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Post by Sienafan on Apr 17, 2020 14:44:37 GMT -5
Not sure what the staff was thinking here? Needs about another 20 pounds of muscle to compete and give us some help at the center position. Big jump from JUCCO and a vary bad Western Illinois team to help Siena with valuable minutes at the 5. Is he any better than Denzel? Arrington had 12 games where he scored at least 5 points - including two games in double digits. He had 7 games with 5 or more rebounds, including one 10 rebound game. Keep in mind the Summit League was higher rated than the MAAC last season, so it's not like he faced inferior competition. He's a proven scholarship level D1 player who gave his team at least what Sammy gave Siena - and he did so in a stronger league regardless of how bad his own team was. What does Denzel's resume look like in comparison?
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Post by billmurray on Apr 17, 2020 14:49:01 GMT -5
Not sure what the staff was thinking here? Needs about another 20 pounds of muscle to compete and give us some help at the center position. Big jump from JUCCO and a vary bad Western Illinois team to help Siena with valuable minutes at the 5. Is he any better than Denzel? Arrington had 12 games where he scored at least 5 points - including two games in double digits. He had 7 games with 5 or more rebounds, including one 10 rebound game. Keep in mind the Summit League was higher rated than the MAAC last season, so it's not like he faced inferior competition. He's a proven scholarship level D1 player who gave his team at least what Sammy gave Siena - and he did so in a stronger league regardless of how bad his own team was. What does Denzel's resume look like in comparison? A simple yes would have sufficed, but it is always good to offer empirical evidence.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Apr 17, 2020 16:56:45 GMT -5
Got to think he gets the credits he needs this summer Is there any recruiting info in this kid? Hudl perhaps? Given this kids size and college experience;I will be nice and say the kid plays hard. That said, the cbb mid major level is getting worse year by year and this kids threshold is 5 points and 6 or 7 boards. A kid that is 6'10", with a decent frame and playing in that league, was stressed to score 5 points and now lands with us. Just don't get it. Cbb is in trouble fellas looking at the kids jumping to the NBA given the situation. Hey, the NCAA asked for this and the NBA and silver is sticking a big middle finger in the air given the ncaa stance on the one and done and NOW, this is a disaster. Cbb talent gets worse every year and now look at what's going on at the mid major level, our world.
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Post by mjs72 on Apr 17, 2020 17:45:28 GMT -5
I am sure Carm and Bob see something in him or they could have waited to offer him or another big.
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Post by Tony on Apr 17, 2020 18:31:03 GMT -5
You guys are funny-- you can't have 13 stars on your roster. You need role players, legitimate D1 role players. You get a team with 13 guys who think they should be playing 20/30 min a game you are going to have a ton of transfers. The good coaches pick and choose their role players very carefully. Ask yourself how many min are Jalen, Don and Manny going to play next year? 100?? Then how many min is Dana gonna get? 25 to 30? Gary 20/25 Aidan 20/25 - Jordan 10/15 -- how many min is that--190 out of 200... and I haven't even mentioned Golson, BK or Young. Maybe my projected min is off a tad, depending on how practice goes-- but this team is loaded. Our top 7 is better than any team in MAAC. our top 8 is better and our top 9 is better
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Post by gosaints on Apr 17, 2020 18:35:54 GMT -5
Not sure what the staff was thinking here? Needs about another 20 pounds of muscle to compete and give us some help at the center position. Big jump from JUCCO and a vary bad Western Illinois team to help Siena with valuable minutes at the 5. Is he any better than Denzel? Arrington had 12 games where he scored at least 5 points - including two games in double digits. He had 7 games with 5 or more rebounds, including one 10 rebound game. Keep in mind the Summit League was higher rated than the MAAC last season, so it's not like he faced inferior competition. He's a proven scholarship level D1 player who gave his team at least what Sammy gave Siena - and he did so in a stronger league regardless of how bad his own team was. What does Denzel's resume look like in comparison? Our SOS last year was 237 and our season ending ranking was 151. Western Illinois SOS was 300 and they wound up ranked 334. We were 20 - 10, Western Illinois was 5-21 with 2 of those wins over NAIA teams. The MAAC (20) had a higher RPI than the Summit (22). Looks like he faced inferior competition to me. Hey hopefully the staff knows something we don't and found themselves a diamond in the rough!
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Post by Tony on Apr 17, 2020 18:42:55 GMT -5
One other point URI was about 65th ranked team last year, I get nothing is guaranteed but....Dana got 17.3 min a game on a real good A10 program- do you think he transferred 'down" to Siena to get same or less time? Carm is probably going to start his best 5 players next year-- and might be 5 guards- Don/Jalen/ Gary/Manny and Dana, and make no mistake about it, that's a solid starting 5, Aidan/Kyle Y/ Jordan will get time and probably be first 3 off bench - barring Golson or BK just wowing the staff once practice starts - team will be 2 deep at every position on the floor. We are going to have to play faster to take advantage of our speed, length and athleticism. Plus to keep guys happy- and that is a good problem to have - Kyle A is a solid addition- he is at least as good as Sammy and will play hard both ways all the time
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Post by gosaints on Apr 17, 2020 18:43:03 GMT -5
You guys are funny-- you can't have 13 stars on your roster. You need role players, legitimate D1 role players. You get a team with 13 guys who think they should be playing 20/30 min a game you are going to have a ton of transfers. The good coaches pick and choose their role players very carefully. Ask yourself how many min are Jalen, Don and Manny going to play next year? 100?? Then how many min is Dana gonna get? 25 to 30? Gary 20/25 Aidan 20/25 - Jordan 10/15 -- how many min is that--190 out of 200... and I haven't even mentioned Golson, BK or Young. Maybe my projected min is off a tad, depending on how practice goes-- but this team is loaded. Our top 7 is better than any team in MAAC. our top 8 is better and our top 9 is better Tony, who's our top 7 by position in your opinion?
