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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 12, 2013 23:00:02 GMT -5
Patsos will play 8 or 9 and Cole believes he is in so that leaves Wolfe on the outside..... This is not a surprise .... he was set to prep....I advised he go to College and prepare there instead of coming in new a year later....He is young and his body will make great strides in a year... If Cole is eligible that makes a 9 man rotation for this season. As a matter of fact that will be the 9 man rotation going into next season since the whole team returns. If Wolfe redshirts who does he knock out of the rotation? Teams just don't play 10 men, unless the 10th man is only getting 5 minutes or so. Just do not see how sitting on the bench just to gain muscle benefits him. I agree with the point you are making...he will still have to earn the time and beat someone out or take some of their time next year...I like him in the playing group as it makes us bigger and shifts up...but he sat alot in Montreal.... Pat Skerry told me he would redshirt a kid to get the returns that 5th year....with no scholarships for 2014 Wolfe would balance the class as well...there are positives ....last one being the kid nor the staff or parents signed on to contribute right away
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 23:05:51 GMT -5
If Cole is eligible that makes a 9 man rotation for this season. As a matter of fact that will be the 9 man rotation going into next season since the whole team returns. If Wolfe redshirts who does he knock out of the rotation? Teams just don't play 10 men, unless the 10th man is only getting 5 minutes or so. Just do not see how sitting on the bench just to gain muscle benefits him. I agree with the point you are making...he will still have to earn the time and beat someone out or take some of their time next year...I like him in the playing group as it makes us bigger and shifts up...but he sat alot in Montreal.... Pat Skerry told me he would redshirt a kid to get the returns that 5th year....with no scholarships for 2014 Wolfe would balance the class as well...there are positives ....last one being the kid nor the staff or parents signed on to contribute right away Well I guess it's a good thing Patsos has the depth this year to redshirt a player with pretty good skills. The majority of MAAC schools would not have the option to redshirt him.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 12, 2013 23:39:17 GMT -5
Patsos will play 8 or 9 and Cole believes he is in so that leaves Wolfe on the outside..... This is not a surprise .... he was set to prep....I advised he go to College and prepare there instead of coming in new a year later....He is young and his body will make great strides in a year... If Cole is eligible that makes a 9 man rotation for this season. As a matter of fact that will be the 9 man rotation going into next season since the whole team returns. If Wolfe redshirts who does he knock out of the rotation? Teams just don't play 10 men, unless the 10th man is only getting 5 minutes or so. Just do not see how sitting on the bench just to gain muscle benefits him. It's not about HIM, it's about the TEAM. No one is saying he'll be a star right away and I hear he's very skinny. We don't have the luxury of redshirting kids with potential. We are very thin upfront. Silas is ALWAYS in foul trouble, so we can't count on him for major minutes. I think J.O. will need to play alot of minutes. Hopefully Wolfe can provide an insurance policy to any injurires or foul trouble during the year. Not sure why everyone is so high or counting on Bisping to provide quality, major minutes at the PF? He got killed out here last year, and now people are penciling him in like he's Kevin McHale!?!? This is why I'm pretty confident that Long will get the majority of his time at the 4.
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Post by Tony on Sept 13, 2013 4:42:43 GMT -5
I can understand both sides of the coin in redshirting Wolfe. The kid is indeed talented , as for if he can’t defend at the D1 level- or RR and OD did it--- please both OD and RR were 210lbs or more as freshmen, Wolfe is not that heavy, he will get pushed around like a ragdoll. Many kids in Wolfe’s position go prep to get bigger and stronger.
On the other side Siena has had a checkered past with redshirting freshmen, off the top of my head only one I remember that was successful was David Ryan. I do know the NCAA is full of big guys who redshirted and it paid off—none more so than Vermont’s Taylor Coppenrath, who redshirted – was AE Freshmen of year in rookie season and then led Vermont to 3 straight NCAA’s . In fact Taylor credits much of his college success from redshirting his freshmen year And finally for those of you that say he should play 10-12 min a game—ahead of whom? If he can make the rotation and play 10-12 min a game I’m quite sure he won’t redshirt
Wolfe was signed on his potential- Kid is definitely under 200lbs and has very little muscle definition lion’s share of time up front will be played by Silas , JO Bisping and Long-
Here is what Taylor Coppenrath thought about red shirting
“ I really think that red-shirting my first year helped me develop physically and mentally for the competition of playing D-1 basketball. I was able to watch and learn a lot, and practicing with the team all year definitely helped me improve as a basketball player.”
