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Post by great10110 on Sept 3, 2018 8:22:35 GMT -5
That's the cost of playing in a big time arena. Pay to park and $9 for a beer. It's tough but the only other option is going back to the ARC. I think it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part. Especially since the AHL team departed, Siena hoop is the absolute key tenant to keep the arena going in the wintertime. The school could use that leverage to much better advantage, including somewhat lighter pricing and a higher cut of the revenue. (Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.) Parking and food rates are set by the TU center/Aramark. Siena is just an organizer of an event. They have no say in the price of food, drinks and parking. They pay an annual fee for the rights to the building and security team and then Siena has to sell tickets make up the difference. Included in the price of the ticket is a fee the arena takes as well. ARC isn’t an option. Way to small and not enough parking. Only real chance Siena had was to build an 6500 seat facility across the street from campus when they purchased the old state police barricks. Instead they turned them into academic buildings which allowed them to introduce a grad program. Double edged sword
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Post by SIENA1971 on Sept 3, 2018 8:54:29 GMT -5
I think it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part. Especially since the AHL team departed, Siena hoop is the absolute key tenant to keep the arena going in the wintertime. The school could use that leverage to much better advantage, including somewhat lighter pricing and a higher cut of the revenue. (Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.) Parking and food rates are set by the TU center/Aramark. Siena is just an organizer of an event. They have no say in the price of food, drinks and parking. They pay an annual fee for the rights to the building and security team and then Siena has to sell tickets make up the difference. Included in the price of the ticket is a fee the arena takes as well. ARC isn’t an option. Way to small and not enough parking. Only real chance Siena had was to build an 6500 seat facility across the street from campus when they purchased the old state police barricks. Instead they turned them into academic buildings which allowed them to introduce a grad program. Double edged sword This topic has been rehashed many times over the years....siena has no interest in getting into the arena management business nor is there any chance Town of Colonie would approve it being built on a two lane road that is already congested ... mansions on R9 have successfully fought widening of road for years
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Post by texasjack on Sept 3, 2018 9:37:54 GMT -5
One action to get more fans into the stands is to have the parking garages lower their parking price to no more that $5 max. A second action is have the Time Union Center lower their prices on food and drinks. Try to bring kids to games and pay for a couple meals. I know that these things should be negotiated with the Times Union Center, but it is better than empty seats. They are charging New York City prices in little old Albany. How about this idea for increasing home attendance..... improve the home schedule. For a period of about 15 years, starting in the 1990s, Siena hosted teams like Pitt, Texas A & M, Providence, Xavier, Villanova, Syracuse, Stanford, U Mass, Ga Tech, Butler, St. Joe’s, etc. We haven’ seen teams like that in Albany since Fran left.
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Post by diamonddog on Sept 3, 2018 10:01:23 GMT -5
I think it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part. Especially since the AHL team departed, Siena hoop is the absolute key tenant to keep the arena going in the wintertime. The school could use that leverage to much better advantage, including somewhat lighter pricing and a higher cut of the revenue. (Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.) Parking and food rates are set by the TU center/Aramark. Siena is just an organizer of an event. They have no say in the price of food, drinks and parking. They pay an annual fee for the rights to the building and security team and then Siena has to sell tickets make up the difference. Included in the price of the ticket is a fee the arena takes as well. ARC isn’t an option. Way to small and not enough parking. Only real chance Siena had was to build an 6500 seat facility across the street from campus when they purchased the old state police barricks. Instead they turned them into academic buildings which allowed them to introduce a grad program. Double edged sword The concession prices are getting ridiculous- almost Yankee Stadium prices for food and drink. Shameful.
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Post by indian82 on Sept 3, 2018 10:02:06 GMT -5
One action to get more fans into the stands is to have the parking garages lower their parking price to no more that $5 max. A second action is have the Time Union Center lower their prices on food and drinks. Try to bring kids to games and pay for a couple meals. I know that these things should be negotiated with the Times Union Center, but it is better than empty seats. They are charging New York City prices in little old Albany. How about this idea for increasing home attendance..... improve the home schedule. For a period of about 15 years, starting in the 1990s, Siena hosted teams like Pitt, Texas A & M, Providence, Xavier, Villanova, Syracuse, Stanford, U Mass, Ga Tech, Butler, St. Joe’s, etc. We haven’ seen teams like that in Albany since Fran left. Got to get on a winning track first and be able to at least compete with teams like that. Give Jamion a little time to get there. Then we can hold his feet to the fire on a home schedule approaching those teams. And, it seems like the environment these days is much harder to get P5 teams like you mentioned to a mid-major like us. Not that its impossible, but a lot harder. What's their incentive. Maybe a 2 for 1?
