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Post by Quackman on May 28, 2018 8:46:05 GMT -5
Seymour did not receive "high major offers at one point" - he had "high major INTEREST" only. The INTEREST was in large part due to relationships with his dad and seems to have disappeared as quickly at it appeared. It sounds like he could be a major challenge for JC; but maybe, just maybe a new HC, coupled with an exciting type of play and teammates who are hoping to collectively lift themselves off the mat, he (Seymour) will be stimulated to produce different than anticipated results. If the kid is really a square peg in a round hole, the summer conditioning program may round some corners and change some attitudes - we shall see, at least we are entering a new season with hope and some promise. Well, Seymour had offers from Pitt, St Johns, UMass and South Florida as reported on twitter by multiple sources. Also, took unofficial visits to umass, Rutgers and South Florida. Took me about 30 seconds to find them on Twitter if you want to check.
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Post by hockeyguy on May 28, 2018 9:53:26 GMT -5
SF, coach did not say he wouldn't tie up scholarships on kids that can't help the team, he said he was okay with keeping one or two scholarships open in one quote, and in another he said we won't take players just to take player, we can get ELITE talent, this is Siena. So far I have not seen that. That's all I was saying. I SUPPORT THE COACH. As for talented players transferring, if I believe the guru's on this board kids pick a program for the coach, so what's the deal with JC? Do they or don't they? How say you "experts"? I think it's pretty obvious that I was paraphrasing what he meant and didn't supply the exact quote. For someone who supposedly supports the coach, you sure have an odd way to of showing it. The dude was hired in May. I'm not sure what ELITE talent you were expecting at that late date. I think the pickups he achieved in such a sort time was frame are pretty good under the circumstances - a context that seems to elude you. You would have been one of the the meatballs complaining about Kenny Hasbrouck, who was recruited under similar circumstances. He wasn't exactly in high demand at the time of his commitment. What would you do...leave all 4 scholarships open while you hold out for blue chip recruits and proceed with only 9 scholarship players next season? Then when the inevitable injury bug hits you'd be killing JC for not adding more players. I guess with fans such as yourself you're dammed if you do, damned if you don't. SF, No, it was not at all obvious, but why stick to the facts of the quotes? I was honestly neither one way nor the other on Kenny but Fran obviously made a good call. As for 9 scholarship players, I believe Mitch had 7 his first year and it turned out to be his best showing. We have seen too much of Jimmy and Mitch saying they will do "x" and then turn around and do "Y". So far, we are still on that path for whatever reason. I very clearly said at the end of my original post that I would have approached things differently but I am not the coach, he is. And yes I DO support the coach,I hope he turns out to be Paul Hewitt II with his emphasis on conditioning and speed, but I can still express my opinion can't I?
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Post by Sienafan on May 28, 2018 12:04:26 GMT -5
Seymour did not receive "high major offers at one point" - he had "high major INTEREST" only. The INTEREST was in large part due to relationships with his dad and seems to have disappeared as quickly at it appeared. It sounds like he could be a major challenge for JC; but maybe, just maybe a new HC, coupled with an exciting type of play and teammates who are hoping to collectively lift themselves off the mat, he (Seymour) will be stimulated to produce different than anticipated results. If the kid is really a square peg in a round hole, the summer conditioning program may round some corners and change some attitudes - we shall see, at least we are entering a new season with hope and some promise. Wrong - about something so easy to confirm before you posted no less. Seymour had confirmed high-major offers. But don't take my word for it: www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/7/24/16018312/st-johns-red-storm-basketball-2018-sloan-seymour
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Post by rpize24 on May 28, 2018 12:25:00 GMT -5
Seymour did not receive "high major offers at one point" - he had "high major INTEREST" only. The INTEREST was in large part due to relationships with his dad and seems to have disappeared as quickly at it appeared. It sounds like he could be a major challenge for JC; but maybe, just maybe a new HC, coupled with an exciting type of play and teammates who are hoping to collectively lift themselves off the mat, he (Seymour) will be stimulated to produce different than anticipated results. If the kid is really a square peg in a round hole, the summer conditioning program may round some corners and change some attitudes - we shall see, at least we are entering a new season with hope and some promise. Not exactly sure where you were seeing that but here's the list of offers he had from Verbal Commits: www.verbalcommits.com/players/sloan-seymour
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 14:09:42 GMT -5
Well I guess there is truth to the old adage - believe only half of what you read and nothing that you hear. My bad - but then, I don't invest much time in looking at potential recruits - so many of them arrive after being declared all-world before Siena only to find out that the coach that recruited them sees them as projects once the don the Green & Gold. OBTW, I think Twitter ranks just a wee bit above Wikipedia on the credibility scale. As to Mr. Seymour, I am now much more optimistic that we have landed a verified blue chipper...
