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Post by clickclack on May 1, 2018 9:35:57 GMT -5
Why? Because it's your God given right? Siena as a program is 2 blips on the radar with long valleys like this one. You are probably due for another blip but there is nothing to suggest that Siena has ever as a program had any sustained success so not sure why you think it should be the rule. You are a small liberal arts school in financial distress...people outside of this fanbase including coaches and player handlers look at this board, read a post like this and say...as a fan-base Click, why are you here again? Go back to worshipping your soulless concrete university. There is no reason Siena can have sustained success like other mid majors have had. I was just referencing your sense of entitlement. Every single time I write something you don't agree with...your immediate go to move is why are you here? Let me ask you, are you freaking 10, can you have a conversation that challenges your myopic world view or is that beyond your mental capacity? Why don't you explain CONTRARY TO ALL HISTORICAL PRECEDENT why you think it's your given right or "rule" to be a top tier mid-major. My point was there is nothing to suggest in your entire existence (and I know this stings) that the Fran years should be the rule. Now you may WANT it to be the norm or the rule and perhaps you spend money on the program where returns should be better then what they have been but to suggest that it's your God given right is why people mock the Siena fan-base as unrealistic and delusional. Truth be told your entire D1 existence is perhaps 2 or 3 extreme highs (1st round wins) and many more years of average to horrific results (last 8 years). There are MANY mid-majors that have completely eclipsed even the highest of your highs and many more that have matched them. The last time you could look at the results on the court and call Siena a mid-major was close to a decade ago. As for why your results are what they are, for me as an outside observer, you need to look FAR closer at your administration. Why have they been unable or unwilling to capitalize on the TUC, average attendance which if we are being fair is awesome for a low major like Siena. What institutionally or financially is holding Siena back? You MUST start there if you want to get off this hamster wheel...your highs are coming at a less and less frequent interval. At some point you'll have to stare reality in the face and wonder if this is ALL that Siena will ever be. Everyone is focused right now on the coach...you SHOULD be far more concerned with people running the athletic department and cut through the BS and ask, what truly is the institutional commitment here.
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Post by legacy on May 1, 2018 11:17:45 GMT -5
Click, why are you here again? Go back to worshipping your soulless concrete university. There is no reason Siena can have sustained success like other mid majors have had. I was just referencing your sense of entitlement. Every single time I write something you don't agree with...your immediate go to move is why are you here? Let me ask you, are you freaking 10, can you have a conversation that challenges your myopic world view or is that beyond your mental capacity? Why don't you explain CONTRARY TO ALL HISTORICAL PRECEDENT why you think it's your given right or "rule" to be a top tier mid-major. My point was there is nothing to suggest in your entire existence (and I know this stings) that the Fran years should be the rule. Now you may WANT it to be the norm or the rule and perhaps you spend money on the program where returns should be better then what they have been but to suggest that it's your God given right is why people mock the Siena fan-base as unrealistic and delusional. Truth be told your entire D1 existence is perhaps 2 or 3 extreme highs (1st round wins) and many more years of average to horrific results (last 8 years). There are MANY mid-majors that have completely eclipsed even the highest of your highs and many more that have matched them. The last time you could look at the results on the court and call Siena a mid-major was close to a decade ago. As for why your results are what they are, for me as an outside observer, you need to look FAR closer at your administration. Why have they been unable or unwilling to capitalize on the TUC, average attendance which if we are being fair is awesome for a low major like Siena. What institutionally or financially is holding Siena back? You MUST start there if you want to get off this hamster wheel...your highs are coming at a less and less frequent interval. At some point you'll have to stare reality in the face and wonder if this is ALL that Siena will ever be. Everyone is focused right now on the coach...you SHOULD be far more concerned with people running the athletic department and cut through the BS and ask, what truly is the institutional commitment here.
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Post by clickclack on May 1, 2018 11:24:01 GMT -5
I was just referencing your sense of entitlement. Every single time I write something you don't agree with...your immediate go to move is why are you here? Let me ask you, are you freaking 10, can you have a conversation that challenges your myopic world view or is that beyond your mental capacity? Why don't you explain CONTRARY TO ALL HISTORICAL PRECEDENT why you think it's your given right or "rule" to be a top tier mid-major. My point was there is nothing to suggest in your entire existence (and I know this stings) that the Fran years should be the rule. Now you may WANT it to be the norm or the rule and perhaps you spend money on the program where returns should be better then what they have been but to suggest that it's your God given right is why people mock the Siena fan-base as unrealistic and delusional. Truth be told your entire D1 existence is perhaps 2 or 3 extreme highs (1st round wins) and many more years of average to horrific results (last 8 years). There are MANY mid-majors that have completely eclipsed even the highest of your highs and many more that have matched them. The last time you could look at the results on the court and call Siena a mid-major was close to a decade ago. As for why your results are what they are, for me as an outside observer, you need to look FAR closer at your administration. Why have they been unable or unwilling to capitalize on the TUC, average attendance which if we are being fair is awesome for a low major like Siena. What institutionally or financially is holding Siena back? You MUST start there if you want to get off this hamster wheel...your highs are coming at a less and less frequent interval. At some point you'll have to stare reality in the face and wonder if this is ALL that Siena will ever be. Everyone is focused right now on the coach...you SHOULD be far more concerned with people running the athletic department and cut through the BS and ask, what truly is the institutional commitment here. Waiting on you to figure out how to quote...
