|
Post by Tony on Jul 24, 2013 15:48:17 GMT -5
For the record. I didn't mean slowdown. I meant not turning the ball over and not playing on our heels. Do you really want Oliver and Audu bringing the ball up against that type of press? Playing them together against a team like Manhattan makes it so that they can't as easily trap us without getting punished on the other end. Both of these PGs have the ability to break a double team. Brookins didn't. Well Hymes is fast enough to break a press-- but he hasn't really shown that abilty on a consistent basis, I'm hopeful with better coaching he can do it. But even if he can, you give up a lot defensively with 2- small guards.. who guards Jaspers 2's- Shane Richards ( 6-5) Beamon ( 6-4)Gates ( 6-6) --- this is where we are hurting this year-- we have no defensive stopper at the 2-- Audu has some potential-- but is a turnover machine ( not good against Manhattan) I think it will be just a matter of picking their poison- no really good answers at the two -- major weakness for us this year. Any way we go Jimmy has to put a band aid on it-- hopefully get as much as we can from Wright- Poole- Audu- Oliver at the two. A good coach has a way of hiding a weakness
|
|
|
Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2013 15:57:20 GMT -5
KK I would not put Lavon at the 2 on this team but he can help break the press no matter what position he is playing ...he will prob take the ball out whenever he is in and can get it back after the double team...the best way to beat the press is the pass....you lose too much on D with the 2 small guards ..I understand that was what you were but at this point we are bigger so we should take advantage of that....
|
|
|
Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2013 15:59:42 GMT -5
If the guys competing for time at the 2 cant get it done then do what you must...I think it deserves to be explored before you give up and go small
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:00:34 GMT -5
They are going to be bigger and stronger than us. The only way we could beat them is on turnover margin and beating their press. They have lead the league in TOs 2 years in a row. Getting Beamon back doesn't exactly help that cause either. If we negate their press and get them to make the mistakes they usually do, we can win. Hopefully, Jimmy gets us forcing more TOs and hopefully Wright and Long make things happen on that side of the ball like I hope they can.
For Wright, averaging 100 steals a year in HS just has to translate to AT LEAST 50 ish in college. Nobody does that.
|
|
|
Post by Tony on Jul 24, 2013 16:12:11 GMT -5
If the guys competing for time at the 2 cant get it done then do what you must...I think it deserves to be explored before you give up and go small I agree with this-- still early, who knows maybe Audu improves--Olivers knee's are good. Cole getting the waiver would help. And against certain line up's for limited time I'm OK with going small. As for the Manhattan press-- Besides Hymes and Wright..Poole is good with the ball Long looks to be good. and I agree passing is best way to beat a press.. and nothing loosens up a press like a team ATTACKING it
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:15:18 GMT -5
KK I would not put Lavon at the 2 on this team but he can help break the press no matter what position he is playing ...he will prob take the ball out whenever he is in and can get it back after the double team...the best way to beat the press is the pass....you lose too much on D with the 2 small guards ..I understand that was what you were but at this point we are bigger so we should take advantage of that.... It has nothing to do with what we "were." Our lineup was often 5-8, 6-5, 6-6, 6-9, 6-8 towards the end of last year. I was one of the people who before the year said that Brookins should ideally be eased out of the starting lineup after the 1st few games last year and come off the bench for 20 mins or so. And I definitely thought so after he was stinking up the joint and not doing the one thing playing 2 PGs is supposed to do....take care of the ball. This is about what we have now. I love Lavon's game especially on defense but I will be pleasantly surprised if he has a positive assist ratio as a frosh, no offense. I'm sure he may get close but I'm not expecting it. If we're going to improve our turnover margin Wright and Hymes are going to have to be at the center of it.
|
|
|
Post by Tony on Jul 24, 2013 16:20:39 GMT -5
If we're going to improve our turnover margin Wright and Hymes are going to have to be at the center of it. I agree with this.. Wright and Hymes will be at the center of it..from the PG position .. playing two sub 6 footers ( under 170lbs) is a recipe for disaster in half court on D..Like I said against certain teams for limited time you can get away with it. It cannot be your main game plan-- hopefully we have better options.
|
|
$cott
Assistant Coach
Posts: 5,101
Dislikes:
|
Post by $cott on Jul 24, 2013 16:23:54 GMT -5
KK I would not put Lavon at the 2 on this team but he can help break the press no matter what position he is playing ...he will prob take the ball out whenever he is in and can get it back after the double team...the best way to beat the press is the pass....you lose too much on D with the 2 small guards ..I understand that was what you were but at this point we are bigger so we should take advantage of that.... It has nothing to do with what we "were." Our lineup was often 5-8, 6-5, 6-6, 6-9, 6-8 towards the end of last year. I was one of the people who before the year said that Brookins should ideally be eased out of the starting lineup after the 1st few games last year and come off the bench for 20 mins or so. And I definitely thought so after he was stinking up the joint and not doing the one thing playing 2 PGs is supposed to do....take care of the ball. This is about what we have now. I love Lavon's game especially on defense but I will be pleasantly surprised if he has a positive assist ratio as a frosh, no offense. I'm sure he may get close but I'm not expecting it. If we're going to improve our turnover margin Wright and Hymes are going to have to be at the center of it. Only two forwards in the entire MAAC last year had a positive assist to turnover ratio, Anthony Winbush (2.5 to 1.75) and TJ Cline who only averaged 0.8 APG to 0.7 TPG. So yeah, I would be thrilled if any non guard has a positive assist to turnover ratio.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Dislikes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:31:26 GMT -5
Oh no you didn't Scott. "non guard" I think you need to check your front door. I'm pretty sure PPC just lit a flaming bag of poo on your porch.
