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Post by optimisticfranciscan on Apr 5, 2018 20:00:21 GMT -5
All this Beilein talk is way too soon. He is an up and coming coach. Eventually he will get a big time job. What are you looking for from him? He makes the tournament 2 years in a row at Siena and with his pedigree he will be at an AAC or Big East school.
Cliff Warren has made the money, he has been the head coach of a D1 program, he is a proven guards coach who has recruited in this area and is loyal to Siena.
Give him this mess and he will turn it around and not look back. It wouldn't be a stepping stone for him. It would be an opportunity to make this place what is was under his mentor Paul ( The Godfather)
Yea I said it, not dean, not Fran, Paul... The Godfather
I am in your corner Cliff, Go Saints
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 20:04:31 GMT -5
Ha.
Cliff Warren career winning % = .457
Jimmy Patsos career winning % = .494
Jimmy's winning % at Siena that got him in this mess: .456
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 5, 2018 20:05:26 GMT -5
Why do people not want a guy who sees the job as a stepping stone? Cliff Warren wouldn’t be our Mark Few, he went well below .500 at a bad program in a bad league. He’d be mediocre at best and until these allegations I would have taken Patsos over him. He’s an excellent recruiter and would make a great lead assistant for a guy like Beilein.
We need an up-and-comer who is going to work his tail off to win big and then move up. It sucks to lose coaches but if they win big they will leave and that’s okay: you just have to build a system and a culture where you flip coaches every 5 years and win. See Murray State as an example. You then become an extremely attractive job for good young coaches.
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Post by th24 on Apr 5, 2018 20:10:08 GMT -5
Siena is not going to GREAT AGAIN by doing favors for people! Coaches should get this job based in resume (W/L) and their character!
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Post by gorvy on Apr 5, 2018 20:11:23 GMT -5
All this Beilein talk is way too soon. He is an up and coming coach. Eventually he will get a big time job. What are you looking for from him? He makes the tournament 2 years in a row at Siena and with his pedigree he will be at an AAC or Big East school. Cliff Warren has made the money, he has been the head coach of a D1 program, he is a proven guards coach who has recruited in this area and is loyal to Siena. Give him this mess and he will turn it around and not look back. It wouldn't be a stepping stone for him. It would be an opportunity to make this place what is was under his mentor Paul ( The Godfather) Yea I said it, not dean, not Fran, Paul... The Godfather I am in your corner Cliff, Go Saints . Sign me up! For belien. 2 tournaments in a row, I’ll take it! Lol. |
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Post by optimisticfranciscan on Apr 5, 2018 20:13:27 GMT -5
Older and more mature now.....
Fran had a losing record before he came to Siena. You probably didn't want him hired either....
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Post by gorvy on Apr 5, 2018 20:15:04 GMT -5
Older and more mature now..... Fran had a losing record before he came to Siena. You probably didn't want him hired either.... . You couldn’t be more wrong. |
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Post by MTS on Apr 5, 2018 20:17:02 GMT -5
Why do people not want a guy who sees the job as a stepping stone? Cliff Warren wouldn’t be our Mark Few, he went well below .500 at a bad program in a bad league. He’d be mediocre at best and until these allegations I would have taken Patsos over him. He’s an excellent recruiter and would make a great lead assistant for a guy like Beilein. We need an up-and-comer who is going to work his tail off to win big and then move up. It sucks to lose coaches but if they win big they will leave and that’s okay: you just have to build a system and a culture where you flip coaches every 5 years and win. See Murray State as an example. You then become an extremely attractive job for good young coaches. Exactly. Mark Few is a pipe dream. Do what Xavier/Butler have done even though they're in the Big East they STILL lose their coaches. If Pat Beilein, for example, comes here gives us 5 really good years and gets us to a couple NCAA tournaments and then moves on I'd be thrilled. We need to embrace being the steppingstone to the BCS leagues. I don't know if Beilein will be the guy but he's mentioned the most. Ashley Howard is off the board to LaSalle. That's why this thing needs to get wrapped up within the next 5-7 days. Still a lot of good coaches and this is a must HR hire for Siena. Nothing against Cliff Warren but once you get fired from a mid-major your head coaching days are over. Beilein, Cuputo, Mason (Wagner), Odom (UMBC) Davis (Bucknell) and Tobin Anderson would be my top realistic choices. Don't think we could get Becker. |
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Post by optimisticfranciscan on Apr 5, 2018 20:18:40 GMT -5
They should get the job off wins and losses you are correct. But Beilein should get it off the 59 wins at Lemoyne? Cmon
Maybe we should look at the guy from Erie Community College while we are at it. 20 win season for my guy... might as well look at him too...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 20:20:47 GMT -5
I don't think Tobin would even consider the job were D'Arg to remain in his position. Tobin was given some undelivered promises when he was here - the bridge got burned...
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Post by CellarRat on Apr 5, 2018 20:27:00 GMT -5
I don't think Tobin would even consider the job were D'Arg to remain in his position. Tobin was given some undelivered promises when he was here - the bridge got burned... What promises? |
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Post by gorvy on Apr 5, 2018 20:36:58 GMT -5
I don't think Tobin would even consider the job were D'Arg to remain in his position. Tobin was given some undelivered promises when he was here - the bridge got burned... . Ouch, too bad. |
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Post by Tony on Apr 6, 2018 3:59:33 GMT -5
Why do people not want a guy who sees the job as a stepping stone? Because D’argenio has proven to be utterly incompetent when replacing successful coaches that’s why.. Just another reason why he MUST GO I agree it’s the way to go. Many other very successful Mids are able to replace successful coaches and the beat goes on. |
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Post by doukas on Apr 6, 2018 5:26:40 GMT -5
As we begin to ramp up our discussion of who should be the next coach to lead our Siena Saints out of the morass created by the present staff, I was struck by this paragraph in A Daly Dose of Hoops announcing John Dunne's hiring at Marist:
Anyone who knows Dunne will immediately vouch for his salt-of-the-earth nature, a gentleman and a class act who will represent anyone he affiliates himself with to the highest possible standard, and a worker akin to a master craftsman who will not stop improving his project until he can no longer recognize an apparent flaw. The same people who champion his work and character off the court will just as quickly give him his just plaudits for what he does on the hardwood, taking notice of his ability to develop both sides of a player's game, as well as prepare each of his young pupils for life after basketball.
Somehow name recognition and won-lost records are not that important at this critical juncture. That's why I pay attention when I read the name Cliff Warren on this board. Just saying ...
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Post by glen on Apr 6, 2018 6:49:36 GMT -5
We don’t need a Calapari “win at all costs” type of guy, but simply being a nice guy isn’t enough.
It would be great to get a Mark Few but I think Butler and Xavier are the more reasonable models to follow. We’ve had some good coaches (Deane, Hewitt & Fran) but all had their downsides. Still, all took the program to the NCAA tournament in 3 years. I wouldn’t want to be the committee responsible for the fate of the program at this point.
Some things we know:
Proven losers don’t necessarily mature. Mitch has shown that just being an assistant for a good coach is no guaranteee that the knowledge transfers.
Resources, budget and fan base don’t necessarily translate into making a mediocre coach a great coach.
It’s easy to say “run and gun”...it’s apparently hard to recruit for, teach and execute that plan.
It’s easy to say “I know what is expected by this fan base”...it’s hard to achieve it.
The current AD / admins were willing to A) pay a lot ($300K+) and B) give an extension even though there were no results.
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