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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 6, 2018 18:54:45 GMT -5
Dick Walsh is far from a "slimy." attorney. He is a well regarded and well liked labor and employment lawyer who limits his practice to employee and union clients. He fight's hard but fair. With him involved, as opposed to some of the "bomb throwers" who like to hear themselves talk in the media, maybe there is a chance for a negotiated buyout. Okay, maybe not a slimy attorney. I don't know the man. But it WAS a slimy move if, as others have stated, Jimmy had other team managers standing behind him at the press conference. An obvious attempt to ostracize the kid whom he verbally abused. But not slimy like Siena portraying this manager with a horrible disease (see: MTS) and Jimmy tipping over his wheelchair, right? Once lawyers get involved, all the tricks come out, and it gets sleazy. MTS now on record saying JP doesn't get a penny. Still o-fer! Lol
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Post by CellarRat on Apr 6, 2018 19:08:22 GMT -5
Okay, maybe not a slimy attorney. I don't know the man. But it WAS a slimy move if, as others have stated, Jimmy had other team managers standing behind him at the press conference. An obvious attempt to ostracize the kid whom he verbally abused. But not slimy like Siena portraying this manager with a horrible disease (see: MTS) and Jimmy tipping over his wheelchair, right? Once lawyers get involved, all the tricks come out, and it gets sleazy. MTS now on record saying JP doesn't get a penny. Still o-fer! Lol I’ll agree about the lawyer part. Pay that man his money. This is getting toxic. This isn’t a popularity contest, it should be about doing the right thing. Hopefully an agreement is reached with the least amount of damage to all concerned, including JP.
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Post by ryan on Apr 6, 2018 19:19:15 GMT -5
Stop know the lawyer he is just trying to bid his time he is toast
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Post by siena12077 on Apr 6, 2018 19:38:33 GMT -5
If you're Siena BOD and President, do you fire D'Argenio at the same time as Patsos? The media has not mentioned his job is in trouble (at least not that I have seen) I know a lot of people here would like to see him gone. But for the College's image do you HAVE to fire him with Patsos? Remember this was his hire and he gave him a vote of confidence not long ago, even after the apparent report filed by the student manager in February 2018.
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Post by CellarRat on Apr 6, 2018 19:48:21 GMT -5
If you're Siena BOD and President, do you fire D'Argenio at the same time as Patsos? The media has not mentioned his job is in trouble (at least not that I have seen) I know a lot of people here would like to see him gone. But for the College's image do you HAVE to fire him with Patsos? Remember this was his hire and he gave him a vote of confidence not long ago, even after the apparent report filed by the student manager in February 2018. I think enough blood has been shed this year.
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Post by olddave on Apr 6, 2018 19:50:19 GMT -5
If you're Siena BOD and President, do you fire D'Argenio at the same time as Patsos? The media has not mentioned his job is in trouble (at least not that I have seen) I know a lot of people here would like to see him gone. But for the College's image do you HAVE to fire him with Patsos? Remember this was his hire and he gave him a vote of confidence not long ago, even after the apparent report filed by the student manager in February 2018. All you have to do is take a look at how the situation was handled. Ad and admin should resign without a doubt. With the knowledge they had, have no excuses for such poor management.
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Post by gorvy on Apr 6, 2018 20:24:47 GMT -5
If you're Siena BOD and President, do you fire D'Argenio at the same time as Patsos? The media has not mentioned his job is in trouble (at least not that I have seen) I know a lot of people here would like to see him gone. But for the College's image do you HAVE to fire him with Patsos? Remember this was his hire and he gave him a vote of confidence not long ago, even after the apparent report filed by the student manager in February 2018. . He didn’t exactly give him a vote of confidence —- he gave the party line that they do end of season reviews. Then the whole wish washy statement. And apparently the review still ongoing.
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Post by le on Apr 6, 2018 20:37:39 GMT -5
A presser from a trial lawyer's office ? Sounds like he should ave hired David Bois, Hillary or John Edwards... How pathetic !
