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Post by Quackman on Dec 29, 2017 16:04:05 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this information. It backs up some of my previous posts regarding the high level of transfer in D1 Men's basketball. Very insightful and show that the Siena program is typical of what is going on today. Do not like it, but it is what it is. while all of this is true..............how do you look upon JP telling 2 players this yr to their face, that they will not be in the regular rotation, and may not see many minutes the entire yr (this coming from inside the lockerroom)................seems to me that is a bit contradictory to where we think transfers develop.......there is a major accountability on the one who brings these kids into a program, with nurturing/developing as part of the process......not everyone can be a star but pulling the rug from under student athletes is not what Siena is all about.............. and you don't think Fran had those same conversations with Braga, Osby, Diop and Carr? And Priestly for that matter (who stayed around). Every coach in D1 does that.
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Post by greengold4ever on Dec 29, 2017 16:09:54 GMT -5
while all of this is true..............how do you look upon JP telling 2 players this yr to their face, that they will not be in the regular rotation, and may not see many minutes the entire yr (this coming from inside the lockerroom)................seems to me that is a bit contradictory to where we think transfers develop.......there is a major accountability on the one who brings these kids into a program, with nurturing/developing as part of the process......not everyone can be a star but pulling the rug from under student athletes is not what Siena is all about.............. and you don't think Fran had those same conversations with Braga, Osby, Diop and Carr? And Priestly for that matter (who stayed around). Every coach in D1 does that. unless you know, you can't assume what others did or didn't do.........................my example occurred, not to mention ignoring the kids like they were invisible.........
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 29, 2017 17:05:17 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this information. It backs up some of my previous posts regarding the high level of transfer in D1 Men's basketball. Very insightful and show that the Siena program is typical of what is going on today. Do not like it, but it is what it is. while all of this is true..............how do you look upon JP telling 2 players this yr to their face, that they will not be in the regular rotation, and may not see many minutes the entire yr (this coming from inside the lockerroom)................seems to me that is a bit contradictory to where we think transfers develop.......there is a major accountability on the one who brings these kids into a program, with nurturing/developing as part of the process......not everyone can be a star but pulling the rug from under student athletes is not what Siena is all about.............. Horrible for team morale as well
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2017 19:58:25 GMT -5
So 40% (or 5 kids on a roster) end up transferring, but here's all the babies acting like it's only a "Siena problem." THIS is why people dont like Siena fans. Like we're above it, or something?! IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. Deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 20:04:48 GMT -5
So 40% (or 5 kids on a roster) end up transferring, but here's all the babies acting like it's only a "Siena problem." THIS is why people dont like Siena fans. Like we're above it, or something?! IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. Deal with it. So, using your numbers that you say are happening everywhere, that translates to 1685 players each year moving somewhere else AND OUR STAFF CAN'T FIND MORE THAN ONE OR TWO TOP QUALITY PLAYRS -- give me a f'n break Junkie, you've been watching FOX News so much your brain, or what's left of it, is scrambled....
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2017 20:07:02 GMT -5
So 40% (or 5 kids on a roster) end up transferring, but here's all the babies acting like it's only a "Siena problem." THIS is why people dont like Siena fans. Like we're above it, or something?! IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. Deal with it. So, using your numbers that you say are happening everywhere, that translates to 1685 players each year moving somewhere else AND OUR STAFF CAN'T FIND MORE THAN ONE OR TWO TOP QUALITY PLAYRS -- give me a f'n break Junkie, you've been watching FOX News so much your brain, or what's left of it, is scrambled.... Go watch a Harvey Weinstein movie
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 20:10:07 GMT -5
So, using your numbers that you say are happening everywhere, that translates to 1685 players each year moving somewhere else AND OUR STAFF CAN'T FIND MORE THAN ONE OR TWO TOP QUALITY PLAYRS -- give me a f'n break Junkie, you've been watching FOX News so much your brain, or what's left of it, is scrambled.... Go watch a Harvey Weinstein movie Wow - talk about reaching for a comeback - if I was you, I'd take two aspirins and call your doctor in the am.....