|
|
$cott
Assistant Coach
Posts: 5,101
Dislikes:
|
Post by $cott on Jul 24, 2013 16:34:43 GMT -5
Oh no you didn't Scott. "non guard" I think you need to check your front door. I'm pretty sure PPC just lit a flaming bag of poo on your porch. I went strictly by roster designation, no G-F did it either.
|
|
gorvy
Associate Head Coach
Posts: 10,020
Dislikes:
|
Post by gorvy on Jul 24, 2013 17:35:36 GMT -5
We will have to agree to disagree here...not a fan of the small lineup...I only want them out there together if all else failed in the game ....not as an option in the game plan...give me Audu, Oliver, and Poole this year and add Cole next year at the 2... In the MAAC there will be plenty of games where two small guys will work and plenty where they won't. I have faith that Patsos will pick the spots to use them together wisely. In this game, and many others Siena did just fine with 5'9" Tay Fisher at the SG: scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=284000005Love those stats look at the 22-25 from the line, 10 of. 10 from kenny
|
|
gorvy
Associate Head Coach
Posts: 10,020
Dislikes:
|
Post by gorvy on Jul 24, 2013 17:47:15 GMT -5
I can see wright playing with Hymes for Long stretches of the game.
|
|
|
Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 24, 2013 20:40:33 GMT -5
really cant wait for the season to start...you will be surprised about several things...Lavon will show you KK KK I would not put Lavon at the 2 on this team but he can help break the press no matter what position he is playing ...he will prob take the ball out whenever he is in and can get it back after the double team...the best way to beat the press is the pass....you lose too much on D with the 2 small guards ..I understand that was what you were but at this point we are bigger so we should take advantage of that.... It has nothing to do with what we "were." Our lineup was often 5-8, 6-5, 6-6, 6-9, 6-8 towards the end of last year. I was one of the people who before the year said that Brookins should ideally be eased out of the starting lineup after the 1st few games last year and come off the bench for 20 mins or so. And I definitely thought so after he was stinking up the joint and not doing the one thing playing 2 PGs is supposed to do....take care of the ball. This is about what we have now. I love Lavon's game especially on defense but I will be pleasantly surprised if he has a positive assist ratio as a frosh, no offense. I'm sure he may get close but I'm not expecting it. If we're going to improve our turnover margin Wright and Hymes are going to have to be at the center of it.
|
|
Sienafan
Team Captain
Posts: 2,498
Dislikes:
|
Post by Sienafan on Jul 24, 2013 23:21:48 GMT -5
Good discussion here. My take? You can throw out a lot of last season's stats. It's a whole new ballgame under a new coach who actually knows what he's doing. The turnovers will go down due to the simple fact that the team will know what to do with the ball instead of waiting for the shot clock to wind down and do something ill-advised out of desperation. Lastly, I think a few of you have given up and/or judged Hymes, Audu, and Oliver prematurely. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by what all three of them bring to the table. I do not agree that this team has weak options at the two. Just the opposite - we're gonna see some nice sophomore jumps next season. This team is big, deep, and strong. Only Hymes and Wolfe could really use a lot of time in the weight room. As long as this team can score, it'll be fine.
|
|
musicman
Team Captain
Posts: 2,327
Dislikes:
|
Post by musicman on Jul 25, 2013 1:46:44 GMT -5
Good discussion here. My take? You can throw out a lot of last season's stats. It's a whole new ballgame under a new coach who actually knows what he's doing. The turnovers will go down due to the simple fact that the team will know what to do with the ball instead of waiting for the shot clock to wind down and do something ill-advised out of desperation. Lastly, I think a few of you have given up and/or judged Hymes, Audu, and Oliver prematurely. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by what all three of them bring to the table. I do not agree that this team has weak options at the two. Just the opposite - we're gonna see some nice sophomore jumps next season. This team is big, deep, and strong. Only Hymes and Wolfe could really use a lot of time in the weight room. As long as this team can score, it'll be fine. well said sienafan. My only concern on development for the 2s would be with Oliver. It's tough for any athlete to sit with an injury. Not only are you set back and need re-hab but you can't grow when you can't perform. At this point does anyone have a report on where Oliver is with his recovery, is he able to practice or run at this time?
|
|