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Post by OneIndian on Mar 6, 2018 16:53:44 GMT -5
We did under Dean Paul and Fran And they left. It is not only about winning, it is about retaining coaches and attracting/hiring good ones, when the winners leave for bigger and better jobs. Some on here want to compare Siena to Gonzaga or Butler. I am a huge Saints fan, but the programs are not even close. My point is there are very few if any schools like Siena who retain successful coaches for an extended period of time and win for an extended period of time at D1 men's hoops. That however is not an excuse for the god awful tenures of Mitch and Jimmy. Things are obviously broken and need to be fixed quickly to get the Saints back on track. How about Davidson ......
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Post by Tony on Mar 6, 2018 17:02:08 GMT -5
Davidson, Butler and even Xavier similar type schools, Gonzaga, St Josephs , Bonaventure ( which went thru its own period of mismanagement) St Mary’s are a few off the top of my head – while Xavier butler and Gonzaga may no longer be considered mid majors- they were a few years ago. What most of these schools have in common is strong AD’s—same can be said of big public school mid majors- they replace coaches with other good coaches, don’t dramatically alter style of play, type of player they recruit no matter who the coach is - vast majority of mid majors would kill for Siena’s fan base to grow their programs- Siena has all the ingredients - arena, practice facility, fan base, media coverage, not a pro town to be a dominant mid major- because of mis management it has never been realized. Maybe the school doesn’t want that, I don’t know but either way it’s not working - the program is a absolute mess right now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 17:17:21 GMT -5
I posted on the other board. I'd be ok with that. St. Thomas Acquinas beat LeMoyne....just sayin'. . I don’t look at the other board so my apologies in advance if I repeat something. Not you repeating. I usually say that when there's concurrent threads on the same topic on both boards. Sometimes things are so nice, I post them twice.
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Post by loudonville9 on Mar 6, 2018 17:34:43 GMT -5
I've been eagerly awaiting any coach/AD change hoping to send Siena a donation check. It will be a small drop in the bucket of any potential buyout, but at this point they need to be treated like a St. Bernard in training. Please stop peeing on the rug and I'll give you a treat with the smallest positive move.
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Post by glen on Mar 6, 2018 18:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 6, 2018 18:12:01 GMT -5
We did under Dean Paul and Fran And they left. It is not only about winning, it is about retaining coaches and attracting/hiring good ones, when the winners leave for bigger and better jobs. Some on here want to compare Siena to Gonzaga or Butler. I am a huge Saints fan, but the programs are not even close. My point is there are very few if any schools like Siena who retain successful coaches for an extended period of time and win for an extended period of time at D1 men's hoops. That however is not an excuse for the god awful tenures of Mitch and Jimmy. Things are obviously broken and need to be fixed quickly to get the Saints back on track. Hoopdad, you’re wrong and Siena basketball history proves it. If a coach is hired is successful and leaves after 4,5 or 6 years, god bless him. It’s time to reload. That’s the AD’s job. Better than the current situation. I don’t understand your logic. Actually I do, it’s illogical.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 6, 2018 18:34:26 GMT -5
We did under Dean Paul and Fran And they left. It is not only about winning, it is about retaining coaches and attracting/hiring good ones, when the winners leave for bigger and better jobs. Some on here want to compare Siena to Gonzaga or Butler. I am a huge Saints fan, but the programs are not even close. My point is there are very few if any schools like Siena who retain successful coaches for an extended period of time and win for an extended period of time at D1 men's hoops. That however is not an excuse for the god awful tenures of Mitch and Jimmy. Things are obviously broken and need to be fixed quickly to get the Saints back on track. hiring good coaches AND properly managing the program form the AD side........Siena could ABSOLUTELY do what UVM & Iona have done..................UVM has gone through 2 coaching changes, no slippage their..........
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 6, 2018 19:01:16 GMT -5
And they left. It is not only about winning, it is about retaining coaches and attracting/hiring good ones, when the winners leave for bigger and better jobs. Some on here want to compare Siena to Gonzaga or Butler. I am a huge Saints fan, but the programs are not even close. My point is there are very few if any schools like Siena who retain successful coaches for an extended period of time and win for an extended period of time at D1 men's hoops. That however is not an excuse for the god awful tenures of Mitch and Jimmy. Things are obviously broken and need to be fixed quickly to get the Saints back on track. hiring good coaches AND properly managing the program form the AD side........Siena could ABSOLUTELY do what UVM & Iona have done..................UVM has gone through 2 coaching changes, no slippage their.......... Siena obviously does not have what all these programs have that each of you has offered up... a strong AD and administration that understands the importance of it's basketball program to is College/University, the community, it's fan base and alumni; the ability to consistently hire a quality coach who keeps the winning tradition going; and the ability to adjust swiftly when things are going in the wrong direction. Did not realize I had to spell it out for some of you. Siena's blueprint/history has been a roller coaster ride of ups and downs since the program turned D1. So disagree with you who say Siena is it's own best model and proven blueprint. They have been very inconsistent over the years. This latest downturn has been way to long... time to clean house and get the coaster heading skyward again... Is that black and white enough and spelled out enough for you CellarRat? I am glad Tony and some others get it on here.
