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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 20:20:14 GMT -5
He may work out. He's young, likely charismatic, and forces a lot of turnovers. There's room to grow. The accomplishments you mentioned mean very little in the NEC. Tom Moore was similar in the NEC. He came to the MAAC and got fired. I'm just saying though. People are calling him uptempo, but the facts are that he's played slower than we have so far in his career. Tom Moore was not similar in the NEC. He never got his teams to the NCAA tournament. Christian did it twice in 6 attempts. And Moore's recruiting was nowhere near in the same league as what Christian has brought in (albiet subsequently lost to transfer). Great he had a couple good NEC tourney runs (one in a losing season). That's certainly a plus. But, they most certainly are comparable. Tom Moore NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 70-38 (64.8%) Jamion C. NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 67-39 (63.2%) Ousmane Drame, Zaid Hearst, Ike Azotam weren't good NEC recruits? You're stupid. He got them in the NEC and they were ALL-MAAC.
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Post by orange77 on May 1, 2018 20:21:17 GMT -5
Plenty of scholarships available. Who has confirmed that they are leaving, other than Smithen?
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Post by OneIndian on May 1, 2018 20:21:54 GMT -5
I'm thinking last season was an outlier due to roster issues that as a result brought down that average. He's known for his mayhem system, which is derived from Shaka Smart's havoc system. So playing fast is indeed his thing normally. It was an outlier but still, he's all over the place. Tempo: Christian = 325, 245, 145, 276, 39, 107 Patsos = 298, 143, 82, 90, 175 What did I tell ya’ stats flying less than a few hours after you said you were losing interest.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 20:23:57 GMT -5
It was an outlier but still, he's all over the place. Tempo: Christian = 325, 245, 145, 276, 39, 107 Patsos = 298, 143, 82, 90, 175 What did I tell ya’ stats flying less than a few hours after you said you were losing interest. Quiet.
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Post by th24 on May 1, 2018 20:24:31 GMT -5
Siena needs some solid A10 or “potential” Big East recruits. But they also need players who love and will go war for their coach. I tend to believe that was lacking with Patsos to a certain degree.
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Post by MTS on May 1, 2018 20:34:36 GMT -5
MSM's KenPom under Christian - 211, 209, 226, 263, 209, 238 for an average of 226.
That's pretty good despite playing a brutal non-conference schedule with a ton of guarantee games and with a small budget and poor facilities.
Mount's Ken Pom stats in order from 2012-13 season to 2017-18 season:
Offense via Ken Pom was 175, 127, 282, 330, 269, 191 (average of 229)
Defense via Ken Pom was 250, 292, 156, 127, 151, 281 (average of 210)
Tempo via Ken Pom 325, 245, 145, 276, 39, 107 (average of 190)
"Luck" via Ken Pom 3, 110, 78, 259, 20 (average of 96) (Maybe we're due for good luck!)
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Post by Sienafan on May 1, 2018 20:52:31 GMT -5
I'm thinking last season was an outlier due to roster issues that as a result brought down that average. He's known for his mayhem system, which is derived from Shaka Smart's havoc system. So playing fast is indeed his thing normally. It was an outlier but still, he's all over the place. Tempo: Christian = 325, 245, 145, 276, 39, 107 Patsos = 298, 143, 82, 90, 175 It would seem that he adjusts based on the talent and depth on hand each season. It's unlikely he's saying "I think I'll play fast this season and slow next season just for shits and giggles".
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Post by gorvy on May 1, 2018 20:55:40 GMT -5
Tom Moore was not similar in the NEC. He never got his teams to the NCAA tournament. Christian did it twice in 6 attempts. And Moore's recruiting was nowhere near in the same league as what Christian has brought in (albiet subsequently lost to transfer). Great he had a couple good NEC tourney runs (one in a losing season). That's certainly a plus. But, they most certainly are comparable. Tom Moore NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 70-38 (64.8%) Jamion C. NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 67-39 (63.2%) Ousmane Drame, Zaid Hearst, Ike Azotam weren't good NEC recruits? You're stupid. He got them in the NEC and they were ALL-MAAC. . Tom Moore went to the maac by default it was not a step up job. Like other programs that entered the maac, he probably thought he could win the maac with the same caliber of players he was recruiting for the nec. Maac>nec.
