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Post by Sienafan on Aug 28, 2013 1:19:37 GMT -5
It won't come to that other than for spot duty. Siena has Silas, Bisping, Ogunyemi, and Wolfe to play most of the minutes at the 4/5 before Lavon has to. But he will play there some on occasion when the team needs to go smaller and quicker against smaller opponents or in the event of foul trouble. As I said above, don't get too hung up on what the name of position he plays is. In the MAAC where you see a lot of 4 guard lineups, Lavon still gets to play like a 3 even if he's playing at the 4 during a given game. That was the Deal...he actually said Lavon would start at the 3 and play 30 min a game..but will play the 4 when he goes small....now I am a coach so I wont hold a gun to his head about the starting or the mins ever...and is too early to say we are where we will be.....Wright earning the pg spot affected Lavon starting I Believe and the s small lineup makes him play big and takes away his advantage ...we are just talking here...just know I have seen so much of thid still holding out that Patsos will keep his word and let Lavon play his game...that's why we chose him You of all people should know that nothing is guaranteed in Div. 1 hoops - especially a freshman starting and playing big minutes. Lavon will get what he earns, nothing less and nothing more - just like any other player. You can be sure if the team is better off with him starting, then he will start. But if the team is better off with Lavon assuming the role of instant offense off the bench as the 6th man, so be it. Either way, you can be sure he'll get a lot of minutes playing various positions because of his versatility - you should see that as a strength, not as a means to hold him back. I personally would start Poole at the 2 and Lavon at the 3, with Hymes at the 1 as Patsos originally stated. That may yet come to pass as Patsos is not done tinkering with the lineup and Wright may not yet be ready to start. But he obviously saw something that made him switch his original lineup. Neither you nor I know what that was, so we are in no position to second guess the coach. We'll see what happens, but I have faith Patsos will do what's best for the team. I think you will find the majority of Lavon's minutes will be at the 3 as promised. The team has little need for him to play big minutes at the 4 - there are other options there. Either way, he'll get to play his game - sometimes we'll just have two 3s out there. Poole and Long on the floor together is a matchup nightmare for most opponents because both are guard quick, yet with forward size.
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Post by Tony on Aug 28, 2013 5:32:59 GMT -5
I agree in Jimmy’s system it doesn’t matter where you play ( 3 or 4) Lavon is versatile and the kid can obviously play. He is going to get a lot of time at both the 3 and 4 this year. In the press he can show his quickness and on offense he is a match problem for most teams- I’m excited about Lavon’s potential and versatility , but we have to keep in mind he is a freshmen and learning every day
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 6:03:51 GMT -5
PPC is 100% right about Lavon's development, though. Yes, Scoop Jordan and Burdine played the 4, so did Alex Franklin and Corey Osinski. David Ryan played the 5. But it stunted the development of every one of them. And it wouldn't help Lavon to work and develop 2 years as a 4, then try to transition back to a 3/2.
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Post by nolesaint on Aug 28, 2013 6:45:18 GMT -5
PPC - Please forgive if I missed this in previous post(s). Are you concerned about Lavon playing the 2/3 v the 4 in total, on offense or defense? As I am sure you and just about everyone else realizes there are many ways this can play out and some of it is out of Jimmy & Lavon's control.
Jimmy can control where he puts Lavon in Siena's offense - is he on the wing or in the paint, does he ever have the ball in his hand to create or just screen, pic-n-pop, etc... Jimmy can control who Lavon defends at the beginning of each defensive stance in a game.
Neither Jimmy or Lavon can control who defends Lavon and nor what the opponents do offensively during their sets that could put Lavon in a position of (Based on where he ends up on the floor and who he is guarding) looking like a SG, WG, SF, PF on D.
Sometimes emails/posts aren't clear so I hope this make sense as I try to understand your concern a little better.