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Post by hooligan on Mar 6, 2018 19:11:39 GMT -5
It's really annoying that they extended his contract by so much. It's crazy. You want to reward him for winning the CBI in year one...fine...give him a bonus. Way to soon to extend for a losing regular season. You want to reward him for coming in 3rd in year 3 after a horrible year 2...fine...give him a bonus. Years 2 & 4 he underperformed the coaches' poll significantly..so really he should have had no more than 1 year left at this point if they knew what they were doing. Siena is run by complete dopes. I posted it before Fran was not extended until after he beat Ohio State. JP was 52-51 with three years left and D'Arg added two more. For what? Let that sink in. Someone needs to get swung. If we can’t get rid of that lazy embarrassment then the school should box up D’arg and send him out for extending and guaranteeing the contract. It would give the new AD a year to assess the situation and get a list of candidates together.
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Post by knicksaint on Mar 6, 2018 19:13:04 GMT -5
He had two years left and three were added. Even worse. I thought it was two? Original 5 year deal... add one after CBI title back to 5 .... 2 years pass - now down to 3 and plus 2 total 5....currently at 3 www.sienasaints.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041416aaa.htmlAs far as hoping to have a Mark Few.... Fran was the only chance for that. And at least Siena tried to make it happen (Giving Fran 8 years for around $600K a year). But it's impossible to compete with football schools and their money. Well, that just means that D'Arg screwed up on the original contract as well by giving him five years rather than four.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 6, 2018 19:17:20 GMT -5
hiring good coaches AND properly managing the program form the AD side........Siena could ABSOLUTELY do what UVM & Iona have done..................UVM has gone through 2 coaching changes, no slippage their.......... Siena obviously does not have what all these programs have that each of you has offered up... a strong AD and administration that understands the importance of it's basketball program to is College/University, the community, it's fan base and alumni; the ability to consistently hire a quality coach who keeps the winning tradition going; and the ability to adjust swiftly when things are going in the wrong direction. Did not realize I had to spell it out for some of you. Siena's blueprint/history has been a roller coaster ride of ups and downs since the program turned D1. So disagree with you who say Siena is it's own best model and proven blueprint. They have been very inconsistent over the years. This latest downturn has been way to long... time to clean house and get the coaster heading skyward again... Is that black and white enough and spelled out enough for you CellarRat? I am glad Tony and some others get it on here. I think you responded to my post but you were actually answering another poster (CellarRat), lol............oh well, I do feel the AD & selection of coaches is what is holding Siena back..........they have EVERYTHING ELSE IN PLACE to be very successful, that is the frustrating part...........
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Post by legacy on Mar 6, 2018 19:20:33 GMT -5
I think D'Arg and company hate the coaching carousel. They want to lock someone in or find a "Mark Few" in the rough. The flaw in the logic is that no good/great coach is going to lock in at a MAAC school. Gonzaga shouldn't be the model, Butler and Xavier should be the model. Reward excellence, quickly terminate failures and reload. Hopefully Siena can come to a reasonable agreement with Jimmy. I don't think he's a bad guy. I felt the same about Mitch. i agree with your first paragraph-but strongly disagree with the second....JP is NOT a good guy...good guys don't have rumors attached to them like he does... even if only half are true, he's despicable
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 6, 2018 19:25:06 GMT -5
hiring good coaches AND properly managing the program form the AD side........Siena could ABSOLUTELY do what UVM & Iona have done..................UVM has gone through 2 coaching changes, no slippage their.......... Siena obviously does not have what all these programs have that each of you has offered up... a strong AD and administration that understands the importance of it's basketball program to is College/University, the community, it's fan base and alumni; the ability to consistently hire a quality coach who keeps the winning tradition going; and the ability to adjust swiftly when things are going in the wrong direction. Did not realize I had to spell it out for some of you. Siena's blueprint/history has been a roller coaster ride of ups and downs since the program turned D1. So disagree with you who say Siena is it's own best model and proven blueprint. They have been very inconsistent over the years. This latest downturn has been way to long... time to clean house and get the coaster heading skyward again... Is that black and white enough and spelled out enough for you CellarRat? I am glad Tony and some others get it on here. Yes, you get it. Just keep changing your story until it’s similar to mine. And then you got it. Siena can be a very very solid mid major. No excuses. The good years are not aberrations, if you believe that you should share a drink with JP.
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Post by olddave on Mar 6, 2018 19:32:37 GMT -5
hiring good coaches AND properly managing the program form the AD side........Siena could ABSOLUTELY do what UVM & Iona have done..................UVM has gone through 2 coaching changes, no slippage their.......... Siena obviously does not have what all these programs have that each of you has offered up... a strong AD and administration that understands the importance of it's basketball program to is College/University, the community, it's fan base and alumni; the ability to consistently hire a quality coach who keeps the winning tradition going; and the ability to adjust swiftly when things are going in the wrong direction. Did not realize I had to spell it out for some of you. Siena's blueprint/history has been a roller coaster ride of ups and downs since the program turned D1. So disagree with you who say Siena is it's own best model and proven blueprint. They have been very inconsistent over the years. This latest downturn has been way to long... time to clean house and get the coaster heading skyward again... Is that black and white enough and spelled out enough for you CellarRat? I am glad Tony and some others get it on here. Totally agree with the first sentence. Siena does not have strong management. They don’t understand how the B.B. can help the school. 8 years ago they had a mission statement using the program to promote the school, obviously was changed or more likely mismanaged. D1 hoop is constantly evolving. Most of the evolution is for the worse but if you want to play D1 you play by the rules. To compete D1 Siena cannot, either the admin or fans live in the past. I personally don’t want to see it but if our grad rate goes down but the program goes back to,its former glory days it would be good for the school, financely applications up as well as marketing. In business you take the good with the bad and the school like it,or not is a business.
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Post by Papi on Mar 6, 2018 19:50:54 GMT -5
4:50 PT and still no word?
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