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Post by gorvy on Dec 16, 2018 9:52:03 GMT -5
Sorry but I totally disagree. There are way too many teams in division one, that’s where they are trying to award everyone a trophy (look at me I’m division 1). They need to stop expanding and attrit back down to 300 like it used to be. Basketball does not pass the eye test anymore. Even if they are more athletic (debatable and I doubt it) the skills aren’t there. Scoring is down, shooting percentage is down, this is why you have all the insane rule changes. The real problem is the players aren’t as good overall, the coaches aren’t good and the refs aren’t good. About 1/6 of the talent in d1 are actually d2. If the ncaa was serious about improving the value of its product it would start the process of contraction. But as long as schools out there try to seek the glory (re: money) of d1 it won’t happen. It’s up to us to decide. It's all about the money. Look at some of the records of those 300+ coaches,bthey are getting paid for losing. Refs getting paid over $1000 for games. There is no way any realistic fan can think a low major can compete against the BCS schools. Time for a change. It happened quickly. Football only let's 4 teams compete for it's championship, the bowl games reward all others who had a good year. . Football is totally different than basketball it’s apples and oranges. It makes sense to limit the playoffs because the game takes too much of a toll on the athletes. You can only play so many games. Basketball you may many more games to separate the big guy from the little guy throughout the season, so there should be no need to exclude them from the tourney. Although my dream format would be to scrap automatic bids and the nit and instead take the top 128 teams by computer formula (no humans). Second best would be keep the nit but only the top 64 teams make the ncaa by computer formula.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 16, 2018 10:10:35 GMT -5
How would that change anything? Seems to me all that does is make the lower conferences artificially feel better - rather than being the 20th ranked conf overall, now they're the 3rd best conf in the minor leagues. Like the rest of the country, awards for everybody. I'm not surprised. That philosophy is very consistent with your non-competitive spirit. Instead, work on getting better. It also changes the whole idea of the NCAA tournament where the little guy can still play Cinderella, like S1971 says above. I say get rid of the PIG games in the tournament, but that's money. It's not horrible, but I never liked expanding past 64. Sorry but I totally disagree. There are way too many teams in division one, that’s where they are trying to award everyone a trophy (look at me I’m division 1). They need to stop expanding and attrit back down to 300 like it used to be. Basketball does not pass the eye test anymore. Even if they are more athletic (debatable and I doubt it) the skills aren’t there. Scoring is down, shooting percentage is down, this is why you have all the insane rule changes. The real problem is the players aren’t as good overall, the coaches aren’t good and the refs aren’t good. About 1/6 of the talent in d1 are actually d2. If the ncaa was serious about improving the value of its product it would start the process of contraction. But as long as schools out there try to seek the glory (re: money) of d1 it won’t happen. It’s up to us to decide. Again, different issue as to what I was dbating. As I said to the stirrer above, I don't deny there are too many team in D!. My only point was that the MAAC this year is taking a disproportional hit. Talent is diluted for EVERYBODY, but lower confs are passing us this year. Either a blip or we are doing something wrong as a conf.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 16, 2018 10:14:25 GMT -5
Yes - Awards for everybody! Who the hell cared about E Michigan-Ga Southern yesterday? You haven't explained how that helps anything. NOBODY will care about the minor league tournament except the mommies and daddies and diehards of those teams. And now the small conferences get pushed out of even a CHANCE on the big stage. But YAY! We got a ribbon! And are you proposing that MAAC teams would never get to play ACC/SEC teams? It makes sense to question why D1 expanded to 350+. That's why there was D2, but we don't need ANOTHER Division. Talk about watered down. Just helps the big get bigger and shit on the small conferences. But awards for everybody! YAY!!! They can still play those big boys. UA played Pitt this year and will play SU next season or year after. Trust me fans would show up and true fans love seeing their team play in a bowl game. Get rid of the conference tournament and have a national tournament for the mids and low majors. If you think this is a trophy for everyone mentally, you have no clue. Well, it's certainly a trophy for more. You want another national champion. There's already D2 & D3 for that. Veryt few will care about a mid-low major tournament and as I said you take the very CHANCE (and the monetary benefit) away. Bigs get bigger.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 16, 2018 10:17:11 GMT -5
It's all about the money. Look at some of the records of those 300+ coaches,bthey are getting paid for losing. Refs getting paid over $1000 for games. There is no way any realistic fan can think a low major can compete against the BCS schools. Time for a change. It happened quickly. Football only let's 4 teams compete for it's championship, the bowl games reward all others who had a good year. . Football is totally different than basketball it’s apples and oranges. It makes sense to limit the playoffs because the game takes too much of a toll on the athletes. You can only play so many games. Basketball you may many more games to separate the big guy from the little guy throughout the season, so there should be no need to exclude them from the tourney. Although my dream format would be to scrap automatic bids and the nit and instead take the top 128 teams by computer formula (no humans). Second best would be keep the nit but only the top 64 teams make the ncaa by computer formula. I like your last statement best, but I don't see the conf tournaments going away. $$$ again.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 16, 2018 10:34:46 GMT -5
. Football is totally different than basketball it’s apples and oranges. It makes sense to limit the playoffs because the game takes too much of a toll on the athletes. You can only play so many games. Basketball you may many more games to separate the big guy from the little guy throughout the season, so there should be no need to exclude them from the tourney. Although my dream format would be to scrap automatic bids and the nit and instead take the top 128 teams by computer formula (no humans). Second best would be keep the nit but only the top 64 teams make the ncaa by computer formula. I like your last statement best, but I don't see the conf tournaments going away. $$$ again. I agree although the conference tournaments wouldn’t have to go away just not lead to bids. Just a dream, won’t happen.
