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Post by saintsgrad on Feb 13, 2017 22:34:52 GMT -5
I don't post often, but this is a common theme whether you agree whether he should be fired or not. Siena can be very cheap, which is why I think they won't fire Patsos because of financial concerns. However, what is he costing them? McCaffery days put Siena's name out nationally which was priceless for marketing, especially with the money they spend on marketing high school students, tonight the attendance of 5700 against a top Monmouth team showed a drop in attendance and interest, season ticket holders are discussing dropping their tickets for next year, and a successful basketball program keeps alumni involved with their former school and generates donations. The list can go on, but the Siena administration has to look at not only the cost of a replacement coach, but the cost of keeping Patsos around as well.
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Post by marshotel on Feb 13, 2017 22:57:34 GMT -5
I don't get the obsession over the coach. I know the coach is the easiest and probably most foward facing person to attack but why continue to pile on this subject. The problem is with the program as a whole, it's not the coach. Firing the coach doesn't solve anything. Imo it's a 50/50 shot whether you get someone better or worse than what's in place now.
It's the program and hiring process that's broken. Lay off the coach the topic has been beat to death.
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Post by knicksaint on Feb 13, 2017 23:31:03 GMT -5
I don't know what it means in terms of Jimmy's future, but for the first time in several years, there has been no in-season "coaches enhancement fund" event. Furthermore the banquet, which has been stuffed between the end of the regular season and the MAAC tourney the last two or three years, has been returned to its traditional April date.
I also know there are some Trustees who are in favor of a change, but whether there are enough votes to accomplish it is an open question, since there appears to be a lack of knowledge of the buyout terms. If there is a decision to make a change, it may not be limited to the position of head coach. My point is simply that the dissatisfaction with where the program is and where it is headed is not limited to those who post here.
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Post by hooligan on Feb 13, 2017 23:35:17 GMT -5
D'arg should go to. This was his guy from the start.
D'arg is a good man but sometimes you just need a change. A new fresh set of eyes looking at things
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Post by MTS on Feb 13, 2017 23:36:18 GMT -5
Hope KS is right and that a change could happen. They need to retire D'Arg and fire Patsos. Clean sweep.
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Post by saintsgrad on Feb 13, 2017 23:51:17 GMT -5
I don't get the obsession over the coach. I know the coach is the easiest and probably most foward facing person to attack but why continue to pile on this subject. The problem is with the program as a whole, it's not the coach. Firing the coach doesn't solve anything. Imo it's a 50/50 shot whether you get someone better or worse than what's in place now. It's the program and hiring process that's broken. Lay off the coach the topic has been beat to death. I started this thread so that way the talk about his job security can be here instead of in threads about games and if you are sick of it you can avoid it better by not opening this thread. If this was a rebuilding year, I would feel the same way, but this was the year he was building for and we will probably finish with a losing season. Siena is the envy of many schools - the attention the program gets and the attendance at the games despite poor performance coaches notice. Going from coaching in front of 500 with no media coverage to 6000 with plenty and good TV deals is beneficial to their career. I bet plenty of coaches, good and bad, would love this job and see it as an upgrade in their career. |
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2017 6:05:11 GMT -5
Not sure if Jimmy will be let go at end of season, but it’s crystal clear Jimmy isn’t right man for Siena. He just can’t recruit at level needed to be a top MAAC program. Even if Siena goes another year with Jimmy, the inevitable will happen next season. In short the future is bleak as long as Jimmy Patsos is Siena’s head coach, he has to go - the sooner the better
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Post by brian on Feb 14, 2017 9:32:41 GMT -5
Lanier - 128 games 58-70 .453
Patsos - 130 games 64-66 .492
He should be toast.