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 29, 2017 21:12:31 GMT -5
So 40% (or 5 kids on a roster) end up transferring, but here's all the babies acting like it's only a "Siena problem." THIS is why people dont like Siena fans. Like we're above it, or something?! IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. Deal with it. PLEASE youre such a fluffer LOL Your boy recruited and coached up this mess. He owns it! Buck stops with the guy cashing the $350k check. FIVE yrs is ample time to build a program. He’s failed miserably! Losing approx half your recruits repeatedly is an issue PERIOD!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 30, 2017 0:22:16 GMT -5
So 40% (or 5 kids on a roster) end up transferring, but here's all the babies acting like it's only a "Siena problem." THIS is why people dont like Siena fans. Like we're above it, or something?! IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. Deal with it. PLEASE youre such a fluffer LOL Your boy recruited and coached up this mess. He owns it! Buck stops with the guy cashing the $350k check. FIVE yrs is ample time to build a program. He’s failed miserably! Losing half your roster repeatedly is an issue PERIOD! Lol, you're the fluffer. He's lost 6 guys (I even went lower than half for you) every year, so name the 24 transfers in his time here. I ll wait....
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 30, 2017 0:24:35 GMT -5
Go watch a Harvey Weinstein movie Wow - talk about reaching for a comeback - if I was you, I'd take two aspirins and call your doctor in the am..... The doctor will give me comebacks that can match your wit?! Lol. At least you're out here during the wins AND losses. A few haters only show up during the losses.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 30, 2017 7:56:47 GMT -5
while all of this is true..............how do you look upon JP telling 2 players this yr to their face, that they will not be in the regular rotation, and may not see many minutes the entire yr (this coming from inside the lockerroom)................seems to me that is a bit contradictory to where we think transfers develop.......there is a major accountability on the one who brings these kids into a program, with nurturing/developing as part of the process......not everyone can be a star but pulling the rug from under student athletes is not what Siena is all about.............. and you don't think Fran had those same conversations with Braga, Osby, Diop and Carr? And Priestly for that matter (who stayed around). Every coach in D1 does that. Fran really screwed Carr the way he was moved out, but never,ever did he make any of them alternate travel plans from the rest of the team or berate them in front of an audience of their peers.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 30, 2017 10:53:18 GMT -5
PLEASE youre such a fluffer LOL Your boy recruited and coached up this mess. He owns it! Buck stops with the guy cashing the $350k check. FIVE yrs is ample time to build a program. He’s failed miserably! Losing half your roster repeatedly is an issue PERIOD! Lol, you're the fluffer. He's lost 6 guys (I even went lower than half for you) every year, so name the 24 transfers in his time here. I ll wait.... That’s not what I meant and you know it..... Ok let’s recap your buddy’s recruiting history while at Siena because apparently you’re in denial or suffering from short term memory loss: 2013/14 Wright Long White Wolfe Cole Lost 3 of 5 or 60% of this recruiting class 2014/15 Brandwijk Gottfried Paige Lost 3 of 3 or 100% of this recruiting class 2015/16 Wormley LaRose Nico Fisher Smithen Degnan Lost 2 of 6 or 33% of this recruiting class Probably will be 4 of 6 (66%) Degnan & Smithen have a year of eligibility but they are about to be persona non grata. 2016/17 - 2017/18 TBD So far your boy has run off 8 of 14 (57%) recruits in the first 3 recruiting classes with more to follow this year. If Smithen and Degnan go 10 of 14 (71%). Outstanding work and errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr slightly higher than the average stated. I did this from memory feel free to correct as needed. I also didn’t include Adu Burdine Brookins JO and Hopper for obvious reasons. BTW got to love the hypocrisy when you’re calling out other posters as “haters”. When it comes to your gametime posts you're pretty damn quick to throw players under the bus and all while giving your buddy a 100% pass. Says quite a bit about your objectivity and where your loyalty lies and for what reasons. You’re so transparent. I’m sure Crickets 🦗 to follow! Note - edited to add Degnan (thanks Tony)