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Post by hoopdad on Apr 6, 2018 21:07:49 GMT -5
Tony, sorry but Siena will be hurt if this issue drags on and if fact they already have been. Any outsider looking in and watching how Siena has handled this have to be thinking that Siena is run by a bunch of buffoons. Also why would any decent recruit with offers even think about coming to Siena while this circus is going on? Now if they conclude the investigation this weekend and fire Sir James Monday AM then yes Siena can right the ship but if it takes anywhere near the 30 days that Pastos lawyer hinted forget it. I agree with much of this - the fact that this became public at this stage will be a red flag to the coaching community. No doubt Jimmy is done, but making it public this soon gave him the opportunity to publicly position himself to secure as much of his contracted pay as possible. This is all about positioning now, and Siena screwed up by going public so soon. What they should have done, in my opinion: Finish the investigation covertly, go to Jimmy with the findings and let the attorneys negotiate the separation agreement, all out of the public eye and out-of-court. Guessing NDA's would have protected the school's image regarding coach muckraking and would have protected Jimmy from further reputational harm, which WOULD HAVE BEEN A NEGOTIATION LEVER for reducing the buyout. Once an agreement is reached, announce Siena and Patsos have mutually agreed to part ways. No public sh*t show, and everyone is better off, less the side benefit of shining a light on the mental health issue. Frankly, I think that small documentary did a nice job of that, anyway. As I posted previously.... This is just further proof that the current administration cannot handle anything correctly. Sad state the College is in right now. Both on and off the basketball courts. Shameful. None of this should have been made public until the investigation was completed in its entirety. IMO more than just Patsos should loose his job over this mess. This is no way to run a college or any other professional organization for that matter. The entire situation is a complete embarrassment to the current student body and alumni. What a mess.
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Post by hooligan on Apr 6, 2018 23:11:53 GMT -5
If you're Siena BOD and President, do you fire D'Argenio at the same time as Patsos? The media has not mentioned his job is in trouble (at least not that I have seen) I know a lot of people here would like to see him gone. But for the College's image do you HAVE to fire him with Patsos? Remember this was his hire and he gave him a vote of confidence not long ago, even after the apparent report filed by the student manager in February 2018. Yes
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 6, 2018 23:49:29 GMT -5
A presser from a trial lawyer's office ? Sounds like he should ave hired David Bois, Hillary or John Edwards... How pathetic ! Where should he have it? (Insert bar joke here)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 4:27:49 GMT -5
A presser from a trial lawyer's office ? Sounds like he should ave hired David Bois, Hillary or John Edwards... How pathetic ! Where should he have it? (Insert bar joke here) Good lawyers pass the bar - no presser for you....
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Apr 7, 2018 7:43:26 GMT -5
School I am sure will offer. JP will counter offer. By Wednesday of next week this will all be over.
Rex will be gone. The school will pay out. Confidentiality agreement will be included. We will never know what the actual payout was but my guess is that it will be closer to a million than it will be to $500k to make it go away quickly.
Right or wrong, it sounds like the school has already made their choice for the new HC so this whole fiasco does not continue to be drawn out through a long interview process.
The new guy comes from a cloth of what appears to be a high moral standards family, with plenty of coaching dna in his blood.
Being the son of one of the most respected coaches in the coaching ranks today, at one of the most well known universities in the land, and he himself who is coming from coaching at another franciscan based college closely tied to Siena will make this transition very quick and smooth.
He will be onboard by Friday. Hope will return back to Siena. They will survive.
Everything moving forward will be about the future. Siena season ticket sales will remain steady or even grow.
Everything will be hunky-dory again on this board and beyond unless in the end, he doesn't win. He can't recruit. He doesn't play an entertaining style of basketball, etc...
Only time will tell if we have another Paul Hewitt or another Rob Lanier?
But for now, all will be good. The honeymoon will be on. Saints nation, me included, will once again be out in full force. The rest of the MAAC will soon hate us again.
D'Arg will announce his retirement well before the Saratoga Race Season starts in some very grand way - with some type of royalty going out ceremony. Probably announced by the end of May but staying on until August 1st to help with the transition of a new AD coming on by July 1st.
JP will also survive and live a pretty good life as well. He will never again coach another men's college basketball game. JP will never be on television. He will do something like buy a beachside bar or two or three somewhere warm where he can be his own royalty and big man on campus dropping names to all his customers who will love him before they tire of him.
He will do just fine with what I am guessing with the payout, the money he and his wife have earned over the past 20 yrs with no family to support, is a pretty healthy financial portfolio at this stage of his life.
By next year at this time, all this will be well in the rear view mirror.
I for one am very hopeful and very pumped for this upcoming season with this same group of players and a new leader at the helm. I hope they stay and I hope Nico joins them for his senior year and they go from last to first, even if it means we are again looking for a new coach come this time next year! Go Saints!
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Post by olddave on Apr 7, 2018 7:50:03 GMT -5
If you're Siena BOD and President, do you fire D'Argenio at the same time as Patsos? The media has not mentioned his job is in trouble (at least not that I have seen) I know a lot of people here would like to see him gone. But for the College's image do you HAVE to fire him with Patsos? Remember this was his hire and he gave him a vote of confidence not long ago, even after the apparent report filed by the student manager in February 2018. I think enough blood has been shed this year. School has no choice, termination, retirement, call it what you,want. The school needs to look,serious to the public and especially alumni who give about wanting to,clean up this fiasco. AD played a major role here for the extensions, hence the huge buyout. No AD needs to go sooner than later by the end of academic year.
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Post by Tony on Apr 7, 2018 7:51:05 GMT -5
Good post sienafanallyearlong2 and probably very much “spot” on
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