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Post by legacy on May 1, 2018 11:24:30 GMT -5
when Cellar rat says "there is no reason Siena can't have sustained success like other mid-majors..." and you interpret that as a sense of myopic entitlement then YOU dear Click are the one with the attitude problem. That is certainly not a delusional statement of grandeur. When analyzing literature and a student went off a deep end like you are a dear professor of mine would tell him he was"reaching" . That's a euphemism for over reacting, over dramatizing. Thus,Celler Rat's question is fair: why are you here? Your diatribe against Siena is full of vitriol and disdain. Just go away and support your "great" program that still has yet to have a marquis win.
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Post by clickclack on May 1, 2018 11:25:36 GMT -5
when Cellar rat says "there is no reason Siena can't have sustained success like other mid-majors..." and you interpret that as a sense of myopic entitlement then YOU dear Click are the one with the attitude problem. That is certainly not a delusional statement of grandeur. When analyzing literature and a student went off a deep end like you are a dear professor of mine would tell him he was"reaching" . That's a euphemism for over reacting, over dramatizing. Thus,Celler Rat's question is fair: why are you here? Your diatribe against Siena is full of vitriol and disdain. Just go away and support your "great" program that still has yet to have a marquis win. P.S. I have no disdain for Siena...when you were good, maybe I did...now? I love college hoops and follow Siena closely, does that answer it?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:34:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that Clickclack is just a shill for the Gif industry. I'm not even sure he's really an Albany fan.
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Post by clickclack on May 1, 2018 11:38:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty that Clickclack is just a shill for the Gif industry. I'm not even sure he's really an Albany fan.
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Post by ltf on May 3, 2018 16:06:27 GMT -5
Do we give Darg credit for this one? Does anyone know for certain (no guesses) who was involved in the process and decision?
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Post by greengold4ever on May 3, 2018 16:25:42 GMT -5
Do we give Darg credit for this one? Does anyone know for certain (no guesses) who was involved in the process and decision? how can you possibly grade/credit this when we don't have any results............from the initial surface of this selection, all looks good & positive............but as we have had the same type feeling with others brought in, we won't know for sure until we see what develops on the hardwood.............cautiously optimistic for sure, but that's all we have right now...............
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Post by gorvy on May 3, 2018 17:32:01 GMT -5
Do we give Darg credit for this one? Does anyone know for certain (no guesses) who was involved in the process and decision? how can you possibly grade/credit this when we don't have any results............from the initial surface of this selection, all looks good & positive............but as we have had the same type feeling with others brought in, we won't know for sure until we see what develops on the hardwood.............cautiously optimistic for sure, but that's all we have right now............... If you guys are going to fault him for all the bad hires and extensions, I don’t see how you can not credit him for the reduction of patsos buyout and the hiring of a multiple championship winner with no buyout.
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Post by indian82 on May 3, 2018 17:37:44 GMT -5
Do we give Darg credit for this one? Does anyone know for certain (no guesses) who was involved in the process and decision? how can you possibly grade/credit this when we don't have any results............from the initial surface of this selection, all looks good & positive............but as we have had the same type feeling with others brought in, we won't know for sure until we see what develops on the hardwood.............cautiously optimistic for sure, but that's all we have right now............... That's kind of true, but you should go on record as to whether you approve or disapprove of the hire. Nothing is guaranteed and easy to criticize somebody for a decision 2 or more years after the fact. If you don't like the hire, it's certainly fair to criticize JD if he tanks, but if you like it...... Go all in.
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Post by th24 on May 3, 2018 17:39:38 GMT -5
If Christian works out...the template is clear for the future. A young up and coming head coach with multiple championships under his belt.
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Post by gorvy on May 3, 2018 17:45:43 GMT -5
how can you possibly grade/credit this when we don't have any results............from the initial surface of this selection, all looks good & positive............but as we have had the same type feeling with others brought in, we won't know for sure until we see what develops on the hardwood.............cautiously optimistic for sure, but that's all we have right now............... That's kind of true, but you should go on record as to whether you approve or disapprove of the hire. Nothing is guaranteed and easy to criticize somebody for a decision 2 or more years after the fact. If you don't like the hire, it's certainly fair to criticize JD if he tanks, but if you like it...... Go all in. Bingo. Some people out here should be apologizing for the disparaging statements regarding the process—- when all along they were evaluating over a dozen candidates, many of whom were quality choices under consideration. If this works out hope they retain their legal team and the search firm approach.
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Post by MTS on May 3, 2018 18:07:36 GMT -5
how can you possibly grade/credit this when we don't have any results............from the initial surface of this selection, all looks good & positive............but as we have had the same type feeling with others brought in, we won't know for sure until we see what develops on the hardwood.............cautiously optimistic for sure, but that's all we have right now............... If you guys are going to fault him for all the bad hires and extensions, I don’t see how you can not credit him for the reduction of patsos buyout and the hiring of a multiple championship winner with no buyout. I like the Christian hire a lot and not having to pay buyout to get him is great. I guess you can give D'Arg a little credit for that. As far as Patsos buyout reduced to one year - that was luck - Patsos acted like a clown. D'Arg gave JP an incredibly stupid extension. If not JP being a total fool he'd still be the coach. D'Arg gets absolutely no credit, In fact, he's just lucky that extension did not come back and bite him in the ass.
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Post by greenblood on May 3, 2018 18:26:34 GMT -5
If Christian works out...the template is clear for the future. A young up and coming head coach with multiple championships under his belt. Some of us wanted that 8 years ago, and again 5 years ago.
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