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Post by greenblood on Apr 6, 2018 7:20:03 GMT -5
We don’t need a Calapari “win at all costs” type of guy, but simply being a nice guy isn’t enough. It would be great to get a Mark Few but I think Butler and Xavier are the more reasonable models to follow. We’ve had some good coaches (Deane, Hewitt & Fran) but all had their downsides. Still, all took the program to the NCAA tournament in 3 years. I wouldn’t want to be the committee responsible for the fate of the program at this point. Some things we know: Proven losers don’t necessarily mature. Mitch has shown that just being an assistant for a good coach is no guaranteee that the knowledge transfers. Resources, budget and fan base don’t necessarily translate into making a mediocre coach a great coach. It’s easy to say “run and gun”...it’s apparently hard to recruit for, teach and execute that plan. It’s easy to say “I know what is expected by this fan base”...it’s hard to achieve it. The current AD / admins were willing to A) pay a lot ($300K+) and B) give an extension even though there were no results. AMEN, AMEN, AMEN... What we need to restore is integrity, credibility and family to the program. If that is combined with a young and up and coming coach who comes from a basketball family that is the epitome of integrity, credibility and family we will move forward.
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Post by james on Apr 6, 2018 7:26:57 GMT -5
I totally agree with goldsaint17 when he says we need an up and comer who is out to prove himself,make his mark and moves on.That is who Siena is,a stepping stone for top young coaches who in the past always clamored for the Siena HC job.The debacle of the last 2 hires have been done (imo) with wishful thinking.Time for this program to move on with a new coach and AD.GO SAINTS!!
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Apr 6, 2018 7:30:11 GMT -5
I don't the name of who this guy is but (since we are not going the Marc Brown direction) this is what I believe he should represent:
youth; hungry to get out and get at it: known to being the lead recruiter at a successful program, whether it be at a mid major or a power conference school, ties to the northeast aau and hs coaching circuits; preferably to the closest major urban market we have right in our backyard in the metropolitan New York City area. A coach who is not afraid of the challenge to winning recruiting battles vs. finding that 1 in a 100 kids who is not being recruited by anyone who you think you can turn into a superstar. A coach who is not afraid to recruit up, especially for local kids who appear to have opportunities to play at higher levels. A coach who gives the players opportunities to make decisions and mistakes on the court without always looking over their shoulder. A coach who is truly committed to playing up tempo basketball on both sides of the court. And finally, a coach who is willing year in and year out to schedule as tough an out of conference schedule as possible.
Whoever that guy is should be our guy.
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Post by greenblood on Apr 6, 2018 7:46:30 GMT -5
I have heard from prominent basketball families that have had contact with JOHN BEILEIN in the past/present. They are telling me that he is well connected in NY/NJ and has a phenomenal mind and memory of people. I am VERY SURE that he will be providing contacts to Patrick who will be more than willing to assist in the recruiting process should he step up to be the head man here. The stars could be aligning here in a very good way going forward, but first we need to get through the tempest storm of moving out the current staff. (Sorry Abe)
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Post by clickclack on Apr 6, 2018 7:50:29 GMT -5
Why do people not want a guy who sees the job as a stepping stone? Cliff Warren wouldn’t be our Mark Few, he went well below .500 at a bad program in a bad league. He’d be mediocre at best and until these allegations I would have taken Patsos over him. He’s an excellent recruiter and would make a great lead assistant for a guy like Beilein. We need an up-and-comer who is going to work his tail off to win big and then move up. It sucks to lose coaches but if they win big they will leave and that’s okay: you just have to build a system and a culture where you flip coaches every 5 years and win. See Murray State as an example. You then become an extremely attractive job for good young coaches. Exactly. Mark Few is a pipe dream. Do what Xavier/Butler have done even though they're in the Big East they STILL lose their coaches. If Pat Beilein, for example, comes here gives us 5 really good years and gets us to a couple NCAA tournaments and then moves on I'd be thrilled. We need to embrace being the steppingstone to the BCS leagues. I don't know if Beilein will be the guy but he's mentioned the most. Ashley Howard is off the board to LaSalle. That's why this thing needs to get wrapped up within the next 5-7 days. Still a lot of good coaches and this is a must HR hire for Siena. Nothing against Cliff Warren but once you get fired from a mid-major your head coaching days are over. Beilein, Cuputo, Mason (Wagner), Odom (UMBC) Davis (Bucknell) and Tobin Anderson would be my top realistic choices. Don't think we could get Becker. Again, Odom and Davis are not realistic choices.
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Post by olddave on Apr 6, 2018 7:52:52 GMT -5
All well and good, but the idea that we need ethical moralold time standards sorry folks outdated. Do we need to follow the rules yes. But if we want to compete you need the horses. Iona method not the best, but you will need to use some of the current methodology used there. This is a business, been stressing that for years. It affects less than what one tenth of one percent of the student body.
You recruit , accept athletes who will help your program, build it, overall globally the school is in a better position, this was proven 8 short years ago, and yes across town this model is being used to benefite the school. Get off the pulpits, ,face facts. The current AD, admin is a fiasco, why the admin because they didn’t act sooner regarding the allegations. Theses allegations are serious enough JP should have been fired mid season and don’t say they didn’t know about them, most will laugh at you.
While not a fan of win at all costs I do believe you play by the rules set by your competition. If not you don’t survive. Y The posters who are in the private sector understand this.
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Post by greenblood on Apr 6, 2018 7:56:02 GMT -5
All well and good, but the idea that we need ethical moralold time standards sorry folks outdated. Do we need to follow the rules yes. But if we want to compete you need the horses. Iona method not the best, but you will need to use some of the current methodology used there. This is a business, been stressing that for years. It affects less than what one tenth of one percent of the student body. You recruit , accept athletes who will help your program, build it, overall globally the school is in a better position, this was proven 8 short years ago, and yes across town this model is being used to benefite the school. Get off the pulpits, ,face facts. The current AD, admin is a fiasco, why the admin because they didn’t act sooner regarding the allegations. Theses allegations are serious enough JP should have been fired mid season and don’t say they didn’t know about them, most will laugh at you. While not a fan of win at all costs I do believe you play by the rules set by your competition. If not you don’t survive. Y The posters who are in the private sector understand this. Dave: I agree that we need to move into the present, but I think it can be done with integrity. Just saying....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 8:03:04 GMT -5
All well and good, but the idea that we need ethical moralold time standards sorry folks outdated. Do we need to follow the rules yes. But if we want to compete you need the horses. Iona method not the best, but you will need to use some of the current methodology used there. This is a business, been stressing that for years. It affects less than what one tenth of one percent of the student body. You recruit , accept athletes who will help your program, build it, overall globally the school is in a better position, this was proven 8 short years ago, and yes across town this model is being used to benefite the school. Get off the pulpits, ,face facts. The current AD, admin is a fiasco, why the admin because they didn’t act sooner regarding the allegations. Theses allegations are serious enough JP should have been fired mid season and don’t say they didn’t know about them, most will laugh at you. While not a fan of win at all costs I do believe you play by the rules set by your competition. If not you don’t survive. Y The posters who are in the private sector understand this. Dave: I agree that we need to move into the present, but I think it can be done with integrity. Just saying.... You are so right - we can all see, unfortunately, what a complete lack of integrity can lead to...we need to clean house NOW
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Post by olddave on Apr 6, 2018 8:05:16 GMT -5
All well and good, but the idea that we need ethical moralold time standards sorry folks outdated. Do we need to follow the rules yes. But if we want to compete you need the horses. Iona method not the best, but you will need to use some of the current methodology used there. This is a business, been stressing that for years. It affects less than what one tenth of one percent of the student body. You recruit , accept athletes who will help your program, build it, overall globally the school is in a better position, this was proven 8 short years ago, and yes across town this model is being used to benefite the school. Get off the pulpits, ,face facts. The current AD, admin is a fiasco, why the admin because they didn’t act sooner regarding the allegations. Theses allegations are serious enough JP should have been fired mid season and don’t say they didn’t know about them, most will laugh at you. While not a fan of win at all costs I do believe you play by the rules set by your competition. If not you don’t survive. Y The posters who are in the private sector understand this. Dave: I agree that we need to move into the present, but I think it can be done with integrity. Just saying.... Exactly, all I am saying is get out of the past, majority of posters here graduated 60,70, early 80’s, school not the same, D1 not the same, students not the same whole new world. Do we need someone who supplies hookers, takes money from high end donors illegally, NO. Do we need to push the envelope on admissions, yes, but the caveat is if they do the responsibility to graduate the kid is high, 5 years fine but graduate the kid, your daughter I believe was a tutor. Student tutors are not a high cost factor. There are ways. And if a kid doesn’t graduate but helps bring the school national recognition your scholarship money is well spent. Funny lot of posters talk about the academics but by their own admission the B.B. program is 6 points higher than the general student body. As as for the coach, Grasso, from Bryant. Only been there 4 days we know he can recruit and a proven winner.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 6, 2018 8:11:32 GMT -5
All well and good, but the idea that we need ethical moralold time standards sorry folks outdated. Do we need to follow the rules yes. But if we want to compete you need the horses. Iona method not the best, but you will need to use some of the current methodology used there. This is a business, been stressing that for years. It affects less than what one tenth of one percent of the student body. You recruit , accept athletes who will help your program, build it, overall globally the school is in a better position, this was proven 8 short years ago, and yes across town this model is being used to benefite the school. Get off the pulpits, ,face facts. The current AD, admin is a fiasco, why the admin because they didn’t act sooner regarding the allegations. Theses allegations are serious enough JP should have been fired mid season and don’t say they didn’t know about them, most will laugh at you. While not a fan of win at all costs I do believe you play by the rules set by your competition. If not you don’t survive. Y The posters who are in the private sector understand this. Dave: I agree that we need to move into the present, but I think it can be done with integrity. Just saying.... Could not agree more.
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Post by sky on Apr 6, 2018 8:44:47 GMT -5
All well and good, but the idea that we need ethical moralold time standards sorry folks outdated. Do we need to follow the rules yes. But if we want to compete you need the horses. Iona method not the best, but you will need to use some of the current methodology used there. This is a business, been stressing that for years. It affects less than what one tenth of one percent of the student body. You recruit , accept athletes who will help your program, build it, overall globally the school is in a better position, this was proven 8 short years ago, and yes across town this model is being used to benefite the school. Get off the pulpits, ,face facts. The current AD, admin is a fiasco, why the admin because they didn’t act sooner regarding the allegations. Theses allegations are serious enough JP should have been fired mid season and don’t say they didn’t know about them, most will laugh at you. While not a fan of win at all costs I do believe you play by the rules set by your competition. If not you don’t survive. Y The posters who are in the private sector understand this. I was in the private sector and I hope that things haven't changed that much since I retired....I had one word that guided both my actions and decisions.. "ethics"...to be successful you have to trust those that you deal with and you have to be trusted...I feel that ethics should also apply to all aspects of Siena's athletic programs...be it the administration, the coaches or the athletes...I hope we can get to that point.
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Post by saints22 on Apr 6, 2018 9:49:55 GMT -5
Exactly. Mark Few is a pipe dream. Do what Xavier/Butler have done even though they're in the Big East they STILL lose their coaches. If Pat Beilein, for example, comes here gives us 5 really good years and gets us to a couple NCAA tournaments and then moves on I'd be thrilled. We need to embrace being the steppingstone to the BCS leagues. I don't know if Beilein will be the guy but he's mentioned the most. Ashley Howard is off the board to LaSalle. That's why this thing needs to get wrapped up within the next 5-7 days. Still a lot of good coaches and this is a must HR hire for Siena. Nothing against Cliff Warren but once you get fired from a mid-major your head coaching days are over. Beilein, Cuputo, Mason (Wagner), Odom (UMBC) Davis (Bucknell) and Tobin Anderson would be my top realistic choices. Don't think we could get Becker. Again, Odom and Davis are not realistic choices. Again..........MTS does not deal in reality.
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