and who knows if JO's surgically repaired ankle holds up? Wolfe provides insurance, and it's not like he's a stiff. The kid can play. You don't need to announce Wolfe's redshirt before the season, he is eligible for redshirting so long as he doesn't play; he can dress for games, warm up, he just can't play a second. If injuries occur, they can always at that time decide to play Wolfe and elminate the possibility of a 5th year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 10:58:55 GMT -5
If Wolfe DIDN'T redshirt, what's his Wins Over Replacement value? If he doesn't redshirt and plays 5 MPG, is that significantly beneficial to this year's team OR to Wolfe himself? That equates to 160 minutes of on-court time, or about the amount of playing time of the first five games of Evan Hymes' career. To want him to play right away to provide minimal front-court assistance this year is shortsighted. It looks like he has significant upside and could be a fine player for the Green & Gold. An even better one in four years than this year. If he was going to play 5mpg, I don't think it would even be a question. Rossiter and Anosike both played only 11mpg as freshman, and Rossiter was as young as Wolfe is. Do you think redshirting would have benefited them or Siena? Not really. Besides which, Cole is already out, Hopper won't play, do you really want 10 scholarship players eligible?
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 12, 2013 11:29:03 GMT -5
If Wolfe DIDN'T redshirt, what's his Wins Over Replacement value? If he doesn't redshirt and plays 5 MPG, is that significantly beneficial to this year's team OR to Wolfe himself? That equates to 160 minutes of on-court time, or about the amount of playing time of the first five games of Evan Hymes' career. To want him to play right away to provide minimal front-court assistance this year is shortsighted. It looks like he has significant upside and could be a fine player for the Green & Gold. An even better one in four years than this year. If he was going to play 5mpg, I don't think it would even be a question. Rossiter and Anosike both played only 11mpg as freshman, and Rossiter was as young as Wolfe is. Do you think redshirting would have benefited them or Siena? Not really. Besides which, Cole is already out, Hopper won't play, do you really want 10 scholarship players eligible? Planning on redshirting doesn't render Wolfe ineligible. He is eligible the entire season. Once he steps on the court for a second of action, the Redshirt tag is removed. Applying for a red shirt doesn't occur until the season's conclusion. While Hopper likely won't get any minutes, not counting him as "eligible" is a bit demeaning. If Wolfe is expected by the staff to be an All-MAAC/MAAC POY player like the examples cited, then by all means let him play 11 MPG as a Freshman, the sooner he sees the court the better. I hope he is that good. However I don't expect that he will earn that level of playing time, and therefore think that red shirting for a year of growth would benefit both him and the program.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 11:58:09 GMT -5
If he was going to play 5mpg, I don't think it would even be a question. Rossiter and Anosike both played only 11mpg as freshman, and Rossiter was as young as Wolfe is. Do you think redshirting would have benefited them or Siena? Not really. Besides which, Cole is already out, Hopper won't play, do you really want 10 scholarship players eligible? Planning on redshirting doesn't render Wolfe ineligible. He is eligible the entire season. Once he steps on the court for a second of action, the Redshirt tag is removed. Applying for a red shirt doesn't occur until the season's conclusion. While Hopper likely won't get any minutes, not counting him as "eligible" is a bit demeaning. If Wolfe is expected by the staff to be an All-MAAC/MAAC POY player like the examples cited, then by all means let him play 11 MPG as a Freshman, the sooner he sees the court the better. I hope he is that good. However I don't expect that he will earn that level of playing time, and therefore think that red shirting for a year of growth would benefit both him and the program. If you think he can't earn more than 5mpg in this frontcourt, what makes you think he'll ever get more, with everyone returning next year and the coach still recruiting? I'm pretty sure Patsos didn't recruit him to sit out. And while you are correct on the redshirt rule, how many players legitimately want to sit out 90% of a season, then get called upon due to injury, play a few games , and lose a year of eligibility?
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 12, 2013 12:15:30 GMT -5
Planning on redshirting doesn't render Wolfe ineligible. He is eligible the entire season. Once he steps on the court for a second of action, the Redshirt tag is removed. Applying for a red shirt doesn't occur until the season's conclusion. While Hopper likely won't get any minutes, not counting him as "eligible" is a bit demeaning. If Wolfe is expected by the staff to be an All-MAAC/MAAC POY player like the examples cited, then by all means let him play 11 MPG as a Freshman, the sooner he sees the court the better. I hope he is that good. However I don't expect that he will earn that level of playing time, and therefore think that red shirting for a year of growth would benefit both him and the program. If you think he can't earn more than 5mpg in this frontcourt, what makes you think he'll ever get more, with everyone returning next year and the coach still recruiting? I'm pretty sure Patsos didn't recruit him to sit out. And while you are correct on the redshirt rule, how many players legitimately want to sit out 90% of a season, then get called upon due to injury, play a few games , and lose a year of eligibility? Pretty sure the coaching staff is intelligent enough to not burn the redshirt after this hypothetical injury 90% into the season that you posited. He will earn more time after redshirting because he has had a year to build muscle and mature physically, the only two slights (pun!) I have heard against him thus far. And, he would then only be competing with Silas for front court minutes for one season, not half of his college career. I trust that Patsos will make the correct decision, and I feel that I know what that decision will be.
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Post by MTS on Sept 12, 2013 12:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 13:51:12 GMT -5
I think a lot of the fans on the board have lost sight at what this season is supposed to be about. Too many concerns over if Siena finishes 4th or 8th. This is the rebuilding year, so play the freshman. Is the frontcourt that good that a player with Wolfe's athletic and shooting ability can't play 10-12 minutes a game? I don't believe you get better sitting out. You get better by playing in real games especially against the tough OOC schedule this year.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 12, 2013 15:31:39 GMT -5
If MW is the guy JP is talking about i agree 100% w/ a redshirt. I think MW is young and another year gives him a chance to mature physically and mentally. I'd like to have a full 4 yrs w/ this kid getting max pt, I think he could blow up into something special!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 15:35:32 GMT -5
I think a lot of the fans on the board have lost sight at what this season is supposed to be about. Too many concerns over if Siena finishes 4th or 8th. This is the rebuilding year, so play the freshman. Is the frontcourt that good that a player with Wolfe's athletic and shooting ability can't play 10-12 minutes a game? I don't believe you get better sitting out. You get better by playing in real games especially against the tough OOC schedule this year. "What this season is supposed to be about" Every season is supposed to be about winning.
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