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Post by greenandgold on Aug 28, 2013 7:15:58 GMT -5
PPC - Please forgive if I missed this in previous post(s). Are you concerned about Lavon playing the 2/3 v the 4 in total, on offense or defense? As I am sure you and just about everyone else realizes there are many ways this can play out and some of it is out of Jimmy & Lavon's control. Jimmy can control where he puts Lavon in Siena's offense - is he on the wing or in the paint, does he ever have the ball in his hand to create or just screen, pic-n-pop, etc... Jimmy can control who Lavon defends at the beginning of each defensive stance in a game. Neither Jimmy or Lavon can control who defends Lavon and nor what the opponents do offensively during their sets that could put Lavon in a position of (Based on where he ends up on the floor and who he is guarding) looking like a SG, WG, SF, PF on D. Sometimes emails/posts aren't clear so I hope this make sense as I try to understand your concern a little better. Thanks
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Post by greenandgold on Aug 28, 2013 7:17:38 GMT -5
There should be a sticky thread that discusses Lavon Long's position exclusively.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 28, 2013 8:19:49 GMT -5
I agree in Jimmy’s system it doesn’t matter where you play ( 3 or 4) Lavon is versatile and the kid can obviously play. He is going to get a lot of time at both the 3 and 4 this year. In the press he can show his quickness and on offense he is a match problem for most teams- I’m excited about Lavon’s potential and versatility , but we have to keep in mind he is a freshmen and learning every day First off once again I appreciate the healthy debate without personal attacks....also Lavon is happy so I am not complaining just stating the facts that are unfolding ....Lavon has the ability to do everything on the court efficiently on this level......I am not hung up on starting and neither is Lavon....the fact that he finished every game except the one he fouled out says he has a role and is showing his value....what has started to happen though is that his size and ability to defend Big and rebound has begun to overshadow everything else and he is being called a BigMan at 6'6...something I did not want and worked real hard in recruitment to prevent that....as I have said many times Lavon is best playing with size rather than being the size....defending PF evens the playing field as the PF is his size or taller.....Lavon is a versatile defender but coaches want to keep him near the basket because he has never played with true big men that are a better option than he is on the defensive end.......It does bother me when a player is called and allowed to play the guard position because they are 5-7 inches shorter than Lavon but not as skilled and cant play inside...Lavon's body type has been a blessing and a curse....That was the inspiration for making the videos....to show Lavon's skill set... Now I do still Believe that Patsos knows Lavon's game and was being sincere about what Lavon would have done at Loyola....with the graduating seniors and the style of play it looked like a perfect fit....he assured us nothing would change at Siena....I Believe he believed that but also knew that was an educated guess at best before Patsos worked with the team...sure enough Wright shows off at the pg and Patsos decides to focus on his development forcing Hymes to compete at the 2 for a starting spot....that pushed Poole down and Lavon out.....not a problem there at all as Lavon is a freshman that has no pressure which is great for him....and Lavon is not hung up on starting...I realize Patsos is still tweeking and that he will put Lavon in place to help the team win...Lavon will fill that role without questioning ....The big guys need to play big so Lavon can use his skills on both ends of the floor....playing the 3/4 was the deal.....I appreciate Patsos publicly stating Lavon's versatility ....coaches in the past have downplayed his skill set to excuse why they did not let him do it.. At the end of the day Lavon will play to win and give what is asked....and this team is better right now than alot of people realize....very early yet they are very competitive
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:03:43 GMT -5
PPC is 100% right about Lavon's development, though. Yes, Scoop Jordan and Burdine played the 4, so did Alex Franklin and Corey Osinski. David Ryan played the 5. But it stunted the development of every one of them. And it wouldn't help Lavon to work and develop 2 years as a 4, then try to transition back to a 3/2. Alex Franklin was player of the year. Burdine had his best year last year, even shooting wise. Ubiles played some PF too. This doesn't make much sense. Lavon has to prove himself in order to work his way into a more permanent role as SF. He's playing well as a mismatch down low.. He's shooting 60% from the FT line, has missed the threes he has taken, and has a negative assist ratio so far in Montreal. He should tighten up his perimeter game before we worry about what position is best for his development. He's partially determining his own role thru his own play right now. It's not all about how he's so much better than his teammates down low. If he wants to play the 3, make the 3. If he wants to act as a point forward, don't turn the ball over. If he wants to stay on the court, don't foul. If Lavon wants to be that guy, he needs to make himself into that guy. If Lavon IS that guy, Jimmy will let him be that guy.
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Post by greenblood on Aug 28, 2013 9:16:18 GMT -5
Imhoh has a bad habit of overthinking things instead of just going with the flow. Hopefully, he settles down soon and there is someone on the new staff that can develop a big man (something that has always been a missing link IMHO).