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Post by rpize24 on Sept 3, 2018 10:08:38 GMT -5
How about this idea for increasing home attendance..... improve the home schedule. For a period of about 15 years, starting in the 1990s, Siena hosted teams like Pitt, Texas A & M, Providence, Xavier, Villanova, Syracuse, Stanford, U Mass, Ga Tech, Butler, St. Joe’s, etc. We haven’ seen teams like that in Albany since Fran left. Got to get on a winning track first and be able to at least compete with teams like that. Give Jamion a little time to get there. Then we can hold his feet to the fire on a home schedule approaching those teams. And, it seems like the environment these days is much harder to get P5 teams like you mentioned to a mid-major like us. Not that its impossible, but a lot harder. What's their incentive. Maybe a 2 for 1? Obviously dependent on the school but I don't believe a 2 for 1 would be unattainable. Fairfield is starting a 2 for 1 with BC and the stags will be hosting next year. Obviously we'd like to see the P5 schools visit the TUC but where the program is at right now we should be aiming for quality mid majors and getting a home game with Harvard is certainly a good start
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Post by goldsaint17 on Sept 3, 2018 10:43:26 GMT -5
Got to get on a winning track first and be able to at least compete with teams like that. Give Jamion a little time to get there. Then we can hold his feet to the fire on a home schedule approaching those teams. And, it seems like the environment these days is much harder to get P5 teams like you mentioned to a mid-major like us. Not that its impossible, but a lot harder. What's their incentive. Maybe a 2 for 1? Obviously dependent on the school but I don't believe a 2 for 1 would be unattainable. Fairfield is starting a 2 for 1 with BC and the stags will be hosting next year. Obviously we'd like to see the P5 schools visit the TUC but where the program is at right now we should be aiming for quality mid majors and getting a home game with Harvard is certainly a good start Even 2 for 1 is tough. BC is more apt to do 2 for 1 instead of buy games because they don’t have very good attendance (thus, a 80-100k payout for a game is less worthwhile). Very few 2 for 1’s get offered, and it’s a bad business decision to take a 3 for 1 when you can get 100k for a 1-off. Only team I realistically see Siena accepting a 3 for 1 from would be Cuse because it would be a guaranteed sellout. Mid majors just don’t get the chances they used to. TV money gives high-majors the ability to buy their entire non-conference schedule. It’s a systemic problem in CBB.
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Post by saints22 on Sept 4, 2018 12:49:56 GMT -5
That's the cost of playing in a big time arena. Pay to park and $9 for a beer. It's tough but the only other option is going back to the ARC. I think it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part. Especially since the AHL team departed, Siena hoop is the absolute key tenant to keep the arena going in the wintertime. The school could use that leverage to much better advantage, including somewhat lighter pricing and a higher cut of the revenue. (Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.) Wow. "(Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.)", but that doesn't stop you from concluding that "......it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part". That's some leap! Personally, I think the school admins do a very good job of negotiating with the TUC. There are just certain things over which they have no control. And for the poster who thinks we are paying NYC prices for the incidentals attendant to going to Siena games at the TUC, I have to assume you haven't been to NYC or any other major metro area recently.
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Post by gorvy on Sept 4, 2018 16:41:15 GMT -5
Or Saratoga
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Post by diamonddog on Sept 4, 2018 16:46:40 GMT -5
I think it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part. Especially since the AHL team departed, Siena hoop is the absolute key tenant to keep the arena going in the wintertime. The school could use that leverage to much better advantage, including somewhat lighter pricing and a higher cut of the revenue. (Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.) Wow. "(Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.)", but that doesn't stop you from concluding that "......it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part". That's some leap! Personally, I think the school admins do a very good job of negotiating with the TUC. There are just certain things over which they have no control. And for the poster who thinks we are paying NYC prices for the incidentals attendant to going to Siena games at the TUC, I have to assume you haven't been to NYC or any other major metro area recently. Trust me, I've been to MSG recently but not Yankee Stadium- concessions are getting out of control. At least I eat outside at Sapienzas before I see a game.
