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Post by rickyp on Jul 3, 2017 13:18:30 GMT -5
I think the young guys will step up they want the challenge and they have chips on there shoulders.Penn will be a older freshman because of prep year and he comes from winning programs Horn comes from winning also plus his work ethic and body is college ready just needs game experience like all the freshman.But they come in with a air of confidence and it seems like the returning players believe in them.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jul 3, 2017 13:30:53 GMT -5
To me, Shivers is the 2nd best player on the team. He does all the little things and will score a lot more this season. I want to see 10 or more minutes of going small with Shivers or Camper or Huerter at the 4 (giving a Horn, Nico, Penn backcourt a chance) unless Degnan is a revelation. The more and more I look the more I see Khalil Richard's role evaporating. Horn can do everything Richard does but is bigger and thus more versatile. I think he's the first guard off the bench. Smithen is a better defender than Richard, and Bentley might provide more for us too with his size and athleticism but he is a complete unknown. Correction: Shivers is the 2nd best 'returning' player on the team. The fact is though that the kid averaged just 4 pts for us last year while basically just scoring when opponents forgot he was even on the floor. Do I think there's more to him than what he did last year? Yes. Do I think he's super great and all powerful? No. Shivers was a bit wild in film I saw of him in HS. Last year, he played a more reserved game which I liked. He is not a guard you want handling the ball under intense pressure. And we don't really want Nico to be that guy until the ball gets over half court. Ideally, SG position really needs to be manned by Horn or Bentley in my eyes. It should only fall back to Shivers or others if they struggle. We need a true scorer/ballhandler in that position. Yeah, Clareth can score...but do we really want him gunning every time up the floor? That's probably a recipe for disaster. And you said it yourself. You're anxious to see a Penn, Horn, Nico backcourt. Why do you think that is? To me, Shivers doesn't excel at one thing, but he's a capable scorer, strong rebounder, solid defender, makes good decisions, gets loose balls, willing to do dirty work, etc. I see a 11 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3 apg, 1 spg type of season on the horizon. I know from people close to the team that they are expecting a big season from Shivers and are going to depend on him to score more. I think you make an excellent point about ball-handling, though. A ton of responsibility goes to Penn (assuming he's the PG) but Nico will have to step up as a ball handler. He has to be trusted to handle the ball and make good decisions. Nico's ability to handle the ball will be key to this team's success. He is going to have to drive more and be a true offensive superstar rather than just a shooter the way his did this past season.
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Post by rickyp on Jul 3, 2017 13:47:20 GMT -5
I believe if Nico really what's to impress the nba scouts he should be around 17pg 6reb 3asst shoot 50% plus from field and hang around 35%+ on 3pt shooting and getting to the free throw line 6+ a game attacking off the dribble finding open players or finishing.With the guards we have once times realize they can't pressure they won't plus how many teams actually pressure.The Louisville game will be a good measuring point they don't pressure for turnovers just for you too use clock
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:54:49 GMT -5
Correction: Shivers is the 2nd best 'returning' player on the team. The fact is though that the kid averaged just 4 pts for us last year while basically just scoring when opponents forgot he was even on the floor. Do I think there's more to him than what he did last year? Yes. Do I think he's super great and all powerful? No. Shivers was a bit wild in film I saw of him in HS. Last year, he played a more reserved game which I liked. He is not a guard you want handling the ball under intense pressure. And we don't really want Nico to be that guy until the ball gets over half court. Ideally, SG position really needs to be manned by Horn or Bentley in my eyes. It should only fall back to Shivers or others if they struggle. We need a true scorer/ballhandler in that position. Yeah, Clareth can score...but do we really want him gunning every time up the floor? That's probably a recipe for disaster. And you said it yourself. You're anxious to see a Penn, Horn, Nico backcourt. Why do you think that is? To me, Shivers doesn't excel at one thing, but he's a capable scorer, strong rebounder, solid defender, makes good decisions, gets loose balls, willing to do dirty work, etc. I see a 11 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3 apg, 1 spg type of season on the horizon. I know from people close to the team that they are expecting a big season from Shivers and are going to depend on him to score more. I think you make an excellent point about ball-handling, though. A ton of responsibility goes to Penn (assuming he's the PG) but Nico will have to step up as a ball handler. He has to be trusted to handle the ball and make good decisions. Nico's ability to handle the ball will be key to this team's success. He is going to have to drive more and be a true offensive superstar rather than just a shooter the way his did this past season. Remember, it's not just Wright that we're replacing...but also Lavon too. Lavon inbounded and helped bring the ball up the court. I'd rather have Nico play the SF and leak out ahead on the break for transition dunks. I don't want him dribbling thru traffic for 100 feet. I'd feel more confident in transition with Penn and another PG bringing the ball up together and letting Nico get out ahead and look for seams to receive the ball and score. If you run with 2 PGs, you're in a much better position to put defenses on their heels. We have 3 6-2+ PGs..enough height to be SGs. That is our primary advantage over other teams in my mind. Siena needs to use this to push the pace and win games on turnover margin. It's not likely Siena will win on rebounding margin and FG% anymore like they did the last 2 years.
