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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 8:21:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know the process used to hire a new AD? I would think the major coaches might have a role? Not comfy thinking JP could be a player in hiring the person who might can him short term.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 8, 2017 8:27:09 GMT -5
There are many that agree with you Tony. I reserve judgement only because I'm not sure how much say D'Arg has on the final hire. I'm sure he has some say but I don't know if he makes the final call. Minimally I would guess that he puts together the list of candidates. I'm not sure if the school actively reaches out to candidates or just takes the resumes sent in. Since we don't know for sure it is all speculation but the last few go-rounds I don't feel like we've had the best list of candidates...considering what I think we should have. That said, I think the Robert Morris coach was hot a while back and has seemed to have cooled quite a bit, so you never know how things will turn out. All I know is that Xavier seems to be the one school that consistently gets it right. That's why I like Travis Steele so much
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 8, 2017 9:46:48 GMT -5
Nice upset win by Saints last night- doesn’t change the overall problem with current staff. He still cant recruit, has wicked highs and lows and is not a good leader. If Siena can’t buy out Jimmy after this year, maybe they should look at fire/ retire whatever Darg. Get a new AD in, and give him a year to get lay of the land before hiring new coach next year. Darg has done some good things with Siena, but he isn’t a BB man, the Saints will always be on rollercoaster with Darg as Athletic director coach. Let’s face it he hasn’t done a good job hiring coaches. We only get 9 hours to enjoy beating the best program in the league on the road ;(
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Post by sky on Feb 8, 2017 10:03:47 GMT -5
I wonder how many fans were really impressed with the list of candidates when Patsos was hired...I know that I wasn't...was the list comprised by Siena or was someone hired to make up the list...whoever did it should never be involved again...
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Post by poopsickle on Feb 8, 2017 10:19:59 GMT -5
I wonder how many fans were really impressed with the list of candidates when Patsos was hired...I know that I wasn't...was the list comprised by Siena or was someone hired to make up the list...whoever did it should never be involved again... I thought Andy Toole would have been a good hire. Past two years have been tough for RMU, but they lost their best player Marcquise Reed (transferred to Clemson) after the 20 win season. He averaged 15 ppg as a freshman and was NEC rookie of the year. Similar to when we lost McClinton back in the day. The guy is a good coach and think he could've had sustainable success at Siena. He at least has shown a knack for identifying talent.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 8, 2017 17:49:04 GMT -5
I wonder how many fans were really impressed with the list of candidates when Patsos was hired...I know that I wasn't...was the list comprised by Siena or was someone hired to make up the list...whoever did it should never be involved again... The list was a work of fiction. PATSOS had the job locked up per several sources.
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Post by Tony on Feb 9, 2017 6:17:33 GMT -5
There are many that agree with you Tony. I reserve judgement only because I'm not sure how much say D'Arg has on the final hire. I'm sure he has some say but I don't know if he makes the final call. Minimally I would guess that he puts together the list of candidates. I'm not sure if the school actively reaches out to candidates or just takes the resumes sent in. Since we don't know for sure it is all speculation but the last few go-rounds I don't feel like we've had the best list of candidates...considering what I think we should have. That said, I think the Robert Morris coach was hot a while back and has seemed to have cooled quite a bit, so you never know how things will turn out. All I know is that Xavier seems to be the one school that consistently gets it right. Glen you hear a lot of the Darg apologists saying Darg didn’t have input or limited input on this hire or that hires etc. Point is if he was a strong AD he would have input. Every time we get a new coach- the coach changes everything ( for better or worse) With a strong AD, you don’t see that changing- Has Xavier style of play changed in last 20 years, How about Butler? VCU, Western Kentucky, Heck even Vermont- they schedule, recruit and play the same. That’s why other successful mid majors are able to change coach’s multiple times and not skip a beat. A new coach might put a new wrinkle or two in, but for most part playing style, recruiting and scheduling doesn’t change. You can’t have wild swings the way Siena does. Heck Butler made a mistake with Brandon Miller and got rid of him after 1 losing season. Siena has a lot of built in advantages, and because of inconsistency in coaching hires has never been fully able to capitalize on those advantages
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Post by th24 on Feb 9, 2017 6:50:38 GMT -5
sienahoops + drama = BullSH-T 🤔🙄🙄 FYI-Jimmy's not going anywhere snowFLAKES!