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 31, 2017 1:17:33 GMT -5
Lol, you're the fluffer. He's lost 6 guys (I even went lower than half for you) every year, so name the 24 transfers in his time here. I ll wait.... That’s not what I meant and you know it..... Ok let’s recap your buddy’s recruiting history while at Siena because apparently you’re in denial or suffering from short term memory loss: 2013/14 Wright Long White Wolfe Cole Lost 3 of 5 or 60% of this recruiting class 2014/15 Brandwijk Gottfried Paige Lost 3 of 3 or 100% of this recruiting class 2015/16 Wormley LaRose Nico Fisher Smithen Lost 2 of 5 or 40% of this recruiting class Probably will be 3 of 5 Smithen has a year of eligibility but he's about to be persona non grata. 2016/17 - 2017/18 TBD So far your boy has run off 8 of 13 (62%) recruits in the first 3 recruiting classes with more to follow this year. Outstanding work and errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr slightly higher than the average stated. I did this from memory feel free to correct as needed. I also didn’t include Adu Burdine Brookins JO and Hopper for obvious reasons. BTW got to love the hypocrisy when you’re calling out other posters as “haters”. When it comes to your gametime posts you're pretty damn quick to throw players under the bus and all while giving your buddy a 100% pass. Says quite a bit about your objectivity and where your loyalty lies and for what reasons. You’re so transparent. I’m sure Crickets 🦗 to follow! IF the players play good, I say it, if they play bad I say it during the games. Who played good yesterday? The players will miss 12 shots in a row, and you scream how its the coaches fault? You: "Well he signed them" lol So do you give him credit when a player does well in a game? He signed him too right? See your transparency? It's NEVER the players fault if we lose a game. "Should have coached them to make 60% of their shots!" Funny how anyone that transfers is "run off" when guys like you are on a witch hunt. Not one kid left because he wanted to play more? Move closer to home? Play on the same team as his brother? None of those theories work though right? Always, "Run off."
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Post by Tony on Dec 31, 2017 5:23:04 GMT -5
As long as coach finds a new landing spot for kid, it’s part of the game. And BTW most of this mess was created by NCAA- when they dropped from 15 scholarships down to 13, it helped spread out talent, but it also made it very difficult to carry a recruiting ‘mistake”. When you had 15 rides you could carry that marginal kid, not so much with 13 rides. My only issue is sometimes Jimmy has run off a kid and gave ship to same type kid or sometimes even worse. He should always be looking to upgrade talent level of team (his job depends upon it) Now if you want to say the transfers are due too many recruiting mistakes- then I am more on board. The 2014/15 class of Brandwijk Gottfried Paige( all were D2 or worse players) is not only one of worst Siena classes of all time, it is affecting us big time this year
One Indian dont forget to add Degnan to the 2015/16 class-- as he is about to be run off also
Most of the kids being run off are either marginal( or low level D1 kids) or D2- only kid I was sorry to see go was Wormley. Most of the transfers can be easily attributed to weak and shody recruiting. Looking at transfers ( indictment of weak recruiting) easy to see why Jimmy's job is on the line and why he is a 500 coach at Siena
Look for 2 to 4 players to be run off this year ( my guess 3) in a desperate attempt by Jimmy to up the overall talent level of team. This current Siena team has talent level of high d2 or low D1 team. One indian more I look at his recruiting the more I shake my head, pretty piss poor
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 6:37:20 GMT -5