In the end Jimmy will do whats best for the team
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Post by albanysaint on Sept 13, 2013 6:54:57 GMT -5
I can understand both sides of the coin in redshirting Wolfe. The kid is indeed talented , as for if he can’t defend at the D1 level- or RR and OD did it--- please both OD and RR were 210lbs or more as freshmen, Wolfe is not that heavy, he will get pushed around like a ragdoll. Many kids in Wolfe’s position go prep to get bigger and stronger. On the other side Siena has had a checkered past with redshirting freshmen, off the top of my head only one I remember that was successful was David Ryan. I do know the NCAA is full of big guys who redshirted and it paid off—none more so than Vermont’s Taylor Coppenrath, who redshirted – was AE Freshmen of year in rookie season and then led Vermont to 3 straight NCAA’s . In fact Taylor credits much of his college success from redshirting his freshmen year And finally for those of you that say he should play 10-12 min a game—ahead of whom? If he can make the rotation and play 10-12 min a game I’m quite sure he won’t redshirt Wolfe was signed on his potential- Kid is definitely under 200lbs and has very little muscle definition lion’s share of time up front will be played by Silas , JO Bisping and Long- Here is what Taylor Coppenrath thought about red shirting “ I really think that red-shirting my first year helped me develop physically and mentally for the competition of playing D-1 basketball. I was able to watch and learn a lot, and practicing with the team all year definitely helped me improve as a basketball player.” In the end Jimmy will do whats best for the team sounds like Hopper could finally earn his scholarship. Make Wolfe room/meal with Hopper. Problem solved.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 13, 2013 9:18:43 GMT -5
I can understand both sides of the coin in redshirting Wolfe. The kid is indeed talented , as for if he can’t defend at the D1 level- or RR and OD did it--- please both OD and RR were 210lbs or more as freshmen, Wolfe is not that heavy, he will get pushed around like a ragdoll. Many kids in Wolfe’s position go prep to get bigger and stronger. On the other side Siena has had a checkered past with redshirting freshmen, off the top of my head only one I remember that was successful was David Ryan. I do know the NCAA is full of big guys who redshirted and it paid off—none more so than Vermont’s Taylor Coppenrath, who redshirted – was AE Freshmen of year in rookie season and then led Vermont to 3 straight NCAA’s . In fact Taylor credits much of his college success from redshirting his freshmen year And finally for those of you that say he should play 10-12 min a game—ahead of whom? If he can make the rotation and play 10-12 min a game I’m quite sure he won’t redshirt Wolfe was signed on his potential- Kid is definitely under 200lbs and has very little muscle definition lion’s share of time up front will be played by Silas , JO Bisping and Long- Here is what Taylor Coppenrath thought about red shirting “ I really think that red-shirting my first year helped me develop physically and mentally for the competition of playing D-1 basketball. I was able to watch and learn a lot, and practicing with the team all year definitely helped me improve as a basketball player.” In the end Jimmy will do whats best for the team Rossiter was 6'8, 190 lbs. when he signed with Siena as a H.S. senior. By the time he showed up at Siena he was listed at 6'9, 216 - a significant 26 lb. swing in less than a year. He played slightly over 11 mpg his freshman year. Wolfe was listed at 215 as a H.S. senior. Either that was B.S., or something happened to cause him to lose so much weight, like illness. 200 lbs. is indeed slight for a guy his size. However, Austin Andrews started 17 games for Siena in the 2004-2005 season at 6'9, 205 lbs., so it's not like a kid can't handle the rigors of Div. 1 ball at the size. If Wolfe puts on 5 or 10 lbs. by November he'll be fine playing 10 minutes a game. He's the only player over 6'8 on a team that could use the height.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 13, 2013 9:40:28 GMT -5
I've already voiced my opinion on the matter (Wolfe would benefit from a redshirt) but a few final thoughts from me before I give it a rest:
- Austin Andrews, a Senior in 2004-05, occassionally started for a 6 win team at that anemic size, so Wolfe should therefore be fine? Austin Andrews was ineffective for his size. He could not rebound AND had no handle. He was essentially a spot-up shooter. Wolfe is not expected to be this type of player.
- Yes, RyRo and OD both averaged 11 & 12 mpg as Freshman who weren't filled out yet. However, as many said, they were still bigger than Wolfe is at this time. And, its worth noting that both RyRo and OD played the MOST minutes out of any other Freshman in their respective classes. They earned that amount of PT because they were ready to contribute, while other Freshman were not. Wolfe is currently sitting at 5th in his own class' depth chart.