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Post by Tony on Apr 17, 2020 18:45:54 GMT -5
You guys are funny-- you can't have 13 stars on your roster. You need role players, legitimate D1 role players. You get a team with 13 guys who think they should be playing 20/30 min a game you are going to have a ton of transfers. The good coaches pick and choose their role players very carefully. Ask yourself how many min are Jalen, Don and Manny going to play next year? 100?? Then how many min is Dana gonna get? 25 to 30? Gary 20/25 Aidan 20/25 - Jordan 10/15 -- how many min is that--190 out of 200... and I haven't even mentioned Golson, BK or Young. Maybe my projected min is off a tad, depending on how practice goes-- but this team is loaded. Our top 7 is better than any team in MAAC. our top 8 is better and our top 9 is better Tony, who's our top 7 in your opinion? Just told you our 5 best players are Don/Jalen/Manny/Gary/Dana-- Aidan Jordan and Kyle Y are probably next 3-- and that doesnt count possibility Golson or BK come in absolutely ready and force themselves into playing group
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Post by Tony on Apr 17, 2020 18:56:21 GMT -5
found themselves a diamond in the rough! I dont think the staff thinks they have a diamond- More likely they think they got a solid high character kid that gives us added depth at Center position. Kyle A wasn't brought in to play 30 min a game. He is insurance , he will help us early if Dana misses 1st semester, if we have a game where Dana or Kyle Y get into foul trouble we have a legitimate D1 big in the game. I dont see Kyle A playing more than 5-7 min a game unless we have foul trouble or injuries - that you know will eventually happen over course of full season
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 17, 2020 19:00:33 GMT -5
Tony, who's our top 7 in your opinion? Just told you our 5 best players are Don/Jalen/Manny/Gary/Dana-- Aidan Jordan and Kyle Y are probably next 3-- and that doesnt count possibility Golson or BK come in absolutely ready and force themselves into playing group If Dana is a plug and play for Burns we’re at least where we were last year. I never like relying on freshman. CG BK and AC all may be excellent players as the years progress and may even show promise during the season but counting on them to be difference makers or contributors never seems to pan out. For every freshman Pickett there’s 100 freshman that play like freshman. Really like to see another experienced athletic 4/5 come in, I still think the roster isn’t set. The big we got is ok if he cost us nothing this year. Hard to say how he fits until the roster is complete.
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Post by $cott on Apr 17, 2020 19:03:33 GMT -5
You guys are funny-- you can't have 13 stars on your roster. You need role players, legitimate D1 role players. You get a team with 13 guys who think they should be playing 20/30 min a game you are going to have a ton of transfers. The good coaches pick and choose their role players very carefully. Ask yourself how many min are Jalen, Don and Manny going to play next year? 100?? Then how many min is Dana gonna get? 25 to 30? Gary 20/25 Aidan 20/25 - Jordan 10/15 -- how many min is that--190 out of 200... and I haven't even mentioned Golson, BK or Young. Maybe my projected min is off a tad, depending on how practice goes-- but this team is loaded. Our top 7 is better than any team in MAAC. our top 8 is better and our top 9 is better I'm ok with it if he can play this year. I said earlier I would take a 5th year big with a pulse over reaching on a freshman who will eat up a scholarship for a couple years. But I don't get this at all if he has to sit out the year and we are tying up a scholarship for 2021-2022 on a guy who is maybe an upgrade over Sammy. I'd rather use that scholarship on an impact transfer that has to sit the year or have it in the bag for recruiting 2021 kids. I'm hoping that the reason he's coming is because Carm believes he can play this season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 19:29:25 GMT -5
One other point URI was about 65th ranked team last year, I get nothing is guaranteed but....Dana got 17.3 min a game on a real good A10 program- do you think he transferred 'down" to Siena to get same or less time? Carm is probably going to start his best 5 players next year-- and might be 5 guards- Don/Jalen/ Gary/Manny and Dana, and make no mistake about it, that's a solid starting 5, Aidan/Kyle Y/ Jordan will get time and probably be first 3 off bench - barring Golson or BK just wowing the staff once practice starts - team will be 2 deep at every position on the floor. We are going to have to play faster to take advantage of our speed, length and athleticism. Plus to keep guys happy- and that is a good problem to have - Kyle A is a solid addition- he is at least as good as Sammy and will play hard both ways all the time I know I’m higher on Carpenter overall but I’d like to see Harris go absolutely ape defensively now that he has more comfort in the system. That’s something we can really use from him. I think he should start but Carpenter should finish....kinda like King was finishing down the stretch this year..
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Post by hoopsforever on Apr 17, 2020 19:34:48 GMT -5
You guys are funny-- you can't have 13 stars on your roster. You need role players, legitimate D1 role players. You get a team with 13 guys who think they should be playing 20/30 min a game you are going to have a ton of transfers. The good coaches pick and choose their role players very carefully. Ask yourself how many min are Jalen, Don and Manny going to play next year? 100?? Then how many min is Dana gonna get? 25 to 30? Gary 20/25 Aidan 20/25 - Jordan 10/15 -- how many min is that--190 out of 200... and I haven't even mentioned Golson, BK or Young. Maybe my projected min is off a tad, depending on how practice goes-- but this team is loaded. Our top 7 is better than any team in MAAC. our top 8 is better and our top 9 is better Whoa, Tony! You are making way too much sense here! Thanks for the good points!
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Post by texasjack on Apr 18, 2020 2:44:15 GMT -5
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