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Post by rickyp on Jul 3, 2017 14:19:34 GMT -5
I agree with you can you imagine getting a rebound and having 2guards whocan start the break and then set the offense up while your main finisher can run the floor if he's not rebounding not too get ahead of myself but look how Golden state has multiple guys able to bring up the ball then shooters to spread you out just not comparing us to Golden State but we have options
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:33:49 GMT -5
Iona and probably SPU will probably be playing with 2 PG types on the floor at all times. FF's Nelson is like a 2nd PG.
There's no room for lollygagging this year. Go, go, go and stop the turnovers. We have a stable full of guards who can lead the break and not only create their own shot...but create for others. You have to use it. Shivers should probably play a good 20+ mpg...but I think 10 of those should be while Nico is resting on the bench...and maybe some of the rest should be at PF backing up Degnan....if not Camper.
AND if Shivers starts with Nico...and they go out at the same time..does that mean Siena goes super small off the bench? Why do that?
I know. It's easy to defer to the returnee and hyped 'unofficial 3rd captain' as the 2nd 'lock' starter but I feel guys like Horn and Bentley potentially both epitomize and legitimize the type of style Siena needs to play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 15:26:08 GMT -5
Iona and probably SPU will probably be playing with 2 PG types on the floor at all times. FF's Nelson is like a 2nd PG. There's no room for lollygagging this year. Go, go, go and stop the turnovers. We have a stable full of guards who can lead the break and not only create their own shot...but create for others. You have to use it. Shivers should probably play a good 20+ mpg...but I think 10 of those should be while Nico is resting on the bench...and maybe some of the rest should be at PF backing up Degnan....if not Camper. AND if Shivers starts with Nico...and they go out at the same time..does that mean Siena goes super small off the bench? Why do that? I know. It's easy to defer to the returnee and hyped 'unofficial 3rd captain' as the 2nd 'lock' starter but I feel guys like Horn and Bentley potentially both epitomize and legitimize the type of style Siena needs to play. The big question is can JP coach this style of play? We were promised running teams from day 1.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 3, 2017 17:23:22 GMT -5
Shivers makes a big jump this year. You guys will be pleasantly surprised. He is our 2nd best player right now, but you guys are too caught up in what he did last year with 4 seniors dominating the team, and ball. I can see him at the 4 sometimes with an Iona-like offense at times. Depending who the opponent is obviously. There's no real bigs in the MAAC that scafre me so we could get away with those 4 smalls and one big against most.
He plays 25-30 min a night for sure.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 3, 2017 17:48:00 GMT -5
This time of year is fun, isn't it? I've spent so much time in past off-seasons planning out how things would go for the Saints.
What I've learned is that there's no way to know what is coming until the season starts. And then, you don't really know what you have until conference play is in full swing. Don't even mention injuries/suspensions/transfers that seem inevitable.
I just try to keep my expectations in check which, in a rebuild year, shouldn't be too difficult.
I've also learned that you can't necessarily believe your eyes watching what happens in practice. One practice I saw in JP1 led me to believe that Maurice White was a standout (I still liked his hustle/defense, he just lost his ability to put the ball in the hoop).
Don't plan on learning anything from exhibition games, either (Fisher last year).