That’s not what I meant and you know it..... Ok let’s recap your buddy’s recruiting history while at Siena because apparently you’re in denial or suffering from short term memory loss: 2013/14 Wright Long White Wolfe Cole Lost 3 of 5 or 60% of this recruiting class 2014/15 Brandwijk Gottfried Paige Lost 3 of 3 or 100% of this recruiting class 2015/16 Wormley LaRose Nico Fisher Smithen Lost 2 of 5 or 40% of this recruiting class Probably will be 3 of 5 Smithen has a year of eligibility but he's about to be persona non grata. 2016/17 - 2017/18 TBD So far your boy has run off 8 of 13 (62%) recruits in the first 3 recruiting classes with more to follow this year. Outstanding work and errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr slightly higher than the average stated. I did this from memory feel free to correct as needed. I also didn’t include Adu Burdine Brookins JO and Hopper for obvious reasons. BTW got to love the hypocrisy when you’re calling out other posters as “haters”. When it comes to your gametime posts you're pretty damn quick to throw players under the bus and all while giving your buddy a 100% pass. Says quite a bit about your objectivity and where your loyalty lies and for what reasons. You’re so transparent. I’m sure Crickets 🦗 to follow! IF the players play good, I say it, if they play bad I say it during the games. Who played good yesterday? The players will miss 12 shots in a row, and you scream how its the coaches fault? You: "Well he signed them" lol So do you give him credit when a player does well in a game? He signed him too right? See your transparency? It's NEVER the players fault if we lose a game. "Should have coached them to make 60% of their shots!" Funny how anyone that transfers is "run off" when guys like you are on a witch hunt. Not one kid left because he wanted to play more? Move closer to home? Play on the same team as his brother? None of those theories work though right? Always, "Run off."
While I defer to your actual coaching experience and knowledge of the game, I think you are working too hard to deflect any and all accountability away from your buddies and onto the backs of the players. It is very true that even the best players can throw up a clunker - that can be due to many factors, three come to mind right off the top - 1)the kid is just not focused, 2)the kid is not in synch with the game plan, and 3)the defense is "adjusting" his game by taking away his strengths. Most coaches yank the kid, have a chat and let him soak on the bench for a period before putting him back in to see if he fixed 1) and 2) on his own. Good coaches have several plays, that have been previously practiced by all, to counter the defense the team is seeing and also to create situations that should open the player in the funk - call a play to get him an easy shot - those plays can cure mini-slumps by rebuilding confidence.
Now as to the "game" we endured the other night - you are correct - no one played well. A couple of things could have been in play (pun not intended).
Christmas break is probably the longest and toughest period on teams as a whole - their other classmates are all away from campus, no or little class work to fill the void space, and the only activity is hoop related.
Not the coaches fault BUT good coaches recognize this and make the effort to mitigate the doldrums (Fran and Margaret were experts at this). Don't know the kids or what they are doing but I do know they never appear to be happy/having fun/a close group - I do note behind the back pats on the backs of players who just got a face full of JP spittle.
The other thing that might have been a factor is lousy prep and lousy in-game coaching and we all know these are areas of historical weakness, at best, for this coach. When the whole team throws up a clunker I do lay it on the coach, all 100% of the blame. JP is always quick to throw the kids under the nearest bus and then beat his chest with his "that's on me" BS. We've never ever seen a "that's on me" correction.
If the entire playing group was rebelling and not following his "wishes" to get the ball inside - bench them all - we had five guys on the far end of the bench that just might have executed what he was "hoping" to get from the playing group. What does our coach do - he puts Degnan in and leaves Friday wishing it wasn't Friday. That was a clear message that Friday is getting his pink slip if he doesn't resign on his own! No way to defend not using a player who does the things that the coach wasn't seeing from his favorite front line.
He said he has to go back and watch the tape - he might save some of his precious time by actually watching the game as it proceeds. That game's outcome was all on him - no other way to cut it. Fill in the time saved by actually watching game tapes for upcoming games JP, you might actually develop some skill watching a game while not being in a search to find the SOB who wasn't doing his job. See what kind of a job your opponent is capable of and then use your staff to see if they might have some ideas to try....
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