- If Wolfe is good enough to earn this arbitrary 10-12 minutes per game, then great, let him play from Day 1. He must be a special player expected to contribute, and I hope that he hits the ground running. However, if he would not be awarded that much playing time, then it would be a waste to burn a year of his eligibility before his body is ready to contribute at this level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 13:34:30 GMT -5
I've already voiced my opinion on the matter (Wolfe would benefit from a redshirt) but a few final thoughts from me before I give it a rest: - Austin Andrews, a Senior in 2004-05, occassionally started for a 6 win team at that anemic size, so Wolfe should therefore be fine? Austin Andrews was ineffective for his size. He could not rebound AND had no handle. He was essentially a spot-up shooter. Wolfe is not expected to be this type of player. - Yes, RyRo and OD both averaged 11 & 12 mpg as Freshman who weren't filled out yet. However, as many said, they were still bigger than Wolfe is at this time. And, its worth noting that both RyRo and OD played the MOST minutes out of any other Freshman in their respective classes. They earned that amount of PT because they were ready to contribute, while other Freshman were not. Wolfe is currently sitting at 5th in his own class' depth chart. - If Wolfe is good enough to earn this arbitrary 10-12 minutes per game, then great, let him play from Day 1. He must be a special player expected to contribute, and I hope that he hits the ground running. However, if he would not be awarded that much playing time, then it would be a waste to burn a year of his eligibility before his body is ready to contribute at this level. Rossiter earned minutes with Franklin, Ubiles, Duell, and Magee also all getting double figure minutes. Anosike earned minutes with Franklin, Ubiles, and Rossiter all averaging 30+. Wolfe doesn't have that type of competition for minutes. Comparing Wolfe to the other freshman is pointless, since 2 of them are guards and 1 is a wing. The only other freshman big is Ogunyemi.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 13, 2013 14:36:56 GMT -5
I've already voiced my opinion on the matter (Wolfe would benefit from a redshirt) but a few final thoughts from me before I give it a rest: - Austin Andrews, a Senior in 2004-05, occassionally started for a 6 win team at that anemic size, so Wolfe should therefore be fine? Austin Andrews was ineffective for his size. He could not rebound AND had no handle. He was essentially a spot-up shooter. Wolfe is not expected to be this type of player. - Yes, RyRo and OD both averaged 11 & 12 mpg as Freshman who weren't filled out yet. However, as many said, they were still bigger than Wolfe is at this time. And, its worth noting that both RyRo and OD played the MOST minutes out of any other Freshman in their respective classes. They earned that amount of PT because they were ready to contribute, while other Freshman were not. Wolfe is currently sitting at 5th in his own class' depth chart. - If Wolfe is good enough to earn this arbitrary 10-12 minutes per game, then great, let him play from Day 1. He must be a special player expected to contribute, and I hope that he hits the ground running. However, if he would not be awarded that much playing time, then it would be a waste to burn a year of his eligibility before his body is ready to contribute at this level. Rossiter earned minutes with Franklin, Ubiles, Duell, and Magee also all getting double figure minutes. Anosike earned minutes with Franklin, Ubiles, and Rossiter all averaging 30+. Wolfe doesn't have that type of competition for minutes. Comparing Wolfe to the other freshman is pointless, since 2 of them are guards and 1 is a wing. The only other freshman big is Ogunyemi. Great point, you convinced me. Odd that you discount our Freshman as "2 guards and 1 wing" when 2 of the 4 Freshman besides Wolfe will play significant frontcourt minutes. And, you include Ubiles, a wing, in the list of formers frontcourt players those previous Freshman beat out. Happy Friday everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 14:49:30 GMT -5
Rossiter earned minutes with Franklin, Ubiles, Duell, and Magee also all getting double figure minutes. Anosike earned minutes with Franklin, Ubiles, and Rossiter all averaging 30+. Wolfe doesn't have that type of competition for minutes. Comparing Wolfe to the other freshman is pointless, since 2 of them are guards and 1 is a wing. The only other freshman big is Ogunyemi. Great point, you convinced me. Odd that you discount our Freshman as "2 guards and 1 wing" when 2 of the 4 Freshman besides Wolfe will play significant frontcourt minutes. And, you include Ubiles, a wing, in the list of formers frontcourt players those previous Freshman beat out. Happy Friday everyone. Actually kind of 2 separate points of yours I was responding to. 1) calling Wolfe #5 in his class when he isn't competing with Wright, White, or Long for minutes (I know you think Long is a 4, but that's another debate) and 2) Who the respective players are actually competing with for minutes. Wolfe is competing with 3 guys, none of whom has ever averaged 15mpg at the D1 level.