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Post by mjs72 on Feb 9, 2017 7:42:11 GMT -5
There are many that agree with you Tony. I reserve judgement only because I'm not sure how much say D'Arg has on the final hire. I'm sure he has some say but I don't know if he makes the final call. Minimally I would guess that he puts together the list of candidates. I'm not sure if the school actively reaches out to candidates or just takes the resumes sent in. Since we don't know for sure it is all speculation but the last few go-rounds I don't feel like we've had the best list of candidates...considering what I think we should have. That said, I think the Robert Morris coach was hot a while back and has seemed to have cooled quite a bit, so you never know how things will turn out. All I know is that Xavier seems to be the one school that consistently gets it right. Glen you hear a lot of the Darg apologists saying Darg didn’t have input or limited input on this hire or that hires etc. Point is if he was a strong AD he would have input. Every time we get a new coach- the coach changes everything ( for better or worse) With a strong AD, you don’t see that changing- Has Xavier style of play changed in last 20 years, How about Butler? VCU, Western Kentucky, Heck even Vermont- they schedule, recruit and play the same. That’s why other successful mid majors are able to change coach’s multiple times and not skip a beat. A new coach might put a new wrinkle or two in, but for most part playing style, recruiting and scheduling doesn’t change. You can’t have wild swings the way Siena does. Heck Butler made a mistake with Brandon Miller and got rid of him after 1 losing season. Siena has a lot of built in advantages, and because of inconsistency in coaching hires has never been fully able to capitalize on those advantages Tony, D'Arg may have had a ton of input last time. But, like with most organizations, and all private sector businesses, the CEO ( Fr. Kevin) and the Board had the final say. And once the decision was made you support it. That doesn't make him an "ass-kisser" like someone posted a while ago. It makes him an employee. Pretty sure D'Arg is evaluated by the Admin and Board on more than just men's hoop. Unless he is walking away, I don't see our AD leaving.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 9, 2017 8:43:39 GMT -5
sienahoops + drama = BullSH-T 🤔🙄🙄 FYI-Jimmy's not going anywhere snowFLAKES! Yeah, no drama here in this program. Coaches revolving door on high speed, players getting hit in the ass with the revolving door on the way out, wasted scholarships to nail asses to bench, we don't need to watch film or prepare, don't have a 'style' of play, can't recruit players to fit our 'style', players don't buy in to our 'style' of play, players come out flat in front of huge mid major crowds at home multiple times each season, player suspensions, inappropriately timed Ts. What is not to love? Sustainable significance in a lower level mid major league like the MAAC is not complicated but we seem to avoid it at all costs. '
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Post by th24 on Feb 9, 2017 9:05:17 GMT -5
Yep, let's keep bashing the program after a GREAT win. 🙄🙄🙄 Maybe..some of you can go over to U Albany! And while you're at it..bend over for Will Brown!
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Post by siena95 on Feb 9, 2017 9:38:39 GMT -5
I wonder how many fans were really impressed with the list of candidates when Patsos was hired...I know that I wasn't...was the list comprised by Siena or was someone hired to make up the list...whoever did it should never be involved again... The list was a work of fiction. PATSOS had the job locked up per several sources. exactly, the list began and ended with JP. anything else was window dressing.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 9, 2017 9:41:44 GMT -5
sienahoops + drama = BullSH-T 🤔🙄🙄 FYI-Jimmy's not going anywhere snowFLAKES! what is the need to name call here? for someone on this board often enough, you don't seem to enjoy it at all... what do you expect here, a Stepford wives - "all is great"- vibe??
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Post by siena95 on Feb 9, 2017 9:44:42 GMT -5
Glen you hear a lot of the Darg apologists saying Darg didn’t have input or limited input on this hire or that hires etc. Point is if he was a strong AD he would have input. Every time we get a new coach- the coach changes everything ( for better or worse) With a strong AD, you don’t see that changing- Has Xavier style of play changed in last 20 years, How about Butler? VCU, Western Kentucky, Heck even Vermont- they schedule, recruit and play the same. That’s why other successful mid majors are able to change coach’s multiple times and not skip a beat. A new coach might put a new wrinkle or two in, but for most part playing style, recruiting and scheduling doesn’t change. You can’t have wild swings the way Siena does. Heck Butler made a mistake with Brandon Miller and got rid of him after 1 losing season. Siena has a lot of built in advantages, and because of inconsistency in coaching hires has never been fully able to capitalize on those advantages Tony, D'Arg may have had a ton of input last time. But, like with most organizations, and all private sector businesses, the CEO ( Fr. Kevin) and the Board had the final say. And once the decision was made you support it. That doesn't make him an "ass-kisser" like someone posted a while ago. It makes him an employee. Pretty sure D'Arg is evaluated by the Admin and Board on more than just men's hoop. Unless he is walking away, I don't see our AD leaving. I think the point is, in many instances if we had a strong-handed AD, he could steer the selection to his/programs vision... if he has done that, then he has done it poorly. If he hasn't done that or is unable too, he is an ineffective AD --- but sadly one siena wants, as they can keep a thumb on the department. If you have ever spoken w/ him, or seen him in action, you can see where he probably doesn't say ONE word in these meetings, he is a yes man, and the program has paid the price on and off for 20+ years.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 9, 2017 9:47:15 GMT -5
Yep, let's keep bashing the program after a GREAT win. 🙄🙄🙄 Maybe..some of you can go over to U Albany! And while you're at it..bend over for Will Brown! I wouldn't call this a "great" win, it was a good win, but the day beating a peer school you play twice a year, every year, is a "great" win, well that says all we need to know where the program is......
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