Like I said, I love this time of year! I'll enjoy reading all of the mental gymnastics on here, and try not to get too excited.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jul 5, 2017 6:56:41 GMT -5
Yes that is true way to early to discuss rotations but starting 5 for Canada not 1.Penn 2.Nico 3.Shivers 4.Degnan 5.Friday/Fisher but that could change also just my opinion and observation We are almost on the same page. I still dont see Penn beating out Richard IMOP. Also Smithen still has a shot as well. Plus the trip the team took with the seniors that just graduated did not have the same starting 5 for game one that started in Canada. These guys still have alot to prove esp the freshmen
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jul 9, 2017 20:18:22 GMT -5
According to an image on the First Love Christian Academy Basketball Twitter account, Christian Bentley has made it to campus. Looks like he's figured out whatever immigration issues there were. I'd assume Prince will be here in the coming days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:15:16 GMT -5
According to an image on the First Love Christian Academy Basketball Twitter account, Christian Bentley has made it to campus. Looks like he's figured out whatever immigration issues there were. I'd assume Prince will be here in the coming days. I'm really anxious to see what Bentley's got. I liked what I saw out of him when I've watched him in games and highlights. He seems to play under control. He seems quick, athletic, and able to create and adjust off the bounce. If I were watching guys like Richard, Shivers, Smithen and him play just visually and without regard to stats...I would say that he was the best player of the 4 of them because his physically abilities seem like the best combination of all of them. With that said, I have no idea what his stats look like and his real strengths are, how consistent of a shooter he will be, or how he'll adjust to D1. So, I'm really anxious to see what the kid's got.
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 10, 2017 22:55:36 GMT -5
According to an image on the First Love Christian Academy Basketball Twitter account, Christian Bentley has made it to campus. Looks like he's figured out whatever immigration issues there were. I'd assume Prince will be here in the coming days. I'm really anxious to see what Bentley's got. I liked what I saw out of him when I've watched him in games and highlights. He seems to play under control. He seems quick, athletic, and able to create and adjust off the bounce. If I were watching guys like Richard, Shivers, Smithen and him play just visually and without regard to stats...I would say that he was the best player of the 4 of them because his physically abilities seem like the best combination of all of them. With that said, I have no idea what his stats look like and his real strengths are, how consistent of a shooter he will be, or how he'll adjust to D1. So, I'm really anxious to see what the kid's got. We need 3 point shooting. If he can hit for over 40% and has any semblance of speed, I'll be happy.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jul 10, 2017 23:11:21 GMT -5
I'm really anxious to see what Bentley's got. I liked what I saw out of him when I've watched him in games and highlights. He seems to play under control. He seems quick, athletic, and able to create and adjust off the bounce. If I were watching guys like Richard, Shivers, Smithen and him play just visually and without regard to stats...I would say that he was the best player of the 4 of them because his physically abilities seem like the best combination of all of them. With that said, I have no idea what his stats look like and his real strengths are, how consistent of a shooter he will be, or how he'll adjust to D1. So, I'm really anxious to see what the kid's got. We need 3 point shooting. If he can hit for over 40% and has any semblance of speed, I'll be happy. I'm actually not at all concerned about our shooting. Penn and Horn are very good shooters, Nico inconsistent but can light it up, Degnan can stroke it, Richard might be the best shooter on the team but he may not play a ton. Even Shivers isn't as bad a shooter as some make him out to be. To me, we need either Kadeem or Bentley to establish themself off the bench as a guy who can defend and bring us energy off the bench.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 11, 2017 9:15:08 GMT -5
We need 3 point shooting. If he can hit for over 40% and has any semblance of speed, I'll be happy. I'm actually not at all concerned about our shooting. Penn and Horn are very good shooters, Nico inconsistent but can light it up, Degnan can stroke it, Richard might be the best shooter on the team but he may not play a ton. Even Shivers isn't as bad a shooter as some make him out to be. To me, we need either Kadeem or Bentley to establish themself off the bench as a guy who can defend and bring us energy off the bench. Shivers didnt miss a jumpshot yesterday. If it was your first time seeing the kids play, anyone would walk away thinking he's our best shooter. I'm praying practice results translate into game performance, and if it does, Shivers will blow all of you away.
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