Bummer - just realized that if a few more of you had quoted me, I would have been eligible for entry into Bartlett's Quotations, LOL!
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Post by musicman on May 28, 2018 14:42:44 GMT -5
SF, coach did not say he wouldn't tie up scholarships on kids that can't help the team, he said he was okay with keeping one or two scholarships open in one quote, and in another he said we won't take players just to take player, we can get ELITE talent, this is Siena. So far I have not seen that. That's all I was saying. I SUPPORT THE COACH. As for talented players transferring, if I believe the guru's on this board kids pick a program for the coach, so what's the deal with JC? Do they or don't they? How say you "experts"? I think it's pretty obvious that I was paraphrasing what he meant and didn't supply the exact quote. For someone who supposedly supports the coach, you sure have an odd way to of showing it. The dude was hired in May. I'm not sure what ELITE talent you were expecting at that late date. I think the pickups he achieved in such a sort time was frame are pretty good under the circumstances - a context that seems to elude you. You would have been one of the the meatballs complaining about Kenny Hasbrouck, who was recruited under similar circumstances. He wasn't exactly in high demand at the time of his commitment. What would you do...leave all 4 scholarships open while you hold out for blue chip recruits and proceed with only 9 scholarship players next season? Then when the inevitable injury bug hits you'd be killing JC for not adding more players. I guess with fans such as yourself you're dammed if you do, damned if you don't. You won't win an argument with this guy. If necessary to keep talking or should I say arguing , he waffles back and forth. I can't figure out if this "fan" actually is one and he just likes being argumentative or he should be classified in the "troll" category with "you know who"!
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Post by OneIndian on May 28, 2018 15:32:21 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious that I was paraphrasing what he meant and didn't supply the exact quote. For someone who supposedly supports the coach, you sure have an odd way to of showing it. The dude was hired in May. I'm not sure what ELITE talent you were expecting at that late date. I think the pickups he achieved in such a sort time was frame are pretty good under the circumstances - a context that seems to elude you. You would have been one of the the meatballs complaining about Kenny Hasbrouck, who was recruited under similar circumstances. He wasn't exactly in high demand at the time of his commitment. What would you do...leave all 4 scholarships open while you hold out for blue chip recruits and proceed with only 9 scholarship players next season? Then when the inevitable injury bug hits you'd be killing JC for not adding more players. I guess with fans such as yourself you're dammed if you do, damned if you don't. SF, No, it was not at all obvious, but why stick to the facts of the quotes? I was honestly neither one way nor the other on Kenny but Fran obviously made a good call. As for 9 scholarship players, I believe Mitch had 7 his first year and it turned out to be his best showing. We have seen too much of Jimmy and Mitch saying they will do "x" and then turn around and do "Y". So far, we are still on that path for whatever reason. I very clearly said at the end of my original post that I would have approached things differently but I am not the coach, he is. And yes I DO support the coach,I hope he turns out to be Paul Hewitt II with his emphasis on conditioning and speed, but I can still express my opinion can't I? Lmao, on what path? It’s been about a month, staff hasn’t been announced, roster isn’t set and no one has stepped foot on the floor. Give me a break. At least give it a season and give the guy a couple of recruiting classes before you proclaim we’re on the Mitch/Jimbo turnpike to nowheresville!