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Post by Sienafan on May 1, 2018 21:01:24 GMT -5
Tom Moore was not similar in the NEC. He never got his teams to the NCAA tournament. Christian did it twice in 6 attempts. And Moore's recruiting was nowhere near in the same league as what Christian has brought in (albiet subsequently lost to transfer). Great he had a couple good NEC tourney runs (one in a losing season). That's certainly a plus. But, they most certainly are comparable. Tom Moore NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 70-38 (64.8%) Jamion C. NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 67-39 (63.2%) Ousmane Drame, Zaid Hearst, Ike Azotam weren't good NEC recruits? You're stupid. He got them in the NEC and they were ALL-MAAC. Two conference titles and ncaa trips vs. none are quite a distinction. Christian also has a pretty gaudy home record. And he was doing it with far less resources than Moore had to work with. I didn't say Moore recruited terribly. But look at the schools Christian lost his best players to. Dude was recruiting high major talent in the NEC. Not sure Moore's African trio rises to that level. Look, Christian is by no means a sure thing. Few are at our level. But he's got the best resume of anyone they've hired since McCaffrey. Let's see what he can do at Siena. I'm encouraged by the hire, as he rose to the top of my wish list in during the process.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 21:04:40 GMT -5
Great he had a couple good NEC tourney runs (one in a losing season). That's certainly a plus. But, they most certainly are comparable. Tom Moore NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 70-38 (64.8%) Jamion C. NEC Only Record (6 Years) = 67-39 (63.2%) Ousmane Drame, Zaid Hearst, Ike Azotam weren't good NEC recruits? You're stupid. He got them in the NEC and they were ALL-MAAC. . Tom Moore went to the maac by default it was not a step up job. Like other programs that entered the maac, he probably thought he could win the maac with the same caliber of players he was recruiting for the nec. Maac>nec. He won 20 games his 1st year in the MAAC with those 'NEC guys'. If anything his recruiting fell once he got to the MAAC...not before. They were opposites in style though. Moore was all about rebounding and 2 pt defense, while ignoring perimeter D. JC ignores rebounding and 2pt defense, and focuses on perimeter D. I'm just saying that having such a record in the NEC is no guarantee of success when you jump up 10 leagues....yes..it's like 10 leagues.
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Post by greenblood on May 1, 2018 21:20:20 GMT -5
Plenty of scholarships available. Who has confirmed that they are leaving, other than Smithen? I'm guessing that the kids who are not from Baltimore, sans Huerter will leave. Just a hunch; I'm anxious to see what Christian can do but definitely want to see a wider net cast outside of the DMV with the next full recruiting class; we've been too Baltimore centric for too long. Kind of wish Abe had stayed....
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Post by Quackman on May 1, 2018 21:22:24 GMT -5
. Tom Moore went to the maac by default it was not a step up job. Like other programs that entered the maac, he probably thought he could win the maac with the same caliber of players he was recruiting for the nec. Maac>nec. He won 20 games his 1st year in the MAAC with those 'NEC guys'. If anything his recruiting fell once he got to the MAAC...not before. They were opposites in style though. Moore was all about rebounding and 2 pt defense, while ignoring perimeter D. JC ignores rebounding and 2pt defense, and focuses on perimeter D. I'm just saying that having such a record in the NEC is no guarantee of success when you jump up 10 leagues....yes..it's like 10 leagues. Kind of like a Maac coach who jumps to the acc, right? Personally, I think that is a much bigger jump, yet lowere level coaches jump to the big time every year. Coach Christian will be going from a program that plays 3 or 4 guarantee games per year plus 10 road/neutral site game per year to one with the support, budget and fan base that Siena provides. Looks like Siena is betting that he can parlay those resources into wins. I see no reason to disbelieve that.
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 1, 2018 21:23:13 GMT -5
Let's say Nico comes back. That means we'd have two scholarships (Prince and Smithen), right? Bentley was only given a scholarship because of Prince, so hopefully that opens up too. New guy needs at least 3.
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Post by indian82 on May 1, 2018 21:26:57 GMT -5
Let's say Nico comes back. That means we'd have two scholarships (Prince and Smithen), right? Bentley was only given a scholarship because of Prince, so hopefully that opens up too. New guy needs at least 3. The question will be if they can be filled with quality players this late in the game.
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Post by bigfan on May 1, 2018 21:55:54 GMT -5
I don't want Camper going anywhere. Ditto for Horn and Penn. Assuming Smithen, Clareth, Oduro, Bentley and probably Degnan will not be back.
Let's see who he can bring in...Timberlake number 1 on my wish list. Baker would be good also.
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