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Post by diamonddog on Dec 16, 2018 20:16:33 GMT -5
Sunday November 16th
Overall: 32-72 (2-2)
Winners:
Canisius beats Elon at Elon by 1 point
Niagara beats Cornell at Niagara by 3 points
Losers:
Fairfield loses to Boston College by 10 points at Boston College
Quinnipac loses to Drexel by 9 points at Mohegan Sun
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NOTE: Monday's game, Rider @ Washington State, will be reported on Tuesday morning...late start
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Post by diamonddog on Dec 18, 2018 5:18:13 GMT -5
Monday December 17th
Overall: 32-73
Loser:
Rider loses to Washington State by 14 at Washington State
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Post by gorvy on Dec 18, 2018 7:03:59 GMT -5
Another guarantee game.
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Post by $cott on Dec 18, 2018 9:40:58 GMT -5
Except not even a good one, if Rider wanted to be anything but a play in game team this year with a championship then this was a game they needed to win, not a game to lose by 14.
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Post by Papi on Dec 18, 2018 9:51:30 GMT -5
Except not even a good one, if Rider wanted to be anything but a play in game team this year with a championship then this was a game they needed to win, not a game to lose by 14. Even if they aren't in the play in game still a 16. They will avoid Duke if they stay out of the play in game. I'm afraid we won't see a MAAC team win a NCAA tournament game unless it's a PIG game in Dayton for a long long time.
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Post by $cott on Dec 18, 2018 10:07:28 GMT -5
Except not even a good one, if Rider wanted to be anything but a play in game team this year with a championship then this was a game they needed to win, not a game to lose by 14. Even if they aren't in the play in game still a 16. They will avoid Duke if they stay out of the play in game. I'm afraid we won't see a MAAC team win a NCAA tournament game unless it's a PIG game in Dayton for a long long time. Being a 16 seed not in the play in game is definitely worse. At least winning PIG gets your conference money. MAAC should bounce back, is still a more attractive conference to recruits than the America East and Northeast despite the down year. CAA was the #9 conference in 2011 and dropped all the way to #22 in 2013, they bounced back.
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Post by Papi on Dec 18, 2018 10:34:07 GMT -5
Even if they aren't in the play in game still a 16. They will avoid Duke if they stay out of the play in game. I'm afraid we won't see a MAAC team win a NCAA tournament game unless it's a PIG game in Dayton for a long long time. Being a 16 seed not in the play in game is definitely worse. At least winning PIG gets your conference money. MAAC should bounce back, is still a more attractive conference to recruits than the America East and Northeast despite the down year. CAA was the #9 conference in 2011 and dropped all the way to #22 in 2013, they bounced back. Big difference it you bottom out at 22.
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2018 12:47:36 GMT -5
MAAC will be fine—maybe some of you stat guys know—how many times the MAAC has had Siena/Iona and Manhattan all stinking at same time. Siena will be back as soon as next year, Mas should be getting boot in Manhattan soon and this is really Cluless first down year. I believe Iona has vast majority of their players back next year. Same with Rider- other than Marist and Niagara – not sure how many senior dominated teams in MAAC. If MAAC is in 30’s two or three years in a row—then you have problems. But even then what can you do about it? This year a down MAAC helps the Saints- sign me up right now for a 16 seed and 1st round match up with Duke
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Post by MTS on Dec 18, 2018 13:03:32 GMT -5
MAAC will be fine—maybe some of you stat guys know—how many times the MAAC has had Siena/Iona and Manhattan all stinking at same time. Siena will be back as soon as next year, Mas should be getting boot in Manhattan soon and this is really Cluless first down year. I believe Iona has vast majority of their players back next year. Same with Rider- other than Marist and Niagara – not sure how many senior dominated teams in MAAC. If MAAC is in 30’s two or three years in a row—then you have problems. But even then what can you do about it? This year a down MAAC helps the Saints- sign me up right now for a 16 seed and 1st round match up with Duke Pickett can stick it to Zion...love to see it
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Post by diamonddog on Dec 18, 2018 20:46:50 GMT -5
Tuesday December 18th
Overall: 32-74 (0-1)
See Siena Thread on College of Charleston
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