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Post by SaintsFan on May 29, 2018 5:49:09 GMT -5
SF, No, it was not at all obvious, but why stick to the facts of the quotes? I was honestly neither one way nor the other on Kenny but Fran obviously made a good call. As for 9 scholarship players, I believe Mitch had 7 his first year and it turned out to be his best showing. We have seen too much of Jimmy and Mitch saying they will do "x" and then turn around and do "Y". So far, we are still on that path for whatever reason. I very clearly said at the end of my original post that I would have approached things differently but I am not the coach, he is. And yes I DO support the coach,I hope he turns out to be Paul Hewitt II with his emphasis on conditioning and speed, but I can still express my opinion can't I? Lmao, on what path? It’s been about a month, staff hasn’t been announced, roster isn’t set and no one has stepped foot on the floor. Give me a break. At least give it a season and give the guy a couple of recruiting classes before you proclaim we’re on the Mitch/Jimbo turnpike to nowheresville! first steps in getting your feet under you as the new coaching job is A) Roster and B) Staff. I am all for the roster turnover. Ive been saying for years that the quality of recruit had plummeted and sorry but the tough pill for everyone to swallow is that there were a number of players on the roster getting a free ride here at Siena that should NEVER EVER have made it to this level. As the roster sorts itself out and the empty slots are filled with players that a) want to be here and b) belong at this level... the future will be bright. I expect a better record next year than this year's. I expect the recruiting level to continue to improve. I expect a level of professionalism by those collecting the big checks.
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Post by musicman on May 29, 2018 10:05:06 GMT -5
Lmao, on what path? It’s been about a month, staff hasn’t been announced, roster isn’t set and no one has stepped foot on the floor. Give me a break. At least give it a season and give the guy a couple of recruiting classes before you proclaim we’re on the Mitch/Jimbo turnpike to nowheresville! first steps in getting your feet under you as the new coaching job is A) Roster and B) Staff. I am all for the roster turnover. Ive been saying for years that the quality of recruit had plummeted and sorry but the tough pill for everyone to swallow is that there were a number of players on the roster getting a free ride here at Siena that should NEVER EVER have made it to this level. As the roster sorts itself out and the empty slots are filled with players that a) want to be here and b) belong at this level... the future will be bright. I expect a better record next year than this year's. I expect the recruiting level to continue to improve. I expect a level of professionalism by those collecting the big checks. Sounds like a plan! Our job is to support the team, the coaches and the school. Fill the arena with 6 or 7 thousand fans like we have in the past and make it easier to sell the Saints experience to high level recruits. Only the most cynical or pessimistic fans would have cause to not be excited about this NEW era of Siena basketball. We have a coach that players respect. He has a proven track record. He has done more in 2 or 3 weeks then most of us would have thought possible.
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Post by Quackman on May 29, 2018 12:47:43 GMT -5
first steps in getting your feet under you as the new coaching job is A) Roster and B) Staff. I am all for the roster turnover. Ive been saying for years that the quality of recruit had plummeted and sorry but the tough pill for everyone to swallow is that there were a number of players on the roster getting a free ride here at Siena that should NEVER EVER have made it to this level. As the roster sorts itself out and the empty slots are filled with players that a) want to be here and b) belong at this level... the future will be bright. I expect a better record next year than this year's. I expect the recruiting level to continue to improve. I expect a level of professionalism by those collecting the big checks. Sounds like a plan! Our job is to support the team, the coaches and the school. Fill the arena with 6 or 7 thousand fans like we have in the past and make it easier to sell the Saints experience to high level recruits. Only the most cynical or pessimistic fans would have cause to not be excited about this NEW era of Siena basketball. We have a coach that players respect. He has a proven track record. He has done more in 2 or 3 weeks then most of us would have thought possible. Plus he got married and went on a 10 day honeymoon. I like all 3 signees thus far: a late bloomer that was starting to get attention, a local kid with a plus skill (shooting) and major interest. Hope he turns out to be a difference maker, it was a risk worth taking. And a transfer that was expected to break out in 2018/2019. All 3 meet needs. Still hoping that the Ukrainian kid signs on.
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Post by hockeyguy on May 29, 2018 16:48:09 GMT -5
Nola, I agree Zdor could be a major hole filler and having him this year could be huge, both for him and the Saints. After graduation next spring, the frontline is Sammy and Seymour. You can bring in a freshman, but if he is not big 5 talent, next year might be a little shakey. Yes Mr. Music Maker, you can question my loyalty to this team because that sounds critical, it won't ruin my day, nor will your very limited impression of me. I'll send you a note privately soon, maybe that will give you a different point of view.
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Post by billmurray on May 30, 2018 10:23:59 GMT -5
As always I’ll choose to be optimistic. I believe as a head coach Christian was never under .500 in conference. That said that is my minimum expectation for next season. He may need another piece or two for next year but if he holds scholarships until next year my expectations won’t change. Get the players in shape and in sync and play the games and surprise the opposition and naysayers.
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