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Post by siena77 on Sept 4, 2018 19:00:45 GMT -5
I think it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part. Especially since the AHL team departed, Siena hoop is the absolute key tenant to keep the arena going in the wintertime. The school could use that leverage to much better advantage, including somewhat lighter pricing and a higher cut of the revenue. (Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.) Wow. "(Admittedly, I have no knowledge of what the present arrangements are.)", but that doesn't stop you from concluding that "......it's as much the result of bad negotiations on Siena's part". That's some leap! Personally, I think the school admins do a very good job of negotiating with the TUC. There are just certain things over which they have no control. And for the poster who thinks we are paying NYC prices for the incidentals attendant to going to Siena games at the TUC, I have to assume you haven't been to NYC or any other major metro area recently. What exactly do you want to point to that shows "the school admins do a very good job of negotiating with the TUC"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 5:28:59 GMT -5
MM OOC scheduling of home games has always been a challenge. Winning helps but out of balance winning in an otherwise low ranked conference does not - the big boys risk too much. In the past we've gotten some big name teams into the TUC with the help of the old NIT and the now defunct Bracket Buster round of late season games. Two for 1's work but can lead to a very unbalanced H-A OOC schedule. We need to get back to consistent winning independent of the on again off again strength of the overall MAAC.
As to the "pricing" - Siena does not, to my knowledge, have any levers re the pricing the individual vendors set for their goods. The idea of having prices lowered and our cut (which is currently zero BTW) raised doesn't warrant any further comment. The best food/beer/ice cream "negotiators" are the FANS! If you keep buying at the prices you decry why would any vendor lower their prices - the lines are long enough...
Siena does negotiate a lower parking rate for the arena's garage which they make available to season ticket holders as either a $0 perk or at a reduced rate. I'm guessing the arena has zero leverage regarding off-site parking in other garages.
Don't overlook the fact that the MAAC controls half of our home schedule and the only thing left that Siena can negotiate for those games is start times. We are not the only "act" at this venue and the TUC bends over backwards re working in our OOC home games - there are way more fans of other entertainment forms that want to see their favorites at the arena. We've only been impacted adversely by the TUC's "other" schedules once to my recollection - the Ricky Martin concert that put us in Happy Valley for a game that, on any other court, would have been a Siena W.
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Post by IndianSaint on Sept 8, 2018 11:44:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately I think it will take a hit this year. Bandwagon fans aren't going to show unless they are winning,this year will be a tough year as far as wins piling up which draws the bandwagon fans out. Plus the home schedule stinks. $5 tickets may help get fannies in the seats this year.Smallbany loves a bargain. I’m not so sure about attendance taking a hit. I know the attendance figures appear to be paid/donated ticket numbers; but I would bet we actually have more fans in actual attendance this year over last year. There’s been at least 20 prior season ticket holders that gave up their tickets the last couple years who’ve already signed up and bought tickets for this year. With all the positive buzz around the area, I’d be willing to bet overall avg attendance (paid/counted) will be higher than last year. All I know, is that with all the positive vibes for the new coach and the Siena program, my job on this board of trying to stick up for my favorite team in spite of all the negativity has been reduced (basically eliminated). Ah, it’s great when there’s more positive comments as opposed the the negative ones. I don’t feel out numbered anymore and I’m back in the majority (of happy fans) as opposed to being left on an almost deserted island.
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Post by gorvy on Sept 8, 2018 14:22:50 GMT -5
Even if attendance doesn’t increase, the die hards are probably going to upgrade or at least show up.
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Post by Papi on Sept 25, 2018 19:52:25 GMT -5
I read today on Maac board over the last 25 years Siena is 390-389, could that really be possible? If true the attendance numbers are even more impressive and fan expections are way out of wack.
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