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Post by warden99 on Apr 5, 2018 13:57:05 GMT -5
Lots of comments and attempt to place blame and defend positions by many people. Most are people I have lots of respect for their opinions
HOWEVER
Let's get it over and move on
THE TEAM AND SCHOOL WE ALL LOVE IS IN TROUBLE ANd it needs us all. NOW
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Post by easymoney on Apr 5, 2018 14:18:07 GMT -5
YOU GOT IT RIGHT !
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Post by boogie on Apr 5, 2018 15:02:52 GMT -5
Well it's done- agreed not good way- let's hope Siena doesnt compound this by letting Darg have any say in new coach. This B/S didnt happen in vacuum. Darg knew what was going on, Darg also let Jimmy vacation twice a month in off season every year- the seeds of this year's 8 win season were sown the least 5 years by the mistake after mistake Patsos made taking kids with little to no other offers, and his inability to win kids in competitive recruiting situations, his so called recruiting trips to west coast where he spent more time partying than he did recruiting. Hopefully a plan is in place to clean house and remove/ retire Darg. I hold him fully culpable for the current situation of the Siena program agree with sentiments about JP- this thread was about Darg- the incompetence of the man is astounding. He took a program that was one of the top programs not only in the MAAC, but one of the tops mids in the country and in 8 short years ran into the ground with unbelievably bad head coach choices and he compounded that by offering poorly thought out contracts, basically he failed to protect Siena’s interests, I've said it before, and I guess I have to say it again.........the last two Siena men's coaches were hired over John's recommendations. He is not responsible for those hires. I know that for a fact. You say that "Darg knew what was going on", which I assume refers to conduct toward people around the program. You're undoubtedly right, but how many posts have their been citing changes in Jimmy's on-court behavior in recent years because of what we all assumed were steps taken by John and others in the administration. I have to assume those steps would have also addressed any concerns about off the court conduct as well. So if John did know what was going on, something was done to respond to the concerns. And I don't disagree that recruiting has been a problem. But I don't know how much Jimmy's vacations had to do with it. Everybody is entitled to vacation time. I don't know what Siena's vacation policies are for people who work at the school, but I have to believe that any vacation time Jimmy took was consistent with the school's policies. John may have some responsibility with respect to the contract extensions, but I don't know that for a fact, and speculating that he is responsible for it, as many on here have, is nothing more than that, speculation. (I've heard that maybe we should be looking at some BoT members as the people responsible for this.) Maybe a change would be good for everyone, including John. But let's be fair. Blaming him for everything that has happened, and conveying the impression that he has done nothing while all of the problems persisted, just isn't accurate. I know a lot of us have very strong opinions here, to me this is a fair assessment of the situation. What concerns me about the 1st paragraph here is that Siena is all likelihood going to be hiring another basketball coach and the people (it sounds like several of them if they are coming to some sort of consensus) in charge of these decisions, not just the AD have not done a good job here. Also, there is clearly a huge disconnect between the AD and the people making these hires. The biggest question to me is what is going to be different this time around in hiring a new coach.
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Post by Tony on Apr 5, 2018 15:23:25 GMT -5
know a lot of us have very strong opinions here, to me this is a fair assessment of the situation. What concerns me about the 1st paragraph here is that Siena is all likelihood going to be hiring another basketball coach and the people (it sounds like several of them if they are coming to some sort of consensus) in charge of these decisions, not just the AD have not done a good job here. Also, there is clearly a huge disconnect between the AD and the people making these hires. The biggest question to me is what is going to be different this time around in hiring a new coach. It is very concerning. D’Argenio has struggled picking coaches( on both men and womens side.) Saints 22 is just trying to be the loyal soldier here. Darg had a lot more than just passing interest in hiring Jimmy. I'm not sure how any Siena fan could have confidence in a search headed up by John D’Argenio. To be fair we should hold Darg to his own standard he expressed when Jimmy was hired "You're always judged on how your most prominent sports perform," D'Argenio said. "That's fair. I should be judged like any coach or administrator." If you judge John by the way he requested, you have no choice but to conclude John is unfit for the job as Siena AD or to head this potential coaching search. Darg MUST GO and most of all he should NOT be involved in this coaching search
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Post by glen on Apr 6, 2018 7:00:22 GMT -5
I don’t know who picked which coaches but D’Arg clearly did the contract extension.
As for vaca policies, as a salaried employees Jimmy isn’t entitled to much of anything. How many white collar workers lose vaca time at the end of the year? Lots. No sympathy on that front.
They better get this right now.
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Post by dmb88888 on Apr 6, 2018 19:30:49 GMT -5
Agree Silas ran as he berated him in practice relating to his origin. That personality worked 20 years ago not today where everything is personal Spot on! He was heavily medicated and bursting through the meds at Loyola and JD took a chance on him. Probably the same environment at Loyola under a smaller scope. The accusation with the per diems in Charleston tells alot. >400 $$$ with the team?
