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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 12:01:43 GMT -5
I find this "looking in the window of a pet shop for just the right new puppy" activity you recruiting geeks are efforting to be both comical and sobering at the same time. Let's say he lands 2 or 3 of his so-called "targets" - great, welcome to Siena, go get a practice uni and I'll see you in September...almost all recruits evolve from "prime target" to "landed a good kid" to "kid is a project" to "maybe he can get a few minutes until he screws up" and then back to practice eval ... not seeing a major win change just with addition by subtraction... Here's the question/dilemma - what makes any of you think So-so's coaching style/abilities will change from his "happy to be at or near 0.500" habits...do you think he has the X's and O'x smarts to revamp the vaunted Siena offense? I don't recall one game this past season where anyone made any "nice adjustment" coach comments and certainly there were no accolades presented for his scouting/game plan "efforts" - it was, pure and simple - same old, same old So-so, let's watch 'em practice and decide our next starting lineup... 1st off. Don't lecture me about Jimmy's in game coaching like I don't know. I am most assuredly the leader of his critics during 'in game' threads when you consider both forums. 2nd, continued and ongoing negativity doesn't do anyone any good so why do we need to rehash it OVER and OVER and OVER everyday for the next 8 months? Jimmy has strengths and weaknesses like any other coach. There are strengths... However, he often struggles to take them up to that highest tier level due to certain decisions. Last year, was a culmination of all his recruiting woes up to this point. He put together a team without a clear vision. And it was a team that was also young because of prior poor recruiting decisions and always heavily reliant on Nico's leadership. Once Nico fell thru as a leader, so did the team's hopes. Jimmy is far from perfect but he very well could land a couple key players here that could be the right missing pieces to fill around what he already has...in order to at least get them back to top 5 contention. Jimmy has been in the top 5 in the MAAC in 6 of the last 8 years. That's a fact. If the administration is sticking with him and he's still the coach, then I'm not going to sabotage him...and I'm going to support the goal of turning around this past year's debacle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 12:23:07 GMT -5
I find this "looking in the window of a pet shop for just the right new puppy" activity you recruiting geeks are efforting to be both comical and sobering at the same time. Let's say he lands 2 or 3 of his so-called "targets" - great, welcome to Siena, go get a practice uni and I'll see you in September...almost all recruits evolve from "prime target" to "landed a good kid" to "kid is a project" to "maybe he can get a few minutes until he screws up" and then back to practice eval ... not seeing a major win change just with addition by subtraction... Here's the question/dilemma - what makes any of you think So-so's coaching style/abilities will change from his "happy to be at or near 0.500" habits...do you think he has the X's and O'x smarts to revamp the vaunted Siena offense? I don't recall one game this past season where anyone made any "nice adjustment" coach comments and certainly there were no accolades presented for his scouting/game plan "efforts" - it was, pure and simple - same old, same old So-so, let's watch 'em practice and decide our next starting lineup... 1st off. Don't lecture me about Jimmy's in game coaching like I don't know. I am most assuredly the leader of his critics during 'in game' threads when you consider both forums. 2nd, continued and ongoing negativity doesn't do anyone any good so why do we need to rehash it OVER and OVER and OVER everyday for the next 8 months? Jimmy has strengths and weaknesses like any other coach. There are strengths... However, he often struggles to take them up to that highest tier level due to certain decisions. Last year, was a culmination of all his recruiting woes up to this point. He put together a team without a clear vision. And it was a team that was also young because of prior poor recruiting decisions and always heavily reliant on Nico's leadership. Once Nico fell thru as a leader, so did the team's hopes. Jimmy is far from perfect but he very well could land a couple key players here that could be the right missing pieces to fill around what he already has...in order to at least get them back to top 5 contention. Jimmy has been in the top 5 in the MAAC in 6 of the last 8 years. That's a fact. If the administration is sticking with him and he's still the coach, then I'm not going to sabotage him...and I'm going to support the goal of turning around this past year's debacle. My, my...we seem a wee bit sensitive...statistically speaking, you are probably due for a little tantrum...I'm retired now and don't give lectures anymore...or any less, I guess. In keeping with the spirit of your post - DON'T point your little finger at me, I wasn't addressing my general comment to you alone...now go do a regression analysis and get your head and attitude away from the mean...pun intended...OBTW, it's impossible to sabotage a ship already sunk and on the bottom...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 12:42:01 GMT -5
1st off. Don't lecture me about Jimmy's in game coaching like I don't know. I am most assuredly the leader of his critics during 'in game' threads when you consider both forums. 2nd, continued and ongoing negativity doesn't do anyone any good so why do we need to rehash it OVER and OVER and OVER everyday for the next 8 months? Jimmy has strengths and weaknesses like any other coach. There are strengths... However, he often struggles to take them up to that highest tier level due to certain decisions. Last year, was a culmination of all his recruiting woes up to this point. He put together a team without a clear vision. And it was a team that was also young because of prior poor recruiting decisions and always heavily reliant on Nico's leadership. Once Nico fell thru as a leader, so did the team's hopes. Jimmy is far from perfect but he very well could land a couple key players here that could be the right missing pieces to fill around what he already has...in order to at least get them back to top 5 contention. Jimmy has been in the top 5 in the MAAC in 6 of the last 8 years. That's a fact. If the administration is sticking with him and he's still the coach, then I'm not going to sabotage him...and I'm going to support the goal of turning around this past year's debacle. My, my...we seem a wee bit sensitive...statistically speaking, you are probably due for a little tantrum...I'm retired now and don't give lectures anymore...or any less, I guess. In keeping with the spirit of your post - DON'T point your little finger at me, I wasn't addressing my general comment to you alone...now go do a regression analysis and get your head and attitude away from the mean...pun intended...OBTW, it's impossible to sabotage a ship already sunk and on the bottom... Look at it this way. If you're on the bottom, there's only one place to go: UP. Big smiles. Don't worry. If Jimmy doesn't land some combo of players that provides some semblence of hope, maybe I'll take the year off and you all can have at it.