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Post by gosaints on Feb 14, 2017 9:47:41 GMT -5
I don't get the obsession over the coach. I know the coach is the easiest and probably most foward facing person to attack but why continue to pile on this subject. The problem is with the program as a whole, it's not the coach. Firing the coach doesn't solve anything. Imo it's a 50/50 shot whether you get someone better or worse than what's in place now. It's the program and hiring process that's broken. Lay off the coach the topic has been beat to death. I agree the hiring process is broken and needs to be fixed because that's what allowed Pastos to be hired in the first place. I sincerely hope the program is still viable and with a new coach and possibly AD Siena can recover and get back to the top of the MAAC and stay there where it belongs. |
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Post by $cott on Feb 14, 2017 10:16:44 GMT -5
Jimmy should go but it should be for the Canisius game and the low level of recruiting, not for the Monmouth game. As embarrassing as losing by 20 at home is, there isn't much the coach can do when a player like Justin Robinson goes off like that. I still think if they win the last 3 home games and finish 12-8 that if you weren't ready to fire him after the Canisius game then he's done nothing wrong since then to get canned. Realistically though, assuming the buyout is at least two years you probably have to bring him back next year. Let's face it, the job is a lot more attractive to prospective candidates when they are replacing a coach that gets fired after going 4-16 in league than it does when you fire a coach that went 12-8 in league.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 14, 2017 10:23:46 GMT -5
Lanier - 128 games 58-70 .453 Patsos - 130 games 64-66 .492 He should be toast. as a reminder, that Lanier took Siena to the NCAA in his FIRST season (got a win vs. Alcorn St before losing to Maryland the eventual National Champ with Patsos on their staff),............ and then also in year 2 he got to the NIT, where they beat Villanova then W. Michigan before losing to UAB....... |
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Post by skipc on Feb 14, 2017 10:33:24 GMT -5
We can talk about it all we want but, for financial reasons, the likely of this occurring at least at this point is slim to none. Maybe a significant drop off in attendance/support next year might be a trigger.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 14, 2017 10:37:30 GMT -5
Lanier - 128 games 58-70 .453 Patsos - 130 games 64-66 .492 He should be toast. And Rob was way better recruiter and had 2 "N" tournament appearances with wins. Jimmy can't recruit and 0 "N" tournament appearances. Rob looks like Coach K compared to Patsos. Yup, he needs to go asap. |
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Post by gosaints on Feb 14, 2017 10:49:55 GMT -5
Jimmy should go but it should be for the Canisius game and the low level of recruiting, not for the Monmouth game. As embarrassing as losing by 20 at home is, there isn't much the coach can do when a player like Justin Robinson goes off like that. I still think if they win the last 3 home games and finish 12-8 that if you weren't ready to fire him after the Canisius game then he's done nothing wrong since then to get canned. Realistically though, assuming the buyout is at least two years you probably have to bring him back next year. Let's face it, the job is a lot more attractive to prospective candidates when they are replacing a coach that gets fired after going 4-16 in league than it does when you fire a coach that went 12-8 in league. Agree, at a minimum if the Siena admin had any balls, Jimmy should have been suspended for at least a game for his gross misconduct and eventual ejection from the Canisius game!!! I'm sorry but I thought Siena was a good "Catholic" college but for the Admin to allow Pastos to conduct himself the way he did and get away with it unscathed is disgraceful. |
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Post by greenblood on Feb 14, 2017 11:13:13 GMT -5
Lanier - 128 games 58-70 .453 Patsos - 130 games 64-66 .492 He should be toast. as a reminder, that Lanier the team took Siena to the NCAA in his FIRST season (got a win vs. Alcorn St before losing to Maryland the eventual National Champ with Patsos on their staff),............ and then also in year 2 he got to the NIT, where they beat Villanova then W. Michigan before losing to UAB....... he team took Siena to the NCAA in his FIRST season (got a win vs. Alcorn St before losing to Maryland the eventual National Champ with Patsos on their staff),............ and then also in year 2 he got to the NIT, where they beat Villanova then W. Michigan before losing to UAB...... |
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