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Post by knicksaint on Mar 6, 2018 15:38:27 GMT -5
He had two years left and three were added. Even worse.
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Post by glen on Mar 6, 2018 15:41:50 GMT -5
I think D'Arg and company hate the coaching carousel. They want to lock someone in or find a "Mark Few" in the rough. The flaw in the logic is that no good/great coach is going to lock in at a MAAC school. Gonzaga shouldn't be the model, Butler and Xavier should be the model. Reward excellence, quickly terminate failures and reload.
Hopefully Siena can come to a reasonable agreement with Jimmy. I don't think he's a bad guy. I felt the same about Mitch.
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Post by MTS on Mar 6, 2018 15:44:53 GMT -5
He had two years left and three were added. Even worse. I thought it was two? Original 5 year deal... add one after CBI title back to 5 .... 2 years pass - now down to 3 and plus 2 total 5....currently at 3 www.sienasaints.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041416aaa.htmlAs far as hoping to have a Mark Few.... Fran was the only chance for that. And at least Siena tried to make it happen (Giving Fran 8 years for around $600K a year). But it's impossible to compete with football schools and their money.
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Post by diamonddog on Mar 6, 2018 15:48:42 GMT -5
Take a hit on the salary, Demo D'Arg. How is the College's credit rating?
You want to save the program? END IT- this lunacy has to end. There are much better options than Jimbob.
Get him out of there- no way this team wins double what they did this year. They will probably win the same or less amount of games- hell, Marist with a new coach will beat Jimbob's teams pretty hard next year. Mark my words.
Can't wait to see the players that want to leave the program because of Jimbob. Does D'Argenio notice that?
Jimbob only cares about Jimbob. That's it, and it is sad.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 6, 2018 15:56:03 GMT -5
How about Tobin Anderson and Jimmy Patsos swap programs. Man I feel bad for those diii kids already but I feel good for Siena even more so let’s get it done. I posted on the other board. I'd be ok with that. St. Thomas Acquinas beat LeMoyne....just sayin'. . I don’t look at the other board so my apologies in advance if I repeat something.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 6, 2018 16:13:19 GMT -5
I think D'Arg and company hate the coaching carousel. They want to lock someone in or find a "Mark Few" in the rough. The flaw in the logic is that no good/great coach is going to lock in at a MAAC school. Gonzaga shouldn't be the model, Butler and Xavier should be the model. Reward excellence, quickly terminate failures and reload. Hopefully Siena can come to a reasonable agreement with Jimmy. I don't think he's a bad guy. I felt the same about Mitch. Keep dreaming.... Mark Few Gonzaga University Bulldogs 2016-2017 Season Compensation: $1.6 million Never going to happen at Siena. I think the best you can hope for in the MAAC for coaching longevity is someone like Mihalich, and not sure the Siena faithful would be satisfied with a coach like him.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 6, 2018 16:13:50 GMT -5
DArg should be completely embarrassed over these extensions and as soon as this Patsos debacle is rectified he and anyone involved with approving them should come under scrutiny. That should never ever happen at this level especially when you consider Patsos performance did not warrant it.....
Siena’s in a tough spot everyone pretty much knows Patsos is persona non grata ... everyone - players,recruits HS / AAU coaches, other college programs his staff/assistants. How does the program continue with Patsos as it’s HC? The jig is up!
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 6, 2018 16:18:18 GMT -5
I think D'Arg and company hate the coaching carousel. They want to lock someone in or find a "Mark Few" in the rough. The flaw in the logic is that no good/great coach is going to lock in at a MAAC school. Gonzaga shouldn't be the model, Butler and Xavier should be the model. Reward excellence, quickly terminate failures and reload. Hopefully Siena can come to a reasonable agreement with Jimmy. I don't think he's a bad guy. I felt the same about Mitch. Keep dreaming.... Mark Few Gonzaga University Bulldogs 2016-2017 Season Compensation: $1.6 million Never going to happen at Siena. I think the best you can hope for in the MAAC for coaching longevity is someone like Mihalich, and not sure the Siena faithful would be satisfied with a coach like him. I’ll take UVM
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 6, 2018 16:27:25 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too.
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Post by MTS on Mar 6, 2018 16:28:38 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too. They’re also in a weaker league. How about Iona?
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 6, 2018 16:33:21 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too. They’re also in a weaker league. How about Iona? I would only want to compare Siena to Iona when it comes to winning and putting competitive teams on the floor each and every season. Otherwise there is nothing about the Gaels program that I would want the Saints to strive for.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 6, 2018 16:37:55 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too. STOP, UVM has ZERO advantages over Siena with resources..........they have now won 20 or more games in 15 of the last 17 seasons..............Iona has now won 20 or more games in 8 straight seasons..................again, the "infrastructure" is already in place for Siena to be on a level of winning every yr (and again that doesn't mean they qualify for the big dance every yr) should be realized, should they fall short of that, realistically a DOWN yr at Siena would be a .500 record, not single digits...........the mismanagement from the AD & poor coaching choices have held this program back..................
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 6, 2018 16:39:51 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too. STOP, UVM has ZERO advantages over Siena with resources..........they have now won 20 or more games in 15 of the last 17 seasons..............Iona has now won 20 or more games in 8 straight seasons..................again, the "infrastructure" is already in place for Siena to be on a level of winning every yr (and again that doesn't mean they qualify for the big dance every yr) should be realized, should they fall short of that, realistically a DOWN yr at Siena would be a .500 record, not single digits...........the mismanagement from the AD & poor coaching choices have held this program back.................. And the comparable D1 programs we should hold Siena standard too is? Come on GG4E, is it that hard of a question to answer?
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 6, 2018 16:43:12 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too. We’re our own model just look at Mike Paul and Fran we proved we could be successful....stop the botched hires. Most knew Mitch and Patsos were poor selections. Why didn’t the College? Fran had this program rolling in the right direction those hires killed any momentum we had!
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 6, 2018 16:48:00 GMT -5
UVM is a public university with almost 12,000 students. As Siena fans we need to be reasonable when trying to compare the Saints program to other schools. Number of students (number of alumni), public vs private, location/market all come into play. What private, catholic colleges of Siena's size in a market of Albany's size, have won consistently and retained a quality coach for an extended period of time in D1 men's basketball? Those, if they exist, should be the programs we compare Siena too. We did under Dean Paul and Fran And they left. It is not only about winning, it is about retaining coaches and attracting/hiring good ones, when the winners leave for bigger and better jobs. Some on here want to compare Siena to Gonzaga or Butler. I am a huge Saints fan, but the programs are not even close. My point is there are very few if any schools like Siena who retain successful coaches for an extended period of time and win for an extended period of time at D1 men's hoops. That however is not an excuse for the god awful tenures of Mitch and Jimmy. Things are obviously broken and need to be fixed quickly to get the Saints back on track.
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