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Post by james on Mar 27, 2018 15:43:15 GMT -5
I am patiently waiting for Welch and Timberlake!Now that I know when the late signing period begins I can still be hopeful knowing those two have not signed with any other school at this point.GO SAINTS!!
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Post by sienafan1480 on Mar 27, 2018 15:59:22 GMT -5
We don’t even know who is the coach for next year. Siena needs to shit or get off the pot by the end of the week. It has been eerily quiet the last two weeks after JP was making those bizarre proclamations. And don’t give me “muh D’Arg said they were committed to JP in mid February”. He’s been asked at least twice since then and said no comment. They obviously are trying like hell to get rid of him and anyone with half a brain can clearly see that. Whether or not it happens remains to be seen but if they can’t ditch him then they need to get behind him for the upcoming season and help recruiting. Holy Crap! I know I am not more then a lurker on this board, and MTS is a passionate fan, but can someone please calm him down until after the signing period!! He is going to complain and complain about the lack of recruits, but sabotage efforts to bring in quality ones. It just doesn't relate to me. Not a huge Jimmy fan, thought he probably would have been replaced, but he hasn't been. Rooting against the program you love, does not make any sense to me
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Post by th24 on Mar 27, 2018 16:05:11 GMT -5
I am patiently waiting for Welch and Timberlake!Now that I know when the late signing period begins I can still be hopeful knowing those two have not signed with any other school at this point.GO SAINTS!! Hopefully some ex-players have contacted them or their representatives and told them “ Siena is GREAT place” “ “At their talent level you will start and win the MAAC!”
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 27, 2018 16:25:48 GMT -5
I am patiently waiting for Welch and Timberlake!Now that I know when the late signing period begins I can still be hopeful knowing those two have not signed with any other school at this point.GO SAINTS!! Hopefully some ex-players have contacted them or their representatives and told them “ Siena is GREAT place” “ “At their talent level you will start and win the MAAC!” Some ex-players from the Fran era hopefully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 16:29:08 GMT -5
Hopefully some ex-players have contacted them or their representatives and told them “ Siena is GREAT place” “ “At their talent level you will start and win the MAAC!” Some ex-players from the Fran era hopefully. Isn't that illegal? If MTS was ever a season ticket holder or an alum and he tweeted a recruit like he does, that would be a recruiting violation. Having other alums do similar might be the same thing.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 27, 2018 16:33:44 GMT -5
Some ex-players from the Fran era hopefully. Isn't that illegal? If MTS was ever a season ticket holder or an alum and he tweeted a recruit like he does, that would be a recruiting violation. Having other alums do similar might be the same thing. Yes, I believe you’re correct.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 27, 2018 17:22:38 GMT -5
Isn't that illegal? If MTS was ever a season ticket holder or an alum and he tweeted a recruit like he does, that would be a recruiting violation. Having other alums do similar might be the same thing. Yes, I believe you’re correct. . But everybody does it, so it’s sort of like faulting patsos for running kids off.
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Post by blockhead43 on Mar 30, 2018 11:28:15 GMT -5
I don't follow recruiting all that much, but I know two very talented local kids who may be available. Elijah Burns will graduate from ND this semester. It seems the Irish are bringing in other big men and Burns may be looking for a grad school opportunity. He has two years eligibility remaining because of a redshirt season after leg surgery. Anthony Mack is also coming home from Wyoming. He missed the entire season because of concussions and the family is looking to get him healthy. He would have to sit a year, but with a medical hardship, he could have four years remaining. Chasing kids in California is fine, but why overlook the potential layups in your own backyard? Has anyone heard if Siena and/or the kids are interested?
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Post by goldsaint17 on Mar 30, 2018 11:57:59 GMT -5
I don't follow recruiting all that much, but I know two very talented local kids who may be available. Elijah Burns will graduate from ND this semester. It seems the Irish are bringing in other big men and Burns may be looking for a grad school opportunity. He has two years eligibility remaining because of a redshirt season after leg surgery. Anthony Mack is also coming home from Wyoming. He missed the entire season because of concussions and the family is looking to get him healthy. He would have to sit a year, but with a medical hardship, he could have four years remaining. Chasing kids in California is fine, but why overlook the potential layups in your own backyard? Has anyone heard if Siena and/or the kids are interested? We won’t have the MBA program until fall of 2019, so Burns potentially grad transferring to Siena would be a no-go. Mack is interesting, he isn’t as strongly tied to the capital region as some posters think and one of his former coaches is now at Albany I believe, so if he is coming back to the area my guess is it would be there. I was told the staff would look into Mack but the more pressing need on scholarships is guys who can help right away. This is one of my frustrations of potentially entering a do-or-die year for JP. When recruiting, you have to play the long game. However, Patsos isn’t in a position to take a sit-out transfer unless he’s a program-changer. Winning 12 games but pointing at the guy sitting out coming next year won’t keep JP’s job. He’s got to win and he’s got to win now, and he’s going to have to hope that the freshmen he brings in can make big impacts right away and the rising sophomores make a jump.
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Post by blockhead43 on Mar 30, 2018 12:16:55 GMT -5
Well, that certainly makes sense. Thanks for the info.
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