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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Aug 26, 2013 15:40:10 GMT -5
If you believe the mantra "a team is only as strong as its weakest player", then it does a lot of good. Well, Florida Gulf Coast played all their starters for 31+ minutes and played four bench players for 2-9 minutes in their NCAA Tournament win over Georgetown. That means they had four other scholarship players that didn't get into the game. So, no, I don't believe that mantra applies to college basketball. That philosophy does not mean that all 13 scholarship players should play meaningful minutes to be a successful program, but that even the worst players on your team is integral when considering a team's mentality, preparation, practice quality, and ultimately backup coverage in case of injury, suspension, etc. Patsos has already said multiple times he's looking for his 8 or 9 guys, which would fall right in line with a healthy player rotation.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 26, 2013 15:45:27 GMT -5
Guys I Believe this team is special...perfect mix of old and new....the old guys have seen rough times and are grateful for Patsos...add that he is giving them the opportunity to earn time so if they dont they are still willing to be a part and try again next year....sure anything can happen so yes keep the recruiting going...you just cant accept a commitment without an open scholly so you miss on guys...Time will tell whether or not I am right but I see this team staying together for 3 years....with a nice run for the title with the seniors and depth from the jrs that will step their games up after a year under Patsos
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 15:51:07 GMT -5
Guys I Believe this team is special...perfect mix of old and new....the old guys have seen rough times and are grateful for Patsos...add that he is giving them the opportunity to earn time so if they dont they are still willing to be a part and try again next year....sure anything can happen so yes keep the recruiting going...you just cant accept a commitment without an open scholly so you miss on guys...Time will tell whether or not I am right but I see this team staying together for 3 years....with a nice run for the title with the seniors and depth from the jrs that will step their games up after a year under Patsos Sorry, but you won't find 1 team in D1 basketball staying intact for 3 years. It just won't happen.
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Post by spacemanjackson on Aug 26, 2013 16:04:36 GMT -5
Every year Siena has someone that leaves, transfers or does not come back to school. Going back to 2007 you had Del La Rosa, 2008 - Geiler, 2009 - Breeden and Yard, 2010 - Brookins and Burdine, 2011 - Gomis and Beard, 2012 - to be determined, and 2013 - to be determined. Prior to that it was a revolving door. I would be very surprised if a ship does not open. Who is to say that one of our Juniors does not graduate early and spend thier 4th year elsewhere getting a masters. We need to continue recruiting and let JP determine the best way to stay employed.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 26, 2013 16:55:29 GMT -5
I did not say stop recruitihuhung... I just believe the next spots will be the jrs...and if one or two of the sophs graduate early....time will tell but I just dont see any of these guys walking away from Siena.....too nice of a place
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 27, 2013 0:21:06 GMT -5
I did not say stop recruitihuhung... I just believe the next spots will be the jrs...and if one or two of the sophs graduate early....time will tell but I just dont see any of these guys walking away from Siena.....too nice of a place Sometimes it's not their choice. As for why 2 kids for next year "magic", that's the amount I think we need, and I'll go out on a limb and say that AT LEAST 2 spots will open up before next May We need another perimter impact and a bull inside. IF we wanna win like we got used to, these two kids can't be complimentary kids. Jimmy has a year to recruit now, and he needs to bring in two special kids. I think he can do it. Wright is a quality PG that needs to earn trust in his running mates, and when he does, I hop he doesn't shoot more than 10 times a game. If he, and more importantly, the coaching staff thinks he's a guy that should take 18 shots a game, we'll in the boat as we were in last year. We need guys to step up and show they can play.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 27, 2013 1:16:36 GMT -5
I did not say stop recruitihuhung... I just believe the next spots will be the jrs...and if one or two of the sophs graduate early....time will tell but I just dont see any of these guys walking away from Siena.....too nice of a place Sometimes it's not their choice. As for why 2 kids for next year "magic", that's the amount I think we need, and I'll go out on a limb and say that AT LEAST 2 spots will open up before next May We need another perimter impact and a bull inside. IF we wanna win like we got used to, these two kids can't be complimentary kids. Jimmy has a year to recruit now, and he needs to bring in two special kids. I think he can do it. Wright is a quality PG that needs to earn trust in his running mates, and when he does, I hop he doesn't shoot more than 10 times a game. If he, and more importantly, the coaching staff thinks he's a guy that should take 18 shots a game, we'll in the boat as we were in last year. We need guys to step up and show they can play. well I disagree...I am happy with what we have to build on...Patsos top 8 or 9 that he gathers by Nov 8th does not need to be recruited over....and coach has to have cause to get rid of a player ...if he is in good standing all Patsos can do is bench them...but since no one wants to stay where they are not wanted the coach just needs to let the player know he wont be getting any time and the player will volunteer
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:18:11 GMT -5
I did not say stop recruitihuhung... I just believe the next spots will be the jrs...and if one or two of the sophs graduate early....time will tell but I just dont see any of these guys walking away from Siena.....too nice of a place Sometimes it's not their choice. As for why 2 kids for next year "magic", that's the amount I think we need, and I'll go out on a limb and say that AT LEAST 2 spots will open up before next May We need another perimter impact and a bull inside. IF we wanna win like we got used to, these two kids can't be complimentary kids. Jimmy has a year to recruit now, and he needs to bring in two special kids. I think he can do it. Wright is a quality PG that needs to earn trust in his running mates, and when he does, I hop he doesn't shoot more than 10 times a game. If he, and more importantly, the coaching staff thinks he's a guy that should take 18 shots a game, we'll in the boat as we were in last year. We need guys to step up and show they can play. I don't have a problem with you thinking they need 2. You stated, twice, "the two players we bring in next year". That sounds like you know exactly what is going to happen. I was interested in your source.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 27, 2013 8:27:31 GMT -5
No source, just a realistic feeling. You're right, it could be 7 new kids, could be none, who really knows? Bringing in 2 kids that are good enough to get minutes right away is all I think we can afford to do without totally destroying the morale of the returning players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:40:19 GMT -5
No source, just a realistic feeling. You're right, it could be 7 new kids, could be none, who really knows? Bringing in 2 kids that are good enough to get minutes right away is all I think we can afford to do without totally destroying the morale of the returning players. Okay. I think 2 is realistic. I guess it's just wait and see how the team develops, too. Some (or most) people here have more "inside" knowledge of the Siena program than I do, the only reason for my question.