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Aug 28, 2013 9:29:57 GMT -5
This is why a parent should not be pushing a child's agenda on a message board.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:33:42 GMT -5
PPC is 100% right about Lavon's development, though. Yes, Scoop Jordan and Burdine played the 4, so did Alex Franklin and Corey Osinski. David Ryan played the 5. But it stunted the development of every one of them. And it wouldn't help Lavon to work and develop 2 years as a 4, then try to transition back to a 3/2. Alex Franklin was player of the year. Burdine had his best year last year, even shooting wise. Ubiles played some PF too. This doesn't make much sense. Lavon has to prove himself in order to work his way into a more permanent role as SF. He's playing well as a mismatch down low.. He's shooting 60% from the FT line, has missed the threes he has taken, and has a negative assist ratio so far in Montreal. He should tighten up his perimeter game before we worry about what position is best for his development. He's partially determining his own role thru his own play right now. It's not all about how he's so much better than his teammates down low. If he wants to play the 3, make the 3. If he wants to act as a point forward, don't turn the ball over. If he wants to stay on the court, don't foul. If Lavon wants to be that guy, he needs to make himself into that guy. If Lavon IS that guy, Jimmy will let him be that guy. Where are Ubiles, Franklin, Burdine, Jordan, Ryan, etc, now? And where might they be if they spent 4 years working at their natural postitions? Nobody said they can't play the position in the MAAC, it was said it's not best for their development. How does that make no sense? Oh, because you didn't say it, right?
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Post by siena7127 on Aug 28, 2013 9:49:09 GMT -5
Seriously this team is winning and that is all that matters in year 1. Jimmy will play the kids where he feels that the player and the team have the best chance of success. Lavon will have to help pick up his struggling teammate Silas from time to time, I am sure when Silas figures it out Lavon will get more time at the 3 and maybe the 2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:51:34 GMT -5
Where are Ubiles, Franklin, Burdine, Jordan, Ryan, etc, now? And where might they be if they spent 4 years working at their natural postitions? Nobody said they can't play the position in the MAAC, it was said it's not best for their development. How does that make no sense? Oh, because you didn't say it, right? Wait, are you trying to tell me that if they all played exclusively SF in college they'd all be in the NBA right now? I'm sorry but Ubiles had the best ball skills of the bunch and started 4 years at mostly SF and he couldn't make it. And he used to do 360 dunks in games. Burdine should be in the NBA right now if Mitch played him exclusively at SF. His broken foot, the lack of motivation, the drugs, the poor grades, the bad decisions, not being able to drive effectively and take care of the ball are all because Mitch played him a lot at PF last year, his best year. The fact that Franklin was a career 65% FT shooter, turned the ball over 126 more times than he had assists, and was 6-4.5 was all because he played the PF. That's why he's not in the NBA. Fran screwed him by vindictively putting him at PF so he would get POY and would get all that national publicity and exposure to scouts. What a jerk! For Jordan and Ryan, they were 6-24 playing in their "natural positions." They jumped to 15-13. And then Ryan stayed for the 20 win year. Lanier got fired for playing them at their "natural positions."
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Post by greenblood on Aug 28, 2013 10:12:23 GMT -5
Making it in the NBA these days involved several factors if you are not the #1-2 pick, and even then believe me the information that the scouts and the team management reviews is extensive. Work ethic and personal profile are not left out of the equation for most teams. Some with all natural talent (Ubiles) were well surpassed by those who had the discipline to get the most out of THEMSELVES during their Siena Career (Franklin, Hasbrouck, Moore, Fisher) and let that take them to their career path. Don't believe any of their parents/guardians molded anything for them by circling almost every thread response back to them either. Again, JMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 10:13:50 GMT -5
I think Lavon is a 4-year star playing with 3 other guards in this league. I think he's a 2 year star-ter playing the SF. I think he develops faster by being in the heat of every game even IF it's playing at the 4. In Jimmy's system, he will still be able to attack and do his thing and it will look a lot like he's playing SF anyway. The mismatches he causes in that position will make his team win, raising his own profile in turn.
If he plays exclusively at the three, I don't see his stock rising as fast. This kid could be POY or least high all-maac at some point in this league if he is used as that mismatch maniac. That draws more looks than anything. Use him at the SF here and there and it will also showcase his versatility.
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