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Post by diamonddog on Oct 1, 2018 17:15:54 GMT -5
Really bummed to hear this news...but I wish him the best.
Guess Christian really wants a 3 pointer offense huh?
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Post by jong10 on Oct 1, 2018 17:22:06 GMT -5
I'm shocked given the timing of this. Don't often see a guy transferring out AFTER practice has started. Wish for the sake of both sides they had realized it wasn't going to work sooner. The change in style of play from previous years is going to be massive. Wish Shivers well wherever he lands. we heard this back when Kevin H. signed with Atlanta...I do believe it's been in the works for quite a while. If you check the team pics and even social media posts, some had him, some didn't. If that's the case (and I don't doubt that it is), have to think that the addition of Jimmy Ratliff in late August as a "walk-on" wasn't a coincidence. Either way, Coach is definitely amassing players that fit his system, all of which bodes well for the immediate and long-term future of the program. |
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Post by bigfan on Oct 1, 2018 18:07:13 GMT -5
I hope Ahsante finds a landing spot that is good for him. Tough player - he's made some big shots in his time here, but I had been wondering how he would fit in the mayhem style. It seems "they" decided it wasn't such a good fit, after all. Timing is a bit odd.
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Post by knicksaint on Oct 1, 2018 19:33:38 GMT -5
Can Jimmy Ratliff play this year? As of about four weeks ago, staff was waiting on an answer from the NCAA. |
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Post by yankee on Oct 2, 2018 19:30:48 GMT -5
Some JC quotes on Shivers' departure: If I was a Siena fan, that quote from Christian is odd. A player who is dynamic with the ball doesn't fit his system? |
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Post by MTS on Oct 2, 2018 19:41:38 GMT -5
Some JC quotes on Shivers' departure: If I was a Siena fan, that quote from Christian is odd. A player who is dynamic with the ball doesn't fit his system? Just coachspeak. |
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Post by Quackman on Oct 2, 2018 19:50:53 GMT -5
If I was a Siena fan, that quote from Christian is odd. A player who is dynamic with the ball doesn't fit his system? Just coachspeak. No, he’s saying that shivers was better with the ball in his hands while the new system revolves around rapid ball movement to create open looks. |
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 2, 2018 20:00:46 GMT -5
No, he’s saying that shivers was better with the ball in his hands while the new system revolves around rapid ball movement to create open looks. Yes, I agree with this. I don’t think we’re going to be seeing a lot of dribbling (at least no where near as much as past few years). |
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Post by yankee on Oct 2, 2018 21:15:33 GMT -5
No, he’s saying that shivers was better with the ball in his hands while the new system revolves around rapid ball movement to create open looks. Yes, I agree with this. I don’t think we’re going to be seeing a lot of dribbling (at least no where near as much as past few years). Well, I think he could have said that better. If a coach is turning down "dynamic ballhandlers who can do alot of things", because that doesn't fit his system, that is just goofy. |
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Post by SIENA1971 on Oct 3, 2018 6:00:21 GMT -5
Shivers has had two months to assess JC’s style of play and new team members ... he did the math and it didn’t add up to the minutes he was expecting this season ... no shame in leaving w a coaching change & he didn’t bail on day one
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 3, 2018 7:56:49 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with this. I don’t think we’re going to be seeing a lot of dribbling (at least no where near as much as past few years). Well, I think he could have said that better. If a coach is turning down "dynamic ballhandlers who can do alot of things", because that doesn't fit his system, that is just goofy. That’s nothing more than a case of a coach trying to say all the “right” things. Shivers saw playing time was going to be significantly limited and decided to move on... |
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Post by $cott on Oct 3, 2018 9:09:54 GMT -5
Some JC quotes on Shivers' departure: If I was a Siena fan, that quote from Christian is odd. A player who is dynamic with the ball doesn't fit his system? Polite way of saying ball hog. |
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Post by Sienafan on Oct 3, 2018 9:39:17 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with this. I don’t think we’re going to be seeing a lot of dribbling (at least no where near as much as past few years). Well, I think he could have said that better. If a coach is turning down "dynamic ballhandlers who can do alot of things", because that doesn't fit his system, that is just goofy. What did you expect him to say, that he sucks and can't run the new system? Of course he's going to note the positive. Note what he didn't say - that he's quick and can shoot. That's what he needs more to run Mayhem. A dynamic ball-handler that shoots 30% from three on a good day and isn't particularly quick isn't going to cut it. If I had to take a guess, it probably wasn't Shivers' skill set that was the biggest incompatibility. I'm betting the issue was he didn't buy into the conditioning regimen and was sucking wind in practice. That's the surefire way to be run off a JC team. It likely wasn't evident until practice started, hence the late withdrawal. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 3, 2018 9:56:13 GMT -5
This coach wants all of his perimeter players to be really good 3pt shooters, that move the ball. This isn't Shivers.
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Post by saints22 on Oct 3, 2018 12:29:27 GMT -5
This coach wants all of his perimeter players to be really good 3pt shooters, that move the ball. This isn't Shivers. Much more this than ".....he didn't buy into the conditioning regimen and was sucking wind in practice". I don't buy that at all. |
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