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Aug 27, 2013 9:04:38 GMT -5
Sometimes it's not their choice. As for why 2 kids for next year "magic", that's the amount I think we need, and I'll go out on a limb and say that AT LEAST 2 spots will open up before next May We need another perimter impact and a bull inside. IF we wanna win like we got used to, these two kids can't be complimentary kids. Jimmy has a year to recruit now, and he needs to bring in two special kids. I think he can do it. Wright is a quality PG that needs to earn trust in his running mates, and when he does, I hop he doesn't shoot more than 10 times a game. If he, and more importantly, the coaching staff thinks he's a guy that should take 18 shots a game, we'll in the boat as we were in last year. We need guys to step up and show they can play. well I disagree...I am happy with what we have to build on...Patsos top 8 or 9 that he gathers by Nov 8th does not need to be recruited over....and coach has to have cause to get rid of a player ...if he is in good standing all Patsos can do is bench them...but since no one wants to stay where they are not wanted the coach just needs to let the player know he wont be getting any time and the player will volunteer Curious as to why you don't want Patsos to recruit over his current players? Coaches always recruit the best players they can regardless of the current roster. As someone posted before, you are only as strong as your weakest link.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 9:13:24 GMT -5
Franciscan values dudes. The team is your family until they are no longer on your team. You make contacts and establish relationships with players but you don't get involved in pushing people out. That does more harm than good over the long haul. Develop relationships with the CityRocks etc..and be in a position for the transfers home or if something opens up. I don't know that now is the time to be offering anybody and especially bothering to heavily recruit non-local 2014 players..
You want to develop relationships with guys like Taplin fine. After that, it's a real risky endeavor chemistry wise.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Aug 27, 2013 9:18:21 GMT -5
Franciscan values dudes. The team is your family until they are no longer on your team. You make contacts and establish relationships with players but you don't get involved in pushing people out. That does more harm than good over the long haul. Develop relationships with the CityRocks etc..and be in a position for the transfers home or if something opens up. I don't know that now is the time to be offering anybody and especially bothering to heavily recruit non-local 2014 players.. You want to develop relationships with guys like Taplin fine. After that, it's a real risky endeavor chemistry wise. Yup. One of the things Jimmy talked about when he was first hired was that he would offer local guys who maybe wouldn't even realistically consider Siena, because that offer might cause them to decide to reconsider Siena later if they want to transfer closer to home. Certainly an offer when he don't have any open scholarships wouldn't be seriously considered, but it does still build that relationship. It also builds the relationships with the high school and AAU coaches, which Jimmy will need for the 2015 and 2016 recruiting classes.
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Aug 27, 2013 9:35:50 GMT -5
Franciscan values dudes. The team is your family until they are no longer on your team. You make contacts and establish relationships with players but you don't get involved in pushing people out. That does more harm than good over the long haul. Develop relationships with the CityRocks etc..and be in a position for the transfers home or if something opens up. I don't know that now is the time to be offering anybody and especially bothering to heavily recruit non-local 2014 players.. You want to develop relationships with guys like Taplin fine. After that, it's a real risky endeavor chemistry wise. KK recruit over his current players may have been a bad choice of words by me, but coaches recruit the best talent they can get. You can't stand still at this level of college ball and be successful. The family value mindset is fine with fans as long as they are winning. This is a business first.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 27, 2013 11:25:20 GMT -5
Franciscan values dudes. The team is your family until they are no longer on your team. You make contacts and establish relationships with players but you don't get involved in pushing people out. That does more harm than good over the long haul. Develop relationships with the CityRocks etc..and be in a position for the transfers home or if something opens up. I don't know that now is the time to be offering anybody and especially bothering to heavily recruit non-local 2014 players.. You want to develop relationships with guys like Taplin fine. After that, it's a real risky endeavor chemistry wise. Agreed 100% as that's exactly what he did at Loyola ..he had more local guys wanted to come back than he had scholarships...great practice ...guys might fall off, get hurt or leave, I agree and you need to be ready....just did not Believe Patsos is the type of coach to recruit over his players and push guys out....there are programs like that...felt real certain Patsos will not run that type of program
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