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Post by Tony on Sept 13, 2013 15:04:31 GMT -5
Great point, you convinced me. Odd that you discount our Freshman as "2 guards and 1 wing" when 2 of the 4 Freshman besides Wolfe will play significant frontcourt minutes. And, you include Ubiles, a wing, in the list of formers frontcourt players those previous Freshman beat out. Happy Friday everyone. Actually kind of 2 separate points of yours I was responding to. 1) calling Wolfe #5 in his class when he isn't competing with Wright, White, or Long for minutes (I know you think Long is a 4, but that's another debate) and 2) Who the respective players are actually competing with for minutes. Wolfe is competing with 3 guys, none of whom has ever averaged 15mpg at the D1 level. So whats you point that even if Wolfe is too thin to defend at D1 level- he should burn a year? Or Burn the year as insurance in case we need him? Or if he isn't good enough to earn minutes this year why waste a redshit year? You are all over the map, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? As to Austin Andrews, he was a bad example- he was a kid that was going to redshirt, we had injuries and he had to start playing in December- kid was not ready to play D1 ball and would have been much more effective had he had a 5th year I hear a lot of you say play him 10-12 min a game-- not a one of you said he should play in front of. I get its a luxury to red shirt a kid- but unless he will be in rotation why waste the year. And I suspect most of you saying he should play haven't seen him in person yet-- a good kid who just turned 18-- I am of the opinion he will be much more productive in a 5th year when he is physically developed than playing a few min a game this year or worse yet sit on bench as insurance
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 15:15:49 GMT -5
In Montreal, Wolfe had about as many boards as JO and he hardly played. He's our best combo of size, ball skill, and athleticism. Seems to me he brings a dimension we currently lack otherwise.
I honestly don't know what the rules are: Does Jimmy have to declare this before the season or just apply at the end of the year?
If Jimmy finds he doesn't need him this year then fine. However, if you have to do this ahead of time then I think it's a bad idea since we could get 5 games in and find that we just need another long versatile athlete to run around the court. That's not even considering injuries.
Ryan Bacon was 200 lbs his entire career and he was one of the elite defenders in the league. Wolfe has the athleticism to make up for not having the muscle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 15:35:04 GMT -5
Actually kind of 2 separate points of yours I was responding to. 1) calling Wolfe #5 in his class when he isn't competing with Wright, White, or Long for minutes (I know you think Long is a 4, but that's another debate) and 2) Who the respective players are actually competing with for minutes. Wolfe is competing with 3 guys, none of whom has ever averaged 15mpg at the D1 level. So whats you point that even if Wolfe is too thin to defend at D1 level- he should burn a year? Or Burn the year as insurance in case we need him? Or if he isn't good enough to earn minutes this year why waste a redshit year? You are all over the map, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? As to Austin Andrews, he was a bad example- he was a kid that was going to redshirt, we had injuries and he had to start playing in December- kid was not ready to play D1 ball and would have been much more effective had he had a 5th year I hear a lot of you say play him 10-12 min a game-- not a one of you said he should play in front of. I get its a luxury to red shirt a kid- but unless he will be in rotation why waste the year. And I suspect most of you saying he should play haven't seen him in person yet-- a good kid who just turned 18-- I am of the opinion he will be much more productive in a 5th year when he is physically developed than playing a few min a game this year or worse yet sit on bench as insurance I'm all over the map? I didn't say any of the 3 things you just attributed to me.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 13, 2013 15:58:07 GMT -5
How old is MW 17/18? Let him mature he's a talent! Do we really need him on the floor this year. He's not going to be a difference maker BUT as a 5th yr senior he will be!
Don't be short sighted and narrow minded.
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Post by Tony on Sept 13, 2013 16:26:06 GMT -5
How old is MW 17/18? Let him mature he's a talent! Do we really need him on the floor this year. He's not going to be a difference maker BUT as a 5th yr senior he will be! Don't be short sighted and narrow minded. I'm quite sure Jimmy will do the right thing, if he is strong enough to play inside at D1 level- I'm sure he will play. If he is not and or he will not play significant minutes I'm sure he will be red shirted- pretty simple really. Either way I expect him to have a fine career at Siena
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