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Post by hoopdad on Apr 7, 2018 15:55:27 GMT -5
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Post by CellarRat on Apr 7, 2018 16:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by dmb88888 on Apr 7, 2018 17:05:53 GMT -5
I don’t know who picked which coaches but D’Arg clearly did the contract extension. As for vaca policies, as a salaried employees Jimmy isn’t entitled to much of anything. How many white collar workers lose vaca time at the end of the year? Lots. No sympathy on that front. They better get this right now. I agree and think that we all need to step back and look at our program and the landscape of college hoops.I give JD credit for 1 hire and we all know that's Fran. Thing is recruiting to Siena should be a cinch with a coach with an ounce of personality for these reasons: 1. Location: we are in the capital of NY, the northeast. 2. Obviously, our arena, playing every home game in an NBA arena whether we deserve it or not. About 2/3 of our league play in HS gyms, but still out recruit us. 3. Program $$$. We travel and have a nice endowment. 4. Education is very good and internationally known. That said, watching conferences, others that are 1 bid leagues, I continue to see mid major bigs and wing and heck, guards that have talent that we cant recruit. These kids play in conferences that are ranked 5-8 below the MAC. We play in the MAC and recruit like mud level America East. No excuse. With that said, the momentum we had with Fran here and even with leaving, we missed opportunities.Mitch wasnt the direction to go into, this job was red hot and the program was red hot. We had a chance to jump to a conference like the A10, but nope. Why not? We have rhe city population, the facility,had the coach, and why not? If the Bonnies,Fordham,Duquesne, and even Dayton can do it, why can't we? JD not only didn't advance the program when opportunity arose, he didn't maintain.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 8, 2018 7:08:10 GMT -5
I don’t know who picked which coaches but D’Arg clearly did the contract extension. As for vaca policies, as a salaried employees Jimmy isn’t entitled to much of anything. How many white collar workers lose vaca time at the end of the year? Lots. No sympathy on that front. They better get this right now. I agree and think that we all need to step back and look at our program and the landscape of college hoops.I give JD credit for 1 hire and we all know that's Fran. Thing is recruiting to Siena should be a cinch with a coach with an ounce of personality for these reasons: 1. Location: we are in the capital of NY, the northeast. 2. Obviously, our arena, playing every home game in an NBA arena whether we deserve it or not. About 2/3 of our league play in HS gyms, but still out recruit us. 3. Program $$$. We travel and have a nice endowment. 4. Education is very good and internationally known. That said, watching conferences, others that are 1 bid leagues, I continue to see mid major bigs and wing and heck, guards that have talent that we cant recruit. These kids play in conferences that are ranked 5-8 below the MAC. We play in the MAC and recruit like mud level America East. No excuse. With that said, the momentum we had with Fran here and even with leaving, we missed opportunities.Mitch wasnt the direction to go into, this job was red hot and the program was red hot. We had a chance to jump to a conference like the A10, but nope. Why not? We have rhe city population, the facility,had the coach, and why not? If the Bonnies,Fordham,Duquesne, and even Dayton can do it, why can't we? JD not only didn't advance the program when opportunity arose, he didn't maintain. You play in the maac not the Mac and you wish you recruited like the top ae programs. Albany and Vermont just ate your lunch on the recruiting trail with lamb, desousa etc. Lol
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Post by olddave on Apr 8, 2018 7:27:37 GMT -5
Here’s the question of the day. Since the JP question won’t be answered til at least tomorrow Who Pissed Click off. Sort of where’s Waldo. Man is posting on every thread. Most of not all UA comments are positive , he is really going off. Well always said opinions are like A_____ everybody has one.
Calm down click , give yourself a stroke.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 8, 2018 11:54:57 GMT -5
Here’s the question of the day. Since the JP question won’t be answered til at least tomorrow Who Pissed Click off. Sort of where’s Waldo. Man is posting on every thread. Most of not all UA comments are positive , he is really going off. Well always said opinions are like A_____ everybody has one. Calm down click , give yourself a stroke. David, check yourself before you wreck yourself!
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Post by legacy on Apr 8, 2018 12:15:54 GMT -5
I agree and think that we all need to step back and look at our program and the landscape of college hoops.I give JD credit for 1 hire and we all know that's Fran. Thing is recruiting to Siena should be a cinch with a coach with an ounce of personality for these reasons: 1. Location: we are in the capital of NY, the northeast. 2. Obviously, our arena, playing every home game in an NBA arena whether we deserve it or not. About 2/3 of our league play in HS gyms, but still out recruit us. 3. Program $$$. We travel and have a nice endowment. 4. Education is very good and internationally known. That said, watching conferences, others that are 1 bid leagues, I continue to see mid major bigs and wing and heck, guards that have talent that we cant recruit. These kids play in conferences that are ranked 5-8 below the MAC. We play in the MAC and recruit like mud level America East. No excuse. With that said, the momentum we had with Fran here and even with leaving, we missed opportunities.Mitch wasnt the direction to go into, this job was red hot and the program was red hot. We had a chance to jump to a conference like the A10, but nope. Why not? We have rhe city population, the facility,had the coach, and why not? If the Bonnies,Fordham,Duquesne, and even Dayton can do it, why can't we? JD not only didn't advance the program when opportunity arose, he didn't maintain. You play in the maac not the Mac and you wish you recruited like the top ae programs. Albany and Vermont just ate your lunch on the recruiting trail with lamb, desousa etc. Lol
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Post by legacy on Apr 8, 2018 12:17:51 GMT -5
true Click -but we all know how this season worked out for Vermont. Also, that one golden PIG win for UA is super impressive.
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Post by siena95 on Apr 8, 2018 12:34:37 GMT -5
anyone know how many total sports programs are at siena and then how many teams actually have winning